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As My Household Goes into its 2nd Yr. of NO Income, a Reminder: (Original Post) snot May 2014 OP
I like it Egnever May 2014 #1
Thx. snot May 2014 #41
+ 1 russspeakeasy May 2014 #2
For many middle-class Americans for many generations now, GOVERNMENT has been the real job creator. reformist2 May 2014 #3
and why shouldn't it be... handmade34 May 2014 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #22
employment often is NOT tied to somebody's profits hfojvt May 2014 #4
Exactly. snot May 2014 #7
If work provided by the government is so bad,.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #6
+++! snot May 2014 #8
Because the government pays them ridiculous prices for their services and goods oneofthe99 May 2014 #34
Too many of these companies treat the government like an ATM. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #35
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #9
RIGHT ON ... and right on ..... kr & nt ... MindMover May 2014 #10
Ain't it the truth! Demeter May 2014 #11
If it were up to me there would be a guaranteed government job for everyone. airplaneman May 2014 #12
K&R. JDPriestly May 2014 #13
There's inbetween-jobs work Android3.14 May 2014 #14
i am dazed that this can happen to people. two years. our country sucks.i dont know how you make it. roguevalley May 2014 #37
I & my spouse know a lot. snot May 2014 #42
Like I said, hang out a shingle Android3.14 May 2014 #47
Hand written or font? What font, if so? JJChambers May 2014 #15
So true McCamy Taylor May 2014 #16
K&R woo me with science May 2014 #17
Unfortunately, profits have become more important than people. livingonearth May 2014 #18
++++ n/t BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #21
You made my day with the reminder. truedelphi May 2014 #19
Wow. snot May 2014 #43
People want to work. Employers don't want to pay. Initech May 2014 #20
"As long as employment IS TIED TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROFITS" Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #23
Thanks! snot May 2014 #44
Great post samplegirl May 2014 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #25
enjoy what will, no doubt, be a short stay. niyad May 2014 #30
I've been unemployed since last year. harun May 2014 #31
you might try reading this for some obviously-needed information niyad May 2014 #32
... SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #33
It may not have been built by huge corporations n2doc May 2014 #26
Two years! rudolph the red May 2014 #27
And no unemployment benefits. snot May 2014 #39
Bring on the worker cooperative revolution baby! trublu992 May 2014 #28
Check! snot May 2014 #46
k and r niyad May 2014 #29
Des Moines IA has plenty of jobs 4dsc May 2014 #36
Hear, hear! The rush to unearned corporate riches has been responsible for probably a few dozen indepat May 2014 #38
K&R. Octafish May 2014 #40
Sorry.... sendero May 2014 #45

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
3. For many middle-class Americans for many generations now, GOVERNMENT has been the real job creator.
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:33 PM
May 2014

Pro-business types can go suck an egg.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
5. and why shouldn't it be...
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:47 PM
May 2014

government of and by the people supporting each other (providing work) making the world a better place to live

Response to reformist2 (Reply #3)

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
4. employment often is NOT tied to somebody's profits
Fri May 2, 2014, 11:45 PM
May 2014

many people work for cities, counties, school districts, states and the federal government - not of which are profit-making. Many work for water departments and libraries (in my town those are separate from the city and the county governments). Heck, some work for townships.

Some work for credit unions and co-ops and some work for businesses that get some money from the government. At my city job, I just ordered 40 cases of toilet paper from a local business.

But that need comes. from demand too, since we have customers who use our community center and our parks.

In theory, much of that work is decided by the local voters.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
6. If work provided by the government is so bad,....
Sat May 3, 2014, 12:16 AM
May 2014

.....than why do rich corporations compete with each other to get the contract?

 

oneofthe99

(712 posts)
34. Because the government pays them ridiculous prices for their services and goods
Sat May 3, 2014, 07:52 PM
May 2014

That's why firearm manufactures compete so zealously when the government
announces they want a new sniper rifle weapon system.

They sell them 500% more to the government than what they would be able to sell them in the retail market.



Case in point...............

Just look at the company that got the contract to build the affordable care network

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
12. If it were up to me there would be a guaranteed government job for everyone.
Sat May 3, 2014, 01:43 AM
May 2014

The government should provide tons of jobs for infrastructure.
I am also a big fan of government jobs as advocates for the disadvantaged.
Advocate jobs would include - helping the elderly so they can stay in their homes instead of nursing care, helping the homeless get to a better place, helping ex-convicts and veterans to re-adjust and re-integrate back into society, helping youth stay out of trouble. When you think about it governments job is to help solve our most intimate and complex problems.
-Airplane

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. K&R.
Sat May 3, 2014, 11:50 AM
May 2014

Nothing wrong with making a profit, but those who make the profits have to understand that a good portion of their profit has to go to providing an infrastructure that works for all and to making sure that all who want to work have jobs.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
14. There's inbetween-jobs work
Sat May 3, 2014, 12:15 PM
May 2014

Won't pay much, but I brought income in through this group, and I was able to work from home. I did some editing, SEO writing, presentation creation, that sort of thing. From the sign, it looks like you know how to use Publisher.
Freelance market eLance
It was a great help at times, and it kept me going.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
37. i am dazed that this can happen to people. two years. our country sucks.i dont know how you make it.
Sat May 3, 2014, 08:48 PM
May 2014

All my best wishes go to you and yours

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
47. Like I said, hang out a shingle
Sat May 10, 2014, 08:37 AM
May 2014

Sorry to hear about your savings. My last employer laid me off four years ago when unemployment was much worse, and I live in a region with unemployment far worse than the national average (northern Maine). I found work doing freelance jobs, writing SEO articles, that sort of thing. Started my own business, and my savings dried up too, but it lasted longer and we are finally make some moves at saving again.
My business isn't booming, but it is paying for itself and it is more satisfying than what I'd been doing by a long shot.
There is work out there, training and certifications, internships, career programs and such. People need someone to accomplish projects and will pay. I know the benefits are less than what we want, but there is work. It's better than nothing and keeps your professional network robust.

livingonearth

(728 posts)
18. Unfortunately, profits have become more important than people.
Sat May 3, 2014, 01:23 PM
May 2014

Making a profit is not inherently bad. However, when you do it by removing all the jobs and sending them to another country just for cheap labor it creates an imbalance that destroys the economy.

I was listening to some right wing- radio show the other day and the host was bemoaning the fact that China's economy was out performing ours. Well duh! American businesses have been moving their operations over to China for years, and then shipping their crap back here. Of course on right-wing radio they never blame businesses for doing anything wrong, so they blame it on Obama.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
19. You made my day with the reminder.
Sat May 3, 2014, 03:43 PM
May 2014

My rural community had 18% unemployment a few years ago. The percentage level of unemployment may have decreased, but many people's "new jobs" are not paying what the old jobs paid.

To get a job as your basic, blue collar grunt worker over at the local hydro plant, where you'd have a shot at making $ 15 an hour or more, you have to have a four year college degree, or else have survived a stint in today's army. (Translation: gone off to Iraq or Afghanistan and gotten through your tours of duty without being too physically or emotionally damaged, and able to hold down a job.)

Initech

(100,041 posts)
20. People want to work. Employers don't want to pay.
Sat May 3, 2014, 03:48 PM
May 2014

I seriously wonder how bad it's going to get before the revolution happens.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
23. "As long as employment IS TIED TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROFITS"
Sat May 3, 2014, 04:49 PM
May 2014

OH MY GOD, that is such an important phrase! Thank you for posting it. Your whole post is so awesome.

samplegirl

(11,464 posts)
24. Great post
Sat May 3, 2014, 06:10 PM
May 2014

2 years for us as well and both of us found jobs.................just settling for low wages for the rest of our lives!

Response to snot (Original post)

harun

(11,348 posts)
31. I've been unemployed since last year.
Sat May 3, 2014, 07:20 PM
May 2014

It is actually very difficult to get lesser paying jobs. When you apply for a job you list your previous employers. It is easy for them to call your previous employers and verify what you were making. If you were making more than what they want to pay you they figure you will not be happy there and quit. So it would be a waste of their time.

I'd happily take a big pay cut for a job. Tricky to get them to believe you will stick around though.

snot

(10,504 posts)
39. And no unemployment benefits.
Sun May 4, 2014, 12:35 PM
May 2014

I'd already retired when the economy tanked (taking 1/4 of our retirement savings with it), and I and my spouse have been freelance (so no unemployment benefits). My spouse's income held up for a while after the crash, but during the last 2 years, we've found only odd jobs here and there that don't add up to much. We've essentially been living off our savings.

We have tons of skills, and we're both trying new things; but there's a lot of competition from youngsters.

Thankfully, we've both worked all our lives and did manage to stay out of debt and save; but I'm not quite yet at, and my spouse is 10 years from a normal retirement age; and our lifestyle is MUCH reduced from what we expected, after 40 years of hard work, and would work/earn longer if we could . . . .

 

4dsc

(5,787 posts)
36. Des Moines IA has plenty of jobs
Sat May 3, 2014, 08:28 PM
May 2014

just saying. I don't know what you line of work is but this town is hopping right now.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
38. Hear, hear! The rush to unearned corporate riches has been responsible for probably a few dozen
Sat May 3, 2014, 09:41 PM
May 2014

million lost jobs or so: just think of all the mergers and acquisitions, and the countless downsizing that inevitably follows. After all, the bidness of America, some plutocrat said, is bidness

sendero

(28,552 posts)
45. Sorry....
Sat May 10, 2014, 07:50 AM
May 2014

..... we had 700 billion dollars to bail out criminals, but we don't have jack squat to put Americans to work.

Maybe you could move to India and get an H1-B to work here.

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