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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:44 PM May 2014

Calif. Assembly OKs ban on Confederate flag items in state agencies

Source: Sacramento Bee

California is a long way from the Confederacy, but the Assembly took an extra step on Monday to ensure the Civil War's losers can't be honored by government entities.

Under a bill that easily passed the Assembly on a 72-1 vote Monday, state government agencies would be prohibited from displaying or selling Confederate flag imagery. There would be an exception for books that offer "an educational or historical purpose."

... Assemblyman Isadore Hall, D-Los Angeles, unfurled his Assembly Bill 2444 after he said he came across Confederate currency in the State Capitol's basement gift shop. He said the Confederate flag remains a potent symbol of fear and discrimination.

... While agreeing that the flag represents a violent chapter in American history, Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, R-Twin Peaks, countered that Hall's bill infringes on freedom of speech.

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2014/05/south-rising-again-not-from-californias-public-buildings.html

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Calif. Assembly OKs ban on Confederate flag items in state agencies (Original Post) Newsjock May 2014 OP
White wing would grab their gunz in protest if proposed in South. Hoyt May 2014 #1
Rightwingers are all about racism and little else randys1 May 2014 #3
Suddenly the repub is worried about "infringes on freedom of speech" of state government agencies arcane1 May 2014 #2
Ok at least it was not my local nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #4
Why would confederate schwag be in California anyway? NightWatcher May 2014 #5
Lots of it in the San Joaquin Valley Xithras May 2014 #6
I had no idea, thanks NightWatcher May 2014 #8
Oh no. In fact, the San Joaquin Valley has long had the nickname "New Appalachia" Xithras May 2014 #10
Assholes come from all over Nevernose May 2014 #11
Well it is Donnelly complaining SwankyXomb May 2014 #7
was there even a problem in CA? Niceguy1 May 2014 #9

randys1

(16,286 posts)
3. Rightwingers are all about racism and little else
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:52 PM
May 2014

As I have said, every issue they have can be traced to their loss of the right to own slaves...

Well not every single one but just about..

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
4. Ok at least it was not my local
Mon May 5, 2014, 05:55 PM
May 2014

which would not have surprised me at all. He is Donnelly's brother from another mother.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. Why would confederate schwag be in California anyway?
Mon May 5, 2014, 06:00 PM
May 2014

I don't see too many reasons why the old Georgia flag would be flown on the west coast.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
6. Lots of it in the San Joaquin Valley
Mon May 5, 2014, 06:52 PM
May 2014

A nearly forgotten historical fact: The first major wave of American settlers to break the Valley into farms were southern refugees from the Civil War who chose to move west rather than rebuild their shattered communities.

The Great Depression also sent a lot of "Okies" to California. Many Oklahoman's culturally identify with the south, and they brought a lot of southern sympathies with them (lots of that in my own family).

And it's not as if California didn't already have strong pro-southern sentiments. In 1859 both houses of the California legislature signed a bill to split the state into two, and the governor signed it. If it had been approved by Congress, the modern day state of California would stop at the Tehachapis, and the territory south of it would have become the state of Colorado (the modern state of Colorado would presumably have a different name). Congress turned the request down because the potentially new state of "Colorado" was pro-southern and pro-slavery, and there weren't enough votes to add a new slave state to the union.

This is why Tracy California was home to a KKK Grand Dragon in the 1980's, and why Merced County had to operate under the same federal voting scrutiny as much of the South did, up until just a few years ago. There's a long history of "southern pride" and racism in this part of the state. It's not nearly as visible today as it was 20 years ago, but it's not entirely gone either.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
8. I had no idea, thanks
Mon May 5, 2014, 07:34 PM
May 2014

I'm from Georgia and had no idea that our craziness wasn't contained within the South.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
10. Oh no. In fact, the San Joaquin Valley has long had the nickname "New Appalachia"
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:06 PM
May 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Appalachia

The term today mostly refers to the abject poverty that some parts of the Valley live in, which can be directly compared to Appalachia at its worst, but the name came about because the region has also had a strong "Southern" streak for nearly as long as the state has existed. Since it was "southern" and dirt poor, the New Appalachia moniker worked.

The southern influences have faded over the past couple of decades, especially as Hispanics have become population majorities in many Valley counties and the older generations have died out or moved away, but there are still quite a few pockets and vestiges, and a lot of southern cultural influences remain. It's the only part of California where you can find restaurants that serve decent southern food

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
11. Assholes come from all over
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:19 PM
May 2014
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=CA

Their list includes lots of people, including skinheads, the KKK, general racists, and at least one neo-Confederate group.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
7. Well it is Donnelly complaining
Mon May 5, 2014, 06:59 PM
May 2014

Tell him it's actually replica pre-1848 Mexican-Californian money and watch him change his tune.


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