She's back...Monica Lewinsky Blames the Internet

[Jesus Malverde]

Former White House intern Monica Lewinsky, probably due to growing Clinton nostalgia in politics and on Tumblr, broke her silence with a personal essay for Vanity Fair this month. In it, she posits, "thanks to the Drudge Report, I was ... possibly the first person whose global humiliation was driven by the Internet."

The full essay will be available digitally on Thursday, but here are the highlights. Lewinsky, who is only 40 now, expresses regret: "I, myself, deeply regret what happened between me and President Clinton. Let me say it again: I. Myself. Deeply. Regret. What. Happened." She also says she's ready to move on: "It’s time to burn the beret and bury the blue dress." And she assures conspiracy theorists that the Clintons did not buy her silence up until now: "I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth."

Lewinsky also makes a point to note that her affair with President Clinton was consensual, and that he did not abuse her. The abuse she suffered was at the hands of the media, she says. Now, the Internet is a much more friendly place for Lewinsky, especially the teen Internet. As The Wire noted earlier this year, Lewinsky is a big part of the '90s nostalgia that permeates Tumblr and sites like Buzzfeed. Beyoncé put her in a song on her latest album.


http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/05/monica-lewinsky-blames-the-internet/361788/

[joeybee12]

1. Doesn't sound like blame...sounds like she understands

the beginning of internet insanity.

[PotatoChip]

3. +1

[etherealtruth]

80. You nailed it!

[MoonRiver]

4. Oh, please

don't we get enough of that crap from the Rethugs.

[Beacool]

6. You forgot this emoticon.

Some may thinks that you are being serious.

[DetlefK]

11. No true republican scotsman would ever forget the B-word!!!!!!!

[Nine]

7. Right. Nothing could help Hillary more...

...than dredging up Monica Lewinsky. Maybe Monica is in cahoots with the shoe thrower to help HRC.

[hlthe2b]

14. Take that stuff back to conservative world. You don't have to support Hillary, but stop with the

RW smears.

[Skinner]

17. I know you're joking. But I actually think this is probably good news for Hillary.

If Hillary Clinton does run for president, the republicans are going to try to make an issue out of the Lewinsky scandal. Depending on what Lewinsky says in this profile, and depending on the size of the media frenzy NOW, then we might be spared a much larger media frenzy LATER when Hillary decides to run for president.

Better to have the Lewinsky media frenzy now, rather than after Hillary gets the nomination. It could have something of a immunizing effect.

[hamsterjill]

25. My thoughts exactly.

Let this have it's moment in the media, and then let's move on.

[MADem]

26. I regard it as an inoculation, a vaccine, as well.

To any Lewinsky-dragging-up, this article is "Question asked and answered. Next?"

[mindwalker_i]

27. So you're saying it will all blow over?

[Capt. Obvious]

32. "I know you're joking"

4 members of the jury didn't know that.

Awful hide.

[tkmorris]

44. Seriously, what was that about?

And who the hell alerted on it? Come on up here and take a bow.

[penultimate]

54. DU is a tough crowd...

I bite my tongue (or finger, whatever) so often because I know if I don't people will take it at face value... I also refuse to use the sarcasm image, as I think that removes an important element or something.

[VanillaRhapsody]

5. This ninny thinks we have forgotten that she went to Washington with every intention

of doing what she did....she made the claim to her friends that she was going there to have sex with the President. I guess she thought she was Marilyn Monroe or something. Anyways....she was a grown woman at the time. Then even though as she notes here...it was a consensual relationship with no abuse whatsoever.....she reported it to that Republican operative lady....who then advised her to "save that blue dress with the evidence"...and she obliged....I do not feel sorry for her not one bit...

[Beacool]

9. Ahhh yes, the "presidential kneepads".

She was 22, at that age I knew better than to flash the elastic of my thong at the president. Keeping that dress was a huge mistake. I would have gotten rid of it, if for no other reason than to preserve my good name.

On the other hand, Bill should have know better too. He was older and had a lot more to lose.

Regardless, their fling was no one's business but his wife's. It didn't have to become a public embarrassment and harassment that led to a girl having a scarlet letter on her forehead and the impeachment of the president.

If there's a Hell, I hope that Linda Tripp ends there. I also hope she takes along Starr and everyone who pointed an accusatory finger at Bill while committing far worse peccadilloes of their own. Bunch of hypocritical bastards!!!!

[grasswire]

20. not true

Their fling made the President of the United States blackmailable.

That was the damage their fling did to all of us. Our president was blackmailable for a period of time. The Commander in Chief.

[NCTraveler]

22. "Their fling made the President of the United States blackmailable."

That is the whole point to me. The rest is between the adults involved. The reason you give is the same reason I support all members of office being caught in the situation being forced to leave office. I do not think officeholders need to be pure. I do think they cannot partake in actions that can be used as blackmail.

[VanillaRhapsody]

34. Oh My God....if WE didn't slut shame everyone who has sex outside of marriage...

they wouldn't BEEE blackmailable!

Think about what you just said. It sounds like a defense of "Don't ask...don't tell"

Perhaps Hillary didn't care WHAT he did with other women....some women do look the other way. Why is it any of our business AT ALL? Why should we even care....if WE didn't respond to the sexual allegations.....this would never have even issue! The only reason it is Blackmailable at all.....is OUR knee jerk response!

[NCTraveler]

36. Edit to remove response.

Would rather not respond to whatever you are saying. Think you may have responded to the wrong person. Defense of don't ask don't tell. lol.

[VanillaRhapsody]

38. didn't you say...

"That is the whole point to me."?

then yes it was for both of you actually...

[NCTraveler]

45. Please, continue to show the linkage between my comment and don't ask don't tell.

Show everyone how you go from what I wrote to that. You can't be serious. That being said, I would like for you do expand on your don't ask don't tell comment. Should be interesting just sitting back and watching the mental gymnastics. Please begin with your elaboration.

[VanillaRhapsody]

69. I explained myself quite well....

the point of DADT was supposedly so that you couldn't be blackmailed....it is actually harder to blackmail you for being openly Gay in the military without DADT...

THAT is the connection. But you knew that...

[NCTraveler]

108. I know that it is a leap of logic that can't truly be made in an honest manner.

If I don't think a politician should put themselves in a position to be blackmailed, then I support the premise behind don't ask don't tell. That is laughable at best. It would be like me saying you think politicians putting themselves in a position to be blackmailed is ok because you were against don't ask don't tell.

How many votes over the last couple of years were swayed because someone had dirt on a politician. We don't know until they are caught. Politicians votes should not be at the hands of someone with dirt on said politician. It should be at the politicians free will. None of that has to do with the premise behind don't ask don't tell as you are trying to claim. It is a smear tactic and laughable.

[VanillaRhapsody]

112. What leap?

there was no leap.....or smear....it is what it is.

[dsc]

98. actually that was pretty much the defense of Don't Ask Don't tell

that gay soldiers were open to blackmail and thus security risks.

[NCTraveler]

107. I just can't make the leap in logic.

I do see what you are saying, but don't think it pertains to anything I said. I never made any type of claim for legislation or policy. And I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would support a politician who puts himself in a position to be blackmailed. Doesn't really relate to the military and don't ask don't tell. At all. I simply don't give politicians a pass for putting themselves in that position.

[rocktivity]

28. I remember a reading story about two previous flings with older men

one of which resulted in an abortion.

When she announced she would be endorsing Jenny Craig, I said that the only thing she was qualified to endorse was sex therapy.


rocktivity

[Beacool]

35. Yes, I think that Monica had issues.

I hope that she has been able to resolve them. In high school in CA she had an affair with her drama teacher. He was a married man. She became as obsessed with him as she was with Bill. The guy moved to OR. She followed him and befriended his wife. She sometimes even babysat their children. A balanced person doesn't do that or keep a semen stained dress as a souvenir (yuck!!!).

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19980128&slug=2731172

[Whisp]

64. yep, crazy imbalanced jezebel traps helpless President.

and omg she has a Past, with sex involved in it!

[Beacool]

100. I see that they lifted your ban, what a pity.

Shoo, I have no time for your perpetual nonsense.

[Whisp]

109. I wonder how people who cry sexism at every opportunity

when it involves Hillary, (bring up Tuzla, the IWR, the 'obliterate' Iran, etc., etc., etc., and it magically becomes Sexism! ) but have no trouble dredging up Lewinsky's past sex life before the Clinton debacle like it was a rape trial?

I have to wonder how that gets justified in some minds.

[Whisp]

72. I don't expect you would mention Bill's affairs but hers are game for judgement?

Like there is something wrong with her for having Sex?

sounds like a freaking rape trial.

[Squinch]

110. Whoever sent you the memo saying that May is Abortion Shaming Month was fucking with you.

Because, see, liberals don't do that.

But you fell for it. Again. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4913140

Now tell us what a good feminist you are.

[rocktivity]

113. Good enough to point out when it's being done badly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4918041

And good enough to have a sense of gallows humor.


rocktivity

[Squinch]

116. You feel you get to decide whether someone has "done" their abortion "badly?" Are you somehow

sharing Monica Lewinski's uterus, that it has become any of your business at all?

And you think that pointing out when you think it was "done" badly makes you a good feminist? Do you get how asinine that is?

Do you even understand that it isn't up to you to be passing judgment on some stranger's reasons for getting an abortion?

[rocktivity]

117. Not their abortion, their feminism.

Would a good feminist have taken up with a married man old enough to be her father in the first place?


rocktivity

[Squinch]

119. A good feminist would know that it's not up to them to judge her sexual or fertility decisions.

Who the hell do you think you are, that you sit in judgment? Seriously, it's disgusting.

[rocktivity]

120. Monica has ASKED for judgement.

In my opinion, she didn't make her case.


rocktivity

[Squinch]

121. Oh. My. God. "She asked for it." Really? Do you hear yourself?

You are judgmental and ridiculous.

Carry on with your laughter at women who need to have abortions, and your judgment of the sexual and reproductive choices that other people make. You make yourself seem more and more like some Santorum fan-boy.

[rocktivity]

122. I guess I should have written, "IN HER WRITING OF THIS ARTICLE,

Monica has asked for judgement..."

If I was of the opinion that "she asked for it," I would have made a scathing reference to the lounging "boudoir" pose the article is illustrated with.


rocktivity

[Squinch]

123. Yes, I know that's what you meant.

And you just keep loading it on, don't you: "If I was of the opinion that "she asked for it," I would have a made scathing reference to the lounging "boudoir" pose the article is illustrated with."

I am thinking you don't even realize the troglodyte nature of your words.

[MADem]

33. She foolishly believed that Linda Tripp was her FRIEND.

That was her big mistake. Yeah, she was stupid as hell, but she was young--a lot of young adults are stupid. They say the brain isn't fully mature until age 26 or so--and she was young for her age!

Tripp worked doing official correspondence replies in the WH--a lot of boilerplate and autopen stuff, IIRC, but she was crabby, critical and unhelpful, so she got trundled off to the Pentagon to a Public Affairs job that involved scheduling DV base visits around the time her husband (if I remember he was an Army colonel, but my memory might be weak on that) was divorcing her. Tripp was bullshit about being shoved out of the WH gig, and bullshit about the divorce. Lewinsky, for her part, was (much later, after the "affair" or whatever it was--more like what the kids call 'hook ups' IMO) shuttled out of the White House ALSO to the Pentagon (which is where a lot of irritating people get stashed; it's not just State and Interior that get these people!). And, in a posting of monumentally unfortunate proportions, she, too was posted to PUBLIC AFFAIRS--she ended up being the Administrative Assistant (like a personal secretary, it's actually a pretty good gig) to Ken Bacon, a dinky looking guy who was quite bright, actually, who used to wear bow ties a lot. And Ken was Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs. So even though they worked on different floors, in different rings, both Tripp and Lewinsky worked in the same shop, for the same boss. And they both smoked. So they'd go out to Ground Zero (that's the center hole in the Pentagon--it had that name long before the planes going into the buildings in NYC) for a butt, and chat. That's how they found out they both "did time" at the WH and they had that as a point of familiarity. From there, the mess began.

Linda Tripp was mad at the world and she may have believed that Hillary Clinton was responsible for her downfall, because HRC, unlike other first ladies, had an office in the West Wing--it's the one Karl Rove took, I think (while it may not have been HRC, personally, who scuttled Tripp, she was a poor fit over there because she wanted to keep doing things the way the Bushes did it; first lesson when a new boss comes in is that you have to adjust to the new boss, the new boss does not adjust to you!). Tripp was a seething mess of hot resentment, and the unfortunate fact that the two women both worked at the White House, one as an employee, the other as an intern, and both ended up at Pentagon PAO, was very unfortunate for POTUS. Had one gone to State, or Interior, or Labor, or Education, instead of both of them going to Defense, to work for the same doggone ASD, it's entirely likely that they never would have met, and no one would have ever known about that Lewinsky scandal at all, or if they did, she'd have the cachet of a Jennifer Fitzgerald--a lot of rumor, but nothing specific.

[Dawson Leery]

46. +1,000,000

[Capt. Obvious]

8. I'm going to hold off until I hear from Linda Tripp

[truebrit71]

10. ROFLMAO!!!

[Jesus Malverde]

12. DUZY!..nt

[Beacool]

13. Wuuuaaahhaaahhhaaaaa!!!!!

[hlthe2b]

15. One of my favorites from John Goodman...

what a treasure (he) is.

[msanthrope]

16. One of the best SNL skits, evah! nt

[Brigid]

21. You win.

You.just.win.

[rocktivity]

30. You're welcome

https://screen.yahoo.com/linda-tripp-monica-lewinsky-cold-000000087.html

https://screen.yahoo.com/lewinsky-tripp-phone-chat-000000908.html


rocktivity

[Gidney N Cloyd]

42. Have a Bartles and James, on me!

[TeeYiYi]

43. You sure that's not John Goodman? ..nt

TYY

On edit: Nevermind. It IS John Goodman. Oops.

[Boomerproud]

18. CNN just had a piece on this with Suzaaane Malveaux saying there was a "lot of hand wringing"

in the media about what to report. I have a different memory-between January 1998 and January 1999 absolutely nothing else happened in the universe except L'Affaire Lewinsky. I hissed "Bullshit!" at the screen. I'm trying to calm down now-thanks for letting me rant.

[rocktivity]

19. She regrets what "happened" (not what she did), confirms it was consensual

but STILL doesn't understand why she was humiliated?


rocktivity

[Brigid]

23. Young people have done foolish things all throughout history.

It's in the job description. It's just that these days, it ends up all over the internet, starting about that time, like Monica said. But young people are also allowed to wise up. Monica is right -- it's long past time for the beret and the blue dress to be left behind.

[magical thyme]

52. well, there's doing foolish things with your boyfriend and doing foolish things with the President

of the US.

She made her bed. If she wants the beret and blue dress left behind, then she should stfu and quietly get on with her life. I haven't thought about Monica in many years...until this moment.

[Brigid]

55. True.

I hadn't thought of her in a long time either. But I just think dredging up this stuff from two presidential administrations ago is a waste of time.

[Whisp]

65. and how foolish is a President to be involved in that?

yeh, I know, give the guy a break, what's he to do when a young woman offers sex - why it would be Wrong to refuse!

[magical thyme]

68. phenomenally foolish. but what does that have to do with her crawling out from under a rock

to tell us it's time to move on? I moved on long ago. I didn't need the reminder.

I guess this is what we can look forward to for the next 2 years. 6-10 years if Hillary runs and is elected. is right.

[Whisp]

71. crawling out from under a rock?

when Bill has been blessed with the sunshine of forgiveness, SHE is the one that is something ugly that crawls out from under a rock?

feh.

[magical thyme]

73. I don't bless Bill with sunshine of forgiveness.

and personally I really don't want Hillary to run. Bill is just one of many, many reasons.

I wish they and their $100mill or so would just go away.

[Whisp]

76. at least we can agree on that. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

115. "foolish" implies "unplanned"

It didn't "just happen"... it was her reason to go to DC.

Saving the dress didn't "just happen" and it's lame to say that she did it only because Tripp said so.

The whole reason that Gore chose Leiberman as VP was Monica.

[lumberjack_jeff]

114. It's frustrating to watch everyone buy into her hypoagency. n/t

[NCTraveler]

24. Dear Monica,

You were a young woman in a very challenging spot. I hold no ill will toward you and support what you are doing here. I truly hope that most of your days are filled with smiles. I blame you and fault you for nothing. For what happened I think you have overall done well. I hope that this essay will in some way help you. If it doesn't, I hope it in no way hurts you further. Young women make mistakes. Old men make mistakes. I am sorry that yours is one you cannot escape. So much is now thought of just at the mention of your name. I wish that was not the case.

Sincerely,

Someone who knows there is so much more to you.

[misterhighwasted]

29. Barf!

She wasn't naieve or stupid & she acted alongside her friend Linda Tripp. She saved the dress. I feel NO pity for her. She was inthe D.C. political loop..She was 24 NOT 18.

CNN has already asked the burning question as to how this will affect Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign. Jeb Bush's poll numbers need a bump.
Dredge up a well orchestrated blow job from the past to somehow hang it around Hillary's neck. Like Benghazi.

Good timing Mz Lewinsky.
What was the real price you were paid to make this newsworthy as another corrupt Bush takes his place in the Bush Presidential Us monarchy?

[NCTraveler]

31. Barf as you will.

I hold nothing against her.

"What was the real price you were paid to make this newsworthy as another corrupt Bush takes his place in the Bush Presidential Us monarchy?"

That makes absolutely no sense. I am sure it will up your cred.

[misterhighwasted]

39. Up My Cred??? I don't need to.

Mz Lewinsky and her BFF Linda Tripp were both financially compensated by those who wanted Pres Clinton out of the Whitehouse.

We will never know just how well. Lewinsky went after Mr President. She got the notoriety she was seeking. The thrill. The money. Whatever it was.
Bill Clinton ran against George HW Bush in that election. He was an underdog & Bush was sure to sail to another 4 years. The New World Order had been set in motion & other plans Bush had in mind for this Nation. What they didn't count on was the immense popularity of Mr Bill Clinton & the spoiler Ross Perot.
Clinton's nomination stirred the Bush backers into a freakin frenzy & what emerged is the GOP nasty game that we see being played today.
In a nutshell.

Much more went on during that time. Groups from the Southern GOP hated Bill Clinton for disrupting the Bush 8 year plan for this country.
And from that election many changes came about that we fight against today. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, the Supreme Court & Money in politics. GW Bush's theft of the election with Al Gore.

The New World Order was interrupted by a very popular Bill Clinton.
They've worked REALLY hard to make sure that never happens again.

Lewinsky remains part of that. The timing of her media blitz says as much.

Thanks
misterhighwasted

[NCTraveler]

48. Wow. Very interesting.

Wrong, but interesting. Facts seem to counter your opinion. Hmmmmm

[Le Taz Hot]

78. And another new one shows up

to blindly support a Clinton. We seem to have a spate of these guys on DU all of a sudden. Well, I suppose it's never too early to start a campaign, is it?

[misterhighwasted]

85. Oh Please!! Another "one" shows up.. Hey los the condescending attempt to stand taller than the rest

of us on this site.
My goodness by the sound of yourself I may think you are intentionally baiting people. Demeaning responses to fellow posters is not within DU Rules is it?
Seriously, me being "another new one" must mean to you that my opinion is somehow worth far less than yours.

I am free to post on DU.

[MADem]

37. Linda Tripp was never her "friend." Linda Tripp used her to act out her own

anger at being shitcanned from the gig she had at the WH. See post 33 upthread.

ML was told she'd do jail time if she didn't testify--she was between a rock and a hard place. Her mistake was trusting Tripp and being too chatty.

If she hadn't been a smoker, if she hadn't been stashed at the Pentagon, at Public Affairs, perhaps none of this would have been revealed. But such is life...

[misterhighwasted]

40. Very well. You have your opinion. I have mine.

Our conversation can end here then.
Thanks

[MADem]

41. Well, I was there, and I was aware of a lot of what went on before the story "broke" in the

media, so it's not an opinion I hold, it's informed commentary.

Off you go, then!

[misterhighwasted]

50. Well I too was there. Guess we have a difference of opinion here & that's fine with me.

I'm not arguing your opinion.
There was far more at play in those days than just a bj in the oval office.
Yes I too was a very active part of politics in the Clinton Presidency.
I am not defending Mr Clinton. BUT I will never buy the poor Monica story of a young girl with stars in her eyes.
I do know there was more to it that simply that.

Salon had some outstanding statements on this scenario at the time. Before DU.

I was there also.
I stand behind every word I have said.
However, I do appreciate your opinion & what you contribute to this topic.
Enough said

[MADem]

59. You were at the Pentagon?

On the Hill?

At the WH?

Again--it's not an opinion, but have a nice day.

[Marrah_G]

57. Come on, she was 18

Most of the blame is not on her and none of it is on Hillary. Big Dawg fucked up (pun intended) and screwed up two women's lives in the process.

[TBF]

83. I think she was in her early 20s -

which is common for Washington (a lot of young folks - I worked there right out of college along with many others on the Hill and in the law firms). But I agree that Bill was in a position of power and he was the older adult who should have known better when all is said and done (although I'd also add adults make mistakes - I don't think he deserved to be impeached). At any rate I think this may actually backfire on the repugs though. They are obviously dragging it out (and I'm sure $$$ is coming from somewhere to pay Monica for interviews) with the intent of hurting Hillary and I'm not sure it will work. She handled the entire situation admirably and I think engendered quite a lot of sympathy for having a louse of a husband. So many women have been in her shoes ...

[Beacool]

101. She was 22, I don't excuse either one of them.

Particularly, since she was the pursuer and had already had an affair with a married man while in high school.

I'm a woman too and I knew perfectly well at that age that it was not right to go out with a married man (I had my fair share of married guys going after me). I also had enough self respect and dignity not to play the role of "other woman" to some horny guy.

One has to develop one's own moral code, hers appears to have been pretty low. That doesn't mean that I excuse Bill's behavior, he sure as hell should have known better. My point is that she was not his victim.

[Whisp]

49. Thank you. Very nicely said, and fair! n/t

[Whisp]

47. Why should she be shamed and Bill not?

really, this bugs the living crap out of me.

Especially from people who deem themselves feminists and scorn her and let Bill off. Where is the fairness and equality? Bill is running around as charming and popular as ever and she is still the dirty sex joke.

gawd.

[NCTraveler]

51. Not to grown ups.

"and she is still the dirty sex joke"

[misterhighwasted]

53. And so is Bill Clinton. Why else would CNN be hanging this around Hillary's neck if it wasn't so.

Bill & Monica will always be the dirty sex joke.
Who benefits from it being so timely dredged up as Jeb Bush emerges as the contender.
The GOP will stick whatever they can on Hillary Clinton. Benghazi & Monica. Timing is everything.

[NCTraveler]

56. Please show me where...

"Jeb Bush emerges as the contender"? Your statements to me are making less and less sense. Whisp made a comment and I backed them up on it. Please tone it down if you are going to keep replying to me.

[pa28]

67. This bugs the hell out of me too.

Everybody loves Bill, nobody blames him and Monica Lewinsky is consigned to infamy for the rest of her life.

Not fair.

[Whisp]

70. now there are posts about her previous sexual involvements

but that person won't mention Bill's previous, of course.

It's like a damned rape trial.

[3catwoman3]

58. It's a pretty photo. However...

...if I wished to present myself as all grown up and hoping to be taken seriously, I would probably not choose to be photographed reclining on a red velvet couch, wearing what looks rather like a wedding dress, and beaming what could be regarded as a somewhat seductive-looking smile at the camera.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

60. It wasn't what they did but the pathetic CYA coverup that was troublesome.

"I didn't have sex with that woman." He could have, at least, used her name.

[tammywammy]

66. He did use her name:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

[misterhighwasted]

61. Sickening Ms Lewinsky claims Victim Status.

The only real victims in that whole disgusting ordeal were the two people neither Bill NOR Monica regarded.
Young Chelsea and Hillary Clinton. Wife & daughter.
Neither had a moral compass and Monica's claim to humiliation by everyone but her own actions falls flat.

Wife & daughter, Hillary & Chelsea were the only victims of humiliation. Monica & Bill were the cause.
Freakin disgusting that she now comes forward with her poor me innocent claim of victim of humiliation.

That's a lie.
Grow up and own the humiliation you laid on the shoulders of Hillary & Chelsea Clinton so easily, with no regard for them.
How dare Monica now claim familiarity with Tyler Clementi. He did nothing to deserve humiliation.
Neither did Chelsea & Hillary.

[Whisp]

75. The President is who is at fault.

He is the one to blame for Hillary and Chelsea's heartache. Not Monica.
He cheated and lied and lied and lied for months. Plus he had other affairs.

But sure, blame the girllllll. Those evil succubuses can just Make men do crazy things - it's not their fault! o gawd.

[distantearlywarning]

82. They're both at fault

Bill didn't make Monica do what she did either. She made her own choices, she participated in something sleazy and dishonest, and it screwed up her life. Self-inflicted misery.

[Whisp]

92. and Clinton isn't sleazy and dishonest as well?

please.

This topic sure does show that baby, no you have not come a long way at all. Same double standards from since forever. Bill struttin' around like a peacock and Monica humiliated and shamed by the 1950s mind set.

barf time!

[distantearlywarning]

94. Yes, of course he is.

Any married man who breaks their vows and humiliates their wife and child in public is gross and immoral.

[TBF]

62. Impeccable timing on her part -

the Vanity Fair articles comes out the same month as Hillary's new book. What a coincidence ...

[misterhighwasted]

63. Monica will be there to humiliate & victimize Hillary & Chelsea once again.

Monica has no moral compass & doesn't give a shit about Hillary, Chelsea nor Tyler Clementi.

[Whisp]

77. and where was Bill's moral compass - in his pants?

But let us just blame the vile and evil woman.

keep talking, you are amusing me to no end!

[distantearlywarning]

89. It's not an either-or situation

We can hold Bill accountable AND blame Monica too.

[libodem]

79. I'm afraid so

Wonder how long before Whitewater and and the Rose Law firm fracas enters the fray. If Hillary chooses public life our less than worthy opponents will be filling the mud flinging buckets. She is a threat. She has them scared.

I would like to keep her protected and safe from harm but we will all be present for any and all embarrassing shameful hurtful ugly mean dirty political shenanigans.

I'm not one bit surprised to see this as a welcoming for the first grandchild.

[JI7]

74. i remember she was selling some ugly bags

it looks like she is doing well now. i think these days when most people think of the lewinsky scandal they mostly think of how bad the republicans are and wasting time on that .

especially because they were claiming things like attacks on al qaeda was clinton attempting to cover up the lewinsky crap.

we have gone through something so horrible that this just seems like nothing . in fact they were actually considered happeier times before the horrible 9/11 attacks.

[ancianita]

81. So fuckin' what? Is this supposed to get our eye off the 2014 - 2016 GOTV ball?

Let's not get blowjobbed by a tired, stale pillowdrama.

[RainDog]

84. Feminists Don't Slut Shame

anyone here who does, you have NO STANDING to talk about feminist issues when you demonstrate such misogyny.

[Marrah_G]

86. yup

[RainDog]

90. So, was Bill Clinton also a slut?

[distantearlywarning]

91. You bet.

Bill Clinton is a slut. He wrecked his presidency because he couldn't keep it in his pants. He humiliated his wife and daughter, and Hillary now still has to deal with this stupid BS 16 years later. What he did was vile, immoral, and disgusting.

[RainDog]

93. You have no idea what Bill and Hillary's relationship was about

He had had an affair with Gennifer Flowers in the past... and who knows how many others, before and after. For all you know, they had an agreement - or not, I don't know - but honestly - is it really any of your business? Clinton should've just said to the world, "It's none of your business." Because it wasn't.

Was MLK also a slut? (Ralph Abernathy confirmed the FBI rumors, fwiw.)

Was JFK a slut? What about Jackie Onassis?

Were they all vile, disgusting and immoral too?

Are you religious, per chance? You know that one about casting the first stone?

[distantearlywarning]

95. Anybody who breaks their wedding vows,

Lies and cheats on their partner - yes, that's immoral, vile, slutty behavior.

[Beacool]

104. Actually, all of them were precisely that.

Why should women be the only ones carrying the burden of being called sluts? All these men caused plenty of pain in their marriages.

[Beacool]

103. Pretty much so.

I like the Big Dawg, but I don't excuse his selfish behavior that caused pain to his wife and daughter. Aside from the sheer stupidity of doing what he did while in the WH.

[Beacool]

102. No, but neither should she get a pass for her own actions.

She was no naïve girl being taken advantage by an older man. She knew perfectly well what she was doing, just as I did at 22. She pursued the president and got her trophy. In life we all have to assume responsibility for our own actions.

That does not mean that I excuse Bill for his behavior. I think that he behaved like a total selfish ass.

[trueblue2007]

87. MONICA YOU ARE A SLOB. Shut up.

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU except yourself.

[misterhighwasted]

97. Yes. A fitting title for a disgusting human being.

Monica Lewinsky you are no Tyler Clementi.

[MisterP]

99. it's actually quite intriguing to interpret her as the first trolling victim

something like that can follow one for decades (as it has)

[LadyHawkAZ]

105. An amazing number of people in this thread

have apparently never in their lives made a poor choice of partner. I never would have thunk it.

[In_The_Wind]

106. It's easy to throw stones when nobody knows who is really throwing the stones.

[sofa king]

111. Just one shot in the poop fusilade.

Republicans will be trying very, very hard to resurrect the millions of dollars' worth of insult and denigration that they invested in Mrs. Clinton in the 1990s, pitched by modern-day has-beens Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge.

But resurrection is exactly what they're going to need since Republican policies have killed off and impoverished a huge proportion of the fools who bought those slurs back in the 1990s.

Just watch, and note the increase in volume and tenor over time. It will be amusing watching Fox news play to an empty theater.

[UTUSN]

118. My jig is up!1 n/t