Do you know what Boko Haram means?

[AngryAmish]

According to wikipedia it means Western Education is sinful.

They do not believe in educating girls because it offends their culture and is sinful - condemning the girls to hell. They think by kidnapping these girls they are saving their souls. Plus they can make a few bucks selling them.

They think western culture is sinful. And one of the many ways of cuktural imperialism is education of women.

Also seehttp://m.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2014/0506/Boko-Haram-doesn-t-really-mean-Western-education-is-a-sin

[shenmue]

1. I wonder what they think it'll do to their society...

when half the population faces violent suffering and deprivation.

[hobbit709]

2. When your religion considers women 3rd-class citizens, they don't care.

[AngryAmish]

6. It is a feature, not a bug.

[Blue_Tires]

9. It will actually make them that much easier to control

which is the whole point, sadly...

[angstlessk]

3. For the longest time I tought it was a rock band????

[Skip Intro]

10. Procol Harum is a rock band.

Band name

In April 1967, Brooker began working as a singer-songwriter and formed Procol Harum with non-Paramounts Keith Reid (poet), Hammond organist Matthew Fisher, guitarist Ray Royer and bassist David Knights.[4] Guy Stevens, their original manager, named the band after a friend's Burmese cat.[5] The cat's Cat Fancy name was Procul Harun, Procul being the breeder's prefix.[6]

In the absence of a definitive origin, the name attracted various interpretations,[7] being said to be Latin for "beyond these things" (but the correct Latin translation of "beyond these things" is Procul His[8]), or translated as "of these far off things", the genitive plural harum perhaps agreeing with an understood rerum, "things".[9] The name of the band is frequently misspelled; often with Procul, Harem, both, or other variations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procol_Harum

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

35. Snort!

*chuckle*

[Go Vols]

39. lol

[Cali_Democrat]

4. So they're pretty much like the teabaggers. nt

[seveneyes]

5. Similar to the Taliban

I don't know for a fact what the Koran really says, but some assholes try to use it to subjugate and control women and to validate their killing of people that don't follow their views.

[wandy]

8. Don't know for a fact what the bible says, but some would also use god to........

subjugate and control women.

When a listener asked whether conservatives are winning or losing “our culture,” Factor replied that “we’re losing because government has grown so big and government has built up people’s dependency” to the extent that “they put aside their values” and “they even put aside God.” -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024917075

[Louisiana1976]

7. I understand they want to sell the girls into marriage for $12 apiece.

[Scuba]

11. I'm sure Ariel Castro would support their religious freedom. Me, not so much.

[951-Riverside]

12. Re: "They think by kidnapping these girls they are saving their souls."

They don't actually believe that or they wouldn't be raping these girls and selling them off into sex slavery.

They are nothing more than a group of sick pedophiles using religion as an excuse to do unspeakable things to children.

[longship]

13. What one does in the name of religion IS religion.

One does not get to slide out of accountability with the claim to the contrary. That would be the No True Scotsman fallacy and is rejected.

[pnwmom]

17. Wrong. One does not get to pretend an informal fallacy is a fallacy and thus

claim to have superior logic on your side.

No True Scotsman is an informal fallacy -- according to your own source.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

No true Scotsman is an informal fallacy, an ad hoc attempt to retain an unreasoned assertion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy

"An informal fallacy is an argument whose stated premises fail to support its proposed conclusion. The problem with an informal fallacy often stems from a flaw in reasoning that renders the conclusion unpersuasive. In contrast to a formal fallacy of deduction, the error is not merely a flaw in logic."

[longship]

20. Oh dear.

Of course it is a fallacy, which is why it is termed so. Now, if one wants to make a rhetorical argument out of it, I don't know what to say.

The fact of the matter is that these girls were abducted by fundementalist Islamic folks because they were receiving -- HORRORS! -- education.

At that point my argument is done.

Now one can claim that they were not really true Islamic folk -- No True Scotsman -- but that's what they are claiming.

That's why my argument is so simple. What one claims is in the name of religion must stand as part of that religion. There is certainly not much outrage in the Muslim world about it. They are apparently too busy outlawing homosexuality, and stoning women for adultery for having the audacity for getting raped by their relatives.

But by all means, please proceed. I will listen. But I reserve the right to not take rhetoric arguments seriously when the data is so compelling. After all, these bad guys are not hiding their motives. They are doing it because of their religion. That's what they say.

But surely they are just lying. They cannot be true religionists (Scotsmen).

QED

[pnwmom]

21. An "informal fallacy" is not a logical fallacy or a fallacy at all, except in the

mind of the speaker. And this isn't a matter of rhetoric; it's a matter of logic.

With regard to the leaders of the Boko Haram, I believe they are garden-variety sociopaths hiding behind the mask of religion. They take advantage of the religious beliefs of their followers, but they put themselves before any God.

[Bluenorthwest]

29. And what of the Christians in Nigeria and Uganda who are also hunting humans?

Bishops of the Roman Catholic Church are calling for blood in the streets and the elimination of gay people in the name of their, your, faith. Francis, beloved by DU's faith community, stands by in silence, counting his money and tacitly endorsing this pogrom. Are they all sociopaths? Because they say 'we do this because of God'.
Some of us have been warning you all for months. Did you care about the people in Nigeria or Uganda? No, the concern was for the public image of a religion and a cleric. Excuses were offered, rationalizations for genocide and for treating other humans like property.


Bishops who are direct subordinates to Francis are calling for parents to turn their gay children in to the authorities to be put in prison for life. Anyone who can excuse that is a monster.

[LanternWaste]

36. Much as what one does in the name of politics is politics?

Much as what one does in the name of politics is politics? I drink a beer in the name of politics, therefore politics is beer (both being wholly imaginary constructs and all)...

[etherealtruth]

14. Edited subject line. Arabic characters do not post well :-(

حَرَام (haram) refers to anything forbidden by Allah ... I kinda think kidnapping young girls and selling them into sexual servitude is حَرَام

[okaawhatever]

15. +100 nt

[pnwmom]

16. I don't think they are really guided by any religious belief. I think that's all a front

for their hate and will to power.

They killed 59 school boys in February. It's not just boys, by the way.

[Blue_Tires]

34. They are...The stated goal of BH

is to overthrow the Christian-majority government in the south, force out the other Christians (Nigeria is a 50-50 population split between Christians and Muslims) and make the entire nation a one-religion state under Sharia...

[pnwmom]

37. Their stated goal, in other words, is to take control of the whole country.

And they will use any means they can.

The murderous psychopaths leading this organization are motivated by hate and the will to power. Religion is just their means for controlling and manipulating gullible and/or frightened followers.

[Hekate]

18. When I listened to the vid of their "leader" I couldn't get over how much like Cliven Bundy...

...he sounded. It was bizarre to note, but they both conveyed the same inarticulate, mush-mouthed, mouth-breathing, ill-informed rage at the rest of the world that is not like them.

My heart goes out to those girls -- they are (or were) the pride of their families, who sacrificed a lot to send them to that school, and they are (or were) the hope of their country for a brighter future. They have been sold into slavery: call it what you will, whether concubinage or marriage or prostitution, but it is sex-slavery at its core, and in a culture that fetishizes female chastity, even if they are rescued alive they will be marked women.

[ancianita]

30. A Nigerian student of mine told our class that it costs $12,000/yr to be schooled there. So, yes,

these families have made great sacrifices for their daughters.

[Hekate]

32. Families like that should be honored, not have their hearts torn out. nt

[Xithras]

19. Boko Haram isn't just against educating girls. They oppose educating ANYBODY.

They believe that western education of ANY kind is a sin, for anyone. They've slaughtered plenty of schoolboys to make that same point, and not all that long ago burned down an entire dorm full of boys who were at school. They've raided both boys and girls schools, shot kids in buses, raided colleges and executed everyone they saw, etc.

But Boko Haram goes way beyond that. They believe that ANY KIND of interaction with the western world is forbidden. They oppose the Muslim government in Nigeria because it uses a government style invented in the west (Presidential Republic). They oppose all education. They oppose western technology. They don't even like other Muslims.

In many ways, they're far worse than the Taliban. The Taliban wanted a fundamentalist sharia government, but they also wanted to spread Islam, fostered their international connections, and believed that western tools could be adapted to their purposes. The Taliban also didn't oppose education, but simply wanted access limited.

Boko Haram is like an ultra-xenophobic, racist version of the Taliban that simply wants everything that is NOT "them" to be eradicated.

[elias49]

23. Nice summation. Thanks you. nt

[A HERETIC I AM]

24. Nuke em from orbit.

Seriously.

Rescue the girls then wipe them the fuck offa the planet.

They have no business sharing this globe with the rest of us who want to live in the future.

Hopefully Judge Roy Moore will elect to vacation in their neck of the woods when this happens. He is a lot like them.

[greytdemocrat]

22. They are scum. nt

[Ron Obvious]

25. I know what haram means

But I've never understood how Boko could mean "Western Education". Some acronym, perhaps?

[MADem]

27. Click the link at the thread starting post--it'll take you through the rationale. nt

[CJCRANE]

31. I always assumed "Boko" = Book = Book learning.

I always assumed it's a word from an African dialect or local form of English.

[nilesobek]

26. I can only hope President Obama

has this group lined up for special drone treatment.

[Skip Intro]

28. Seems to mean mass murder, rape, torture, and terror attacks. n/t

[NuclearDem]

33. From what I understand, "we are despicable fucking human beings"

[csziggy]

38. They may make that choice for their own children

But to kidnap other people's children is IMO worse than sinful.

And how under any religious rationale is selling girls into slavery - likely sexual slavery - less sinful than educating them?

Religious fundamentalists should all be consigned to hell on earth. Fuck them and fuck whatever religious entity they claim to believe in.