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big_dog

(4,144 posts)
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:43 PM May 2014

Tucker Carlson: Women Who Pay for Men’s Dinners Are ‘Disgusting’

Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday asserted that men were not living up to their “manly responsibility” by letting women pay for dinner and by not participating in activities like hunting. British TV host Bear Grylls opined at a recent luncheon for his new adventure reality show that manliness was in crisis because the modern man was relying on technology instead of “your spear, your brains, your resourcefulness, your courage.”

“I think this is real,” Carlson agreed on Tuesday’s edition of Fox News. “Part of it is somebody told boys when they were little, ‘Be sensitive, be thoughtful.’ And some of that’s fine, too much of it makes you pretty unattractive to women. And this is one of the reasons, because it suggests weakness.” “I blame it on the feminist movement,” Fox News host Katie Pavlich remarked. “Because the feminist movement for decades has told men not to embraces their manliness, that is part of the patriarchy of our society. And that being a man is a bad thing. And that you should downgrade your manliness. And saying ‘man up’ is not acceptable because manning up is not based on gender.”

“They have all these things where they take the man part out of being a man,” she added. “And then we wonder why men don’t act like men anymore.” Carlson argued that men did not necessarily need to hunt and fish to be masculine. “Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted. “And I don’t care. The new norms are — he shouldn’t allow it. Period.”

Co-host Sandra Smith pointed out that men could show respect for women “and not assume that he’s the macho man” who needs to pay for dinner.“He should be the macho man,” Carlson shot back. “He ought to have respect for himself. Are you kidding? Let a girl pay? What are you joking?” n recent days, Fox News has aired multiple segments suggesting that “female breadwinners” could be a “problem.” “Isn’t there some sort of biological, innate need for me to be the caveman?” host Clayton Morris wondered over the weekend. “Go out and bring home the dinner. Is it emasculating if we don’t do it?”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/06/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-women-who-pay-for-mens-dinners-are-disgusting/

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Tucker Carlson: Women Who Pay for Men’s Dinners Are ‘Disgusting’ (Original Post) big_dog May 2014 OP
Tucker couldnt get laid in a woman's prison with a hundred pardons randys1 May 2014 #1
OMG theHandpuppet May 2014 #10
DUzy! DUzy! Brigid May 2014 #25
LMFAO! Aerows May 2014 #35
Bah! Dorian Gray May 2014 #45
With all the issues we have today yeoman6987 May 2014 #54
OMG, I'm on the dern floor, laughing.... Nay May 2014 #57
I thought it was "Fist full of pardons" ? A HERETIC I AM May 2014 #59
you are right kind sir randys1 May 2014 #60
I thought it was "he couldn't get laid in a monkey bordello with a case of bananas" Major Nikon May 2014 #114
Yanno....at this point I'm just gonna go with.... A HERETIC I AM May 2014 #116
Twatwaddle!!! OMG!!!! calimary May 2014 #142
Yup. One of the great TV takedowns in modern history. A HERETIC I AM May 2014 #143
You are so right! Stargazer09 May 2014 #91
Badda bing! valerief May 2014 #118
Hell, I'd let a woman cover the bill all day, every day... Blue_Tires May 2014 #2
I'm with you. Eleanors38 May 2014 #30
Poor little Richie Rich malaise May 2014 #3
I'm pretty sure Tucker thinks all women are disgusting. Scuba May 2014 #4
Well this woman thinks Fucker is disgusting malaise May 2014 #26
Yes, he does Stargazer09 May 2014 #92
Why do I get the feeling that he'd liberalhistorian May 2014 #5
Indeed, it's sad to see female hosts playing along with this crap. arcane1 May 2014 #9
It's Fox News. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #21
Small blessings, I'll take them! arcane1 May 2014 #52
Tucker's prowess at spear-hunting makes him a magnet for the ladies arcane1 May 2014 #6
hey *ucker: your face is disgusting as is your shoddy Daily Caller thing nt alp227 May 2014 #7
rest easy, Tuck. I know many women who wouldn't ever buy you dinner. PeaceNikki May 2014 #8
... Richardo May 2014 #78
Oh dearie me, I am incredibly disgusting to Tucker Carlson LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #11
Yep. Wait Wut May 2014 #13
You're sure you're not mourning the lost opportunity? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #24
. LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #28
he's sexy and he knows it! :) big_dog May 2014 #86
Aw, geez. Wait Wut May 2014 #12
I wish my wife awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #134
Oh, bullshit. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #14
If your manliness is threaten by a dinner check... I think you've got other issues Johonny May 2014 #15
Tucker wouldn't know manliness if it hit him upside the head quinnox May 2014 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #17
Now there's a face badly in need of a fist! smirkymonkey May 2014 #49
The Germans have a word for that. Backpfeifengesicht. name not needed May 2014 #58
see also "Saunauntensitzer" waddirum May 2014 #110
THIS is our latent spear hunter? bwahh haa haa haa n/t Sheepshank May 2014 #90
No, he ditched it after Crossfire finally went belly-up JHB May 2014 #125
Yeah, Tucker's at the top of men's lists of who they should listen to about their responsibilities. ancianita May 2014 #18
Said the guy with the bow tie Android3.14 May 2014 #19
Tucker's 4 kids: Lillie, Hopie, Dorothy, and Buckley. What has he taught THEM? CurtEastPoint May 2014 #20
So Are Most Guys Who Wear Bowties... WillyT May 2014 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #27
True Dat !!! WillyT May 2014 #40
Hey, Bow Ties are cool! TDale313 May 2014 #44
So are fezzes... pokerfan May 2014 #87
Not from me Cartoonist May 2014 #72
Just jelly because NO ONE would pay for his! ebbie15644 May 2014 #23
So when was the last time Fucker Carlson went hunting? muntrv May 2014 #29
With his posse of brokers, He hunted down some tax exempt municipal bonds the other day Warren DeMontague May 2014 #31
He's still around? fishwax May 2014 #32
Allow? Chellee May 2014 #33
Oh I get it...... Sheepshank May 2014 #93
Exactly Stargazer09 May 2014 #94
I personally would never "let" anyone pay on the second date Reter May 2014 #115
My husband paid my way through University after our children were grown. With my first…. Tikki May 2014 #34
So IOW, Tucker is disgusted by progress. Rex May 2014 #36
Best DU thread title ever shenmue May 2014 #37
Wow. Dude's got issues. (nt) stone space May 2014 #38
So... dgauss May 2014 #39
Bow-Tie Boy doesn't ever have to worry The Velveteen Ocelot May 2014 #41
What a crappy life these people must lead having to spew this b.s. daily for their paychecks. SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #42
I think he actually does believe it Stargazer09 May 2014 #95
It's emasculating Shankapotomus May 2014 #43
Tucker Carlson is a woman-hating idiot. TDale313 May 2014 #46
Trading paying for things is less awkward than splitting the check. alphafemale May 2014 #47
So, is anyone really surprised by GP6971 May 2014 #48
Tuckie TieBow's the Tim Tebow of washed-up correspondents Blue Owl May 2014 #50
Poor baby can't get any woman to warm his bottle. appleannie1 May 2014 #51
Tucker... sendero May 2014 #53
I don't think Tucker realizes that most men can't Ilsa May 2014 #55
Tucker is an idiot Gothmog May 2014 #56
Nothing is more disgusting than Tucker "The Sucker" Carlson... Hubert Flottz May 2014 #61
Carlson didn't call any woman disgusting Jemon May 2014 #62
Agree...it looks like pipi_k May 2014 #64
I guess reading comprehension is no longer taught in schools. dilby May 2014 #65
Yeah, even though the article pipi_k May 2014 #71
true Enrique May 2014 #66
The title assumes no one will read the article.... JohnnyRingo May 2014 #131
Bear '10 minutes from my hotel, better drink my pee' Gryllis. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #63
He had blueberry pancakes at a hotel during filming. chrisa May 2014 #98
What? Even his mother wouldn't eat with him? Fearless May 2014 #67
Women: Tucker Carlson is disgusting n/t PasadenaTrudy May 2014 #68
"Manliness", IMO, is the root cause of violence and oppression. ronnie624 May 2014 #69
Maybe it's just me, even though I'm not much of a OldHippieChick May 2014 #70
And Yet the Cheap Bastard would probably yuiyoshida May 2014 #73
Something tells me... NCTraveler May 2014 #74
Will I live long enough to see the day... americannightmare May 2014 #75
Carlson is pleasing his base riverbendviewgal May 2014 #76
nothing screams manly man d_b May 2014 #77
You mean Bear Grylls the faker..? truebrit71 May 2014 #79
+ 1 and thanks for the laughs. russspeakeasy May 2014 #103
"...relying on technology instead of “your spear, your brains, your resourcefulness, your courage.” yellowcanine May 2014 #80
Tucker being such a "manly man" of course. yellowcanine May 2014 #81
He can say that. Turbineguy May 2014 #82
Poor Tucker. What a loser. Shrike47 May 2014 #83
Tucker is an idiot Gothmog May 2014 #84
He's been married since 1991. What does he know about dating? Shrike47 May 2014 #85
He asks his wife when she comes back from going out on one. Ikonoklast May 2014 #121
Fuck you, Tucker Carlson. Iggo May 2014 #88
Yah, the neanderthal is in full decline Sheepshank May 2014 #89
Tucker Carlson: ‘Disgusting’ They_Live May 2014 #96
Yea Doctor Loveless May 2014 #97
Thing is... Tucker always comes across a major coward/wimp. Helen Borg May 2014 #99
Maybe because a woman's never wanted to pay for his dinner. Avalux May 2014 #100
Does Tucker not know that the world has moved on in the past few years? Swede Atlanta May 2014 #101
I guess that is why Tucker has friends that own brothels PumpkinAle May 2014 #102
Yeah, Tucker's an expert on being macho. tanyev May 2014 #104
no woman ever offered to pay for his dinner. lululu May 2014 #105
Trying to compensate for a tiny Dick is a pointless exercise PeoViejo May 2014 #106
I picture Tucker sitting alone at a table waiting for a date that never shows. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #107
Trust Fund He-Man. Ikonoklast May 2014 #108
Has that little Tucker ever been hunting? I kinda doubt it. Thor_MN May 2014 #109
I'm guessing that he hasn't been on a date in a long time! Initech May 2014 #111
Let's expand on that Tucker Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2014 #112
Tucker Carlson...... JPK May 2014 #113
little fucker tucker demtenjeep May 2014 #117
I don't know who he is but he is disgusting! Jasana May 2014 #119
I wonder if Carlson's man cave has a billiard table? mackerel May 2014 #120
I remember years ago.... davidn3600 May 2014 #122
A woman once paid for my dinner at Olive Garden. edbermac May 2014 #123
For a number of reasons, my wife is in charge of our family finances. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2014 #124
He better not lose his job HockeyMom May 2014 #126
Carlson is a pathetic dickbag. blackspade May 2014 #127
I would call such women charitable. burnsei sensei May 2014 #128
He's always got his buddy Tal Fartgag Blue Owl May 2014 #129
Carlson didn't say any women are "disgusting". JohnnyRingo May 2014 #130
That sort of thing pipi_k May 2014 #133
I think it capitalizes on the fact that people don't read. JohnnyRingo May 2014 #141
People want to be entertained, not informed Jemon May 2014 #135
That's how news travels now in the internet age IronLionZion May 2014 #144
I see the greasy hunters everyday nilesobek May 2014 #132
I'll admit it, I don't rely on my spear nxylas May 2014 #136
Oh, blow it out of your lower oriface, BOWTIE BOY! elzenmahn May 2014 #137
A MAN letting a GIRL pay for dinner? wtf. No, there is no innate need to be the caveman uppityperson May 2014 #138
How many dinners has your Mommy bought you, F...Tucker? savannah43 May 2014 #139
That's hysterical!! lunatica May 2014 #140
I think such women are strong, independent, and confident. IronLionZion May 2014 #145
Tucker Carlson TNNurse May 2014 #146
So Why Doesn't Bear Grylls Face a Lion with a Spear? Come On Bear - Show Us Your Stuff stuartsdesk1 May 2014 #147
Oh, this is classic! Back in my day... classof56 May 2014 #148
While it is easy to make fun of Carlson... SoonerShankle May 2014 #149
He just overflows with conservatism damnedifIknow May 2014 #150
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
54. With all the issues we have today
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:28 PM
May 2014

This is what upsets Tucker? Goodness. If he put energy into making America the best it can be, we all might be better off. What a waste of stress to worry about something so innocent. I have paid for woman's meals millions of times and I have had my meals paid by woman millions of times. What is the big deal?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
59. I thought it was "Fist full of pardons" ?
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:36 AM
May 2014

Either way, spot on!

I love it when a kid in a bow tie tells me how to be a man!

Jesus. I'm ten years and exactly ten days older than that twatwaddle.

What a horses ass he is and has been ever since he first started screwing up television.

calimary

(81,192 posts)
142. Twatwaddle!!! OMG!!!!
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:19 PM
May 2014

SCORE!!!!!!

We refer to him as Little tucker carlson. Is he shaving yet? When I first saw this story, I thought - "and we should pay attention to anything little tucker carlson says because... ... ... ... ... ?

Love reading the comments here, though! He's never really recovered from the job Jon Stewart did on him when he was on CNN. "C'mon. Be funny!" And Paul Begala just sat back and let little tucker bow-tie fry himself in his own skillet. GOD that was WUNNNNNderful!!!!!!


A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
143. Yup. One of the great TV takedowns in modern history.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:29 PM
May 2014

I'd love to see it happen again. I'm betting that is the reason twatwaddle hasn't been within 25 blocks of Stewart in the last almost 10 years!

Yikes! Yeah...I just looked that up! Stewarts appearance on Crossfire was in October of 2004.

malaise

(268,877 posts)
3. Poor little Richie Rich
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:48 PM
May 2014

He was forced to abandon the bow tie after Jon Stewart tore him a new one.
Lil Fucker Carlson has been living off free lunches all his blasted life.

malaise

(268,877 posts)
26. Well this woman thinks Fucker is disgusting
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:11 PM
May 2014

I seriously dislike that nauseating entitled ReTHUG scumbag.

liberalhistorian

(20,815 posts)
5. Why do I get the feeling that he'd
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:49 PM
May 2014

then call women who don't pay for their dinners "lazy freeloaders who just want to be taken care of" or some such shit? You just can't win with misogynists. And yet there are plenty of women who are misogynists themselves and make life difficult for other women. Sigh.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
13. Yep.
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:56 PM
May 2014

I'd say 99.9% of the women on DU are disgusting to ol' Tuck. Pretty damned sure the feeling is mutual.

Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
12. Aw, geez.
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:55 PM
May 2014

WTF is wrong with those people over there? I can guarantee, as a somewhat intelligent, independent and very married woman, that I have never questioned a man's 'manliness' because he let me pay for dinner. Crap.

Hey, guys? A woman that thinks you're not man enough because she makes more money than you, or any of the crap that this asshat and minions mentioned, isn't worth the breath to speak her name. Find better.

Love,
Your DU Matron of the Day

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
14. Oh, bullshit.
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:56 PM
May 2014

And I say that as a female. It's bullshit and sexist as hell to believe that the man should ALWAYS pay. I always liked to split the evening. You pay for the dinner, I'll pay to get into the movie theater. Or if I was broke (often the case), I love to cook and would be happy to reciprocate a night out for dinner he paid for with a nice, home-cooked meal. That way the financial burden is never on one person. Besides, I always HATED the macho nacho type. Give me a nice, regular, working-class guy any day.

Johonny

(20,828 posts)
15. If your manliness is threaten by a dinner check... I think you've got other issues
Tue May 6, 2014, 07:58 PM
May 2014

men secure in who they are don't need fake acts of stupidity to feel like a man. Tucker is just projecting who he is... not that we didn't know who he is already. For the record, who falls for Bear Grylls tired act anymore besides Tucker?

Response to big_dog (Original post)

waddirum

(979 posts)
110. see also "Saunauntensitzer"
Wed May 7, 2014, 09:21 PM
May 2014

Saunauntensitzer: One who sits on the lower bench in the sauna, because he/she can not take the heat of the upper bench.

JHB

(37,158 posts)
125. No, he ditched it after Crossfire finally went belly-up
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:58 AM
May 2014

But your point stands: the present call for male chest-thumping comes from a guy whose gained prominence by being "the one with the bowtie."

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
19. Said the guy with the bow tie
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:02 PM
May 2014

Tucker opining on machismo is like Ronald McDonald providing advice on child nutrition.

CurtEastPoint

(18,636 posts)
20. Tucker's 4 kids: Lillie, Hopie, Dorothy, and Buckley. What has he taught THEM?
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:05 PM
May 2014

And, BTW, Tucker.... great names. Snort. Buckley? Jeez, the kid'll have a complex. Of course, his name is Tucker.

Response to WillyT (Reply #22)

Cartoonist

(7,314 posts)
72. Not from me
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

I don't get bow ties. I think they immediately say "clueless nerd" in flashing neon. I respect Bill Nye and Paul Simon, but not their choice of neck wear.

Chellee

(2,092 posts)
33. Allow?
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:18 PM
May 2014

“Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” he insisted. “And I don’t care. The new norms are — he shouldn’t allow it. Period.”

You intend to tell a woman what you will ALLOW her to do?

Oh good luck with that.




 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
115. I personally would never "let" anyone pay on the second date
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:25 PM
May 2014

I don't judge others like he's doing (although I have my own opinions), but it I have had many women argue with me. Unless they somehow get to the waiter first, I always will pay, and never expect anything. Even if I feel she thinks I'm a boring nerd, I'll still pay.

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
34. My husband paid my way through University after our children were grown. With my first….
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:20 PM
May 2014

paycheck, after returning to work, I bought him dinner at his restaurant of choice.

It was an amazing feeling.

People like this tucker guy will never know what it is like to be in a loving, respectful partnership with a woman.
I actually pity that person.



Tikki

shenmue

(38,506 posts)
37. Best DU thread title ever
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:23 PM
May 2014

was this one: (sorry for the all-caps but the original was that way):

'TUCKER CARLSON GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU SCUMBAG.'

dgauss

(882 posts)
39. So...
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:29 PM
May 2014

Republicans push policies for decades that lower middle class wages and increase the need for two wage earner households and
Carlson is complaining that the dynamics of "Men are the breadwinners" has changed? He and his party should take at least a little credit for that.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,659 posts)
41. Bow-Tie Boy doesn't ever have to worry
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:31 PM
May 2014

that I might offer to buy him dinner.

I suspect he's compensating for the fact that he spent most of high school getting wedgies and swirlies and being stuffed into his locker.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
42. What a crappy life these people must lead having to spew this b.s. daily for their paychecks.
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:31 PM
May 2014

They cant possibly believe this crap.

Spew hate and discontent for a paycheck......now that's disgusting!

 

alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
47. Trading paying for things is less awkward than splitting the check.
Tue May 6, 2014, 08:54 PM
May 2014

Who would want to date a freak with a mentality from 1950?

These people are sad and bizarre.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
53. Tucker...
Tue May 6, 2014, 09:58 PM
May 2014

.... couldn't make his woman reach her helter/skelter on his best day. Best to ignore any advice he might have on the subject.

bow tie boy don't cut it.

Ilsa

(61,692 posts)
55. I don't think Tucker realizes that most men can't
Tue May 6, 2014, 10:44 PM
May 2014

Afford to hunt. Hunting leases, equipment, travel, licenses, etc all add up. It can be an expensive hobby if you don't live near a hunting area. There are states where hunting on public lands is not permitted.

 

Jemon

(49 posts)
62. Carlson didn't call any woman disgusting
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:09 AM
May 2014

You spun the quote. Re-read and see if you can state what he called disgusting.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
64. Agree...it looks like
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:09 AM
May 2014

Tucker called the act of men allowing women to pay disgusting, not the women themselves.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
65. I guess reading comprehension is no longer taught in schools.
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:12 AM
May 2014

I don't even want to get involved with this, I dislike Tucker but it's not what he said and for people to just bob their heads without actually reading amazes me.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
71. Yeah, even though the article
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:58 AM
May 2014

bore that title, the content is quite different.

Either people didn't actually read the article, or they did, and still want to believe the worst about him.

Like you, I dislike Tucker Carlson immensely, but there's no reason for intelligent people to put words in his mouth he never actually said.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
66. true
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:19 AM
May 2014

it was Raw Story that spun the quote. Unnecessary spin as well. There's plenty to say about what Tucker actually said, I guess Raw Story felt they needed to juice it up.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
131. The title assumes no one will read the article....
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:56 AM
May 2014

...and as usual, that assumption is correct.

The original Salon article could even be termed slander. It was meant to raise the ire and clicks of feminists and others who scan for headlines that offend.

Thanx for being reasonable in a sea of knee jerk outrage.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
63. Bear '10 minutes from my hotel, better drink my pee' Gryllis.
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:14 AM
May 2014

I don't care what he did in the military, that man is a fucking fraud.

If my son turned out like him, I'd be ashamed.

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
98. He had blueberry pancakes at a hotel during filming.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:22 PM
May 2014

His show, while entertaining, was obviously fake and had terrible advice.

ronnie624

(5,764 posts)
69. "Manliness", IMO, is the root cause of violence and oppression.
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:48 AM
May 2014

It seems to me, that the institution of patriarchy has always been the foundation for underpinning militarism. It's no coincidence that societies where women play no role in the social process, with no security and no say in how things are, are always the most violent and brutal.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
70. Maybe it's just me, even though I'm not much of a
Wed May 7, 2014, 11:55 AM
May 2014

conspiracy buff, but this all fits in to the recent Hillary-hate: Benghazi, Monica and feminists. Sarah Palin saying that Hillary will become more pro-life once she is a grandmother. They just can't seem to find enough angles to hate on Hillary and they end up dissing all females, especially those w/ a brain. They are so busy being anti-this and anti-that and full of hate. Please, please let voters see thru their fear-mongering and realize there is no substance to the fear and loathing.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
73. And Yet the Cheap Bastard would probably
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:00 PM
May 2014

accept dinner at McDonald's from any lady friend. Hmmm....I wonder if he hated his Mother for buying him Shoes for School?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
74. Something tells me...
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:04 PM
May 2014

Something tells me that after Tucker pays for the meal he feels he is "owed". Asshole.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
75. Will I live long enough to see the day...
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:55 PM
May 2014

when we no longer hear this crapola from the media and so-called leaders? Yet another reason not to watch television...

riverbendviewgal

(4,252 posts)
76. Carlson is pleasing his base
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:57 PM
May 2014

old people with ideas set in the 40s and 50s...FOX Is OLD NEWS full of old wives tales and myths

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
79. You mean Bear Grylls the faker..?
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:09 PM
May 2014


I cannot imagine how manly one would have to be to survive in that sort of situation...



Oh and Fucker Carlson is just pissed because he can't get women to go to dinner with him even if he PAID them...

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
80. "...relying on technology instead of “your spear, your brains, your resourcefulness, your courage.”
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:19 PM
May 2014

Yeah right, and how many hunters are using spears? Even the ones using bows are using high tech compound bows. And of course there is nothing low tech about a modern hunting rifle.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
89. Yah, the neanderthal is in full decline
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:09 PM
May 2014

and no amount of wishing brut force makes the XY members of the population the top of any food/relevancy chain, will work. Women no longer need a hyper-surge of testoterone-y yahoos to live and enjoy life and choose a partner. There are more subtle personality issues that have evolved as the game changer for getting married, laid, or even acknowledged.

idiot.

They_Live

(3,231 posts)
96. Tucker Carlson: ‘Disgusting’
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:40 PM
May 2014

I decided to shorten the headline, in the interest of saving space (and time).

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
100. Maybe because a woman's never wanted to pay for his dinner.
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:30 PM
May 2014

Sorry Tucker, I never would, nor would I agree to dinner in the first place.

The stuff they're selling on Faux News is really disturbing.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
101. Does Tucker not know that the world has moved on in the past few years?
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

Does he not know that women outnumber and outperform men in secondary education and that law schools are turning out more women lawyers than men?

I only point that out because there are many heterosexual households where the woman earns more, and in some cases significantly more, than the man.

There are some households that, for a variety of reasons, decide to have the man either leave the workforce to stay home and raise the children while they are young and take care of the home or work reduced hours to provide more time for nurture and care.

I doubt that the women in those households would agree that their male mates are any less manly or sexy because of these facts. I doubt that the men in those situations would consider themselves emasculated or in any way less a man.

Tucker needs to get out more in the real world. And for one I would love to see him try to spear anything. That would be hilarious.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
102. I guess that is why Tucker has friends that own brothels
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:40 PM
May 2014

just another little prick trying to get something for nothing.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
106. Trying to compensate for a tiny Dick is a pointless exercise
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:41 PM
May 2014

..but, there are people willing to take their Money and outfit them with a 'Manly' Penis substitute for every occasion.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
108. Trust Fund He-Man.
Wed May 7, 2014, 07:19 PM
May 2014

Soft hands.

Never wanted for anything a day in his life.


He'd cry if he did what I have to do for a living just one week.

Jasana

(490 posts)
119. I don't know who he is but he is disgusting!
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:03 AM
May 2014

I always go dutch on my dates. Always. At least until we may become "a thing." Then it's okay to pay back and forth. That's how I roll. No idiotards will change my mind.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
122. I remember years ago....
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:47 AM
May 2014

...I was in a restaurant and noticed the couple at a table across from me were getting into an argument. It was a man and a woman and apparently on a date. For the entire time they were there they talked but didn't hear much and didnt pay attention. But before they were about to leave, they started fighting over the check. I can't remember the whole thing but she wanted to pay half and he didnt want to let her. They weren't getting physical or anything like that but he was creating a scene over it. I can't imagine that relationship lasted much longer.

I guess it's sort of like how SOME guys feel their ego is threatened if the wife makes more money than they do. And it stems from gender roles. It makes the guy feel macho and dominant and has power over the woman.

Also I think some guys are worried about what a woman would think of them if they don't pay for the whole date. They may feel like the woman might not respect them.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
124. For a number of reasons, my wife is in charge of our family finances.
Thu May 8, 2014, 06:45 AM
May 2014

So every time we go out to dinner, she pays. I do not feel unmanned because of this.

I suppose that Carlson would also consider me unmanly because (1) I have never gone hunting, (b) the last time I fished was in 1962 and (iii) I do all the cooking, the laundry and much of the cleaning in my household and (? my wife does most of the driving. Funny, but I don't feel that I have to prove my masculinity to anyone.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
126. He better not lose his job
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:09 AM
May 2014

and need his wife to support him. Forget some stupid little dinner, Tucker. Would he beg on the streets just to keep his sense of masculinity?

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
127. Carlson is a pathetic dickbag.
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:42 AM
May 2014

Manliness indeed.....
He needs to leave social science to those of us that actually understand it....

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
130. Carlson didn't say any women are "disgusting".
Thu May 8, 2014, 10:47 AM
May 2014

The bow tie doesn't pay me to cover his ass for him, but that title is as misleading and incendiary as anything Huffington Post ever dreamed up to attact clicks. The original Salon title could even be seen as slander.

What Carlson said was: “Men, who on the second date, let their date pay for dinner, I’m sorry that’s disgusting,” . I'm no fan of Carlson, but that in no way says that he thinks women are disgusting. If anything, he's criticizing the men who cede to what he sees as new age social norms.

Shameful journalism purposely crafted to stoke feminist ire. It assumes no one will actually read the article, and apparently very few people do.

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
133. That sort of thing
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:40 AM
May 2014

seems to be evolving into the "norm" these days.

I call it the "National Enquirer" syndrome.

You know...that piece of shit waste of paper found near the checkout aisles in the grocery stores.

Always a sensational headline!!!

But the story turns out to be something quite different.

Except I guess its only saving grace, if there is one, is that people who buy it regularly must know that the actual stories are not going to live up to the hype. But they buy it anyway. Maybe in the hopes that someday they WILL find Elvis alive and well, living in the jungles of the Amazon with some primitive tribes...


Here, unfortunately, we have misleading headlines, and as long as the headline supports or reinforces someone's belief, it doesn't really matter what the article says.

and yeah...it's not just the Right doing this shit. Gotta keep the misguided outrage going on the Left as well.

yech.

JohnnyRingo

(18,623 posts)
141. I think it capitalizes on the fact that people don't read.
Thu May 8, 2014, 05:39 PM
May 2014

Anyone who's ever posted an original thread in DU suspects as much, and there's a lot of truth to it.

Patton Oswalt sent out a tweet this week apologizing for something he never said. He then sat back and waited for the outrage from people who really had no idea what he was talking about, but still had to weigh in on how offended they were ...and it came in spades.

If it weren’t so hilarious it would be depressing. A little earlier this afternoon Patton Oswalt began trolling Twitter and the rest of the internet, trying to drum up outrage over nothing. Literally, nothing.

What he did was simple: He started posting tweets that referenced and apologized for tweets he says he deleted because they were offensive, but of course the “deleted tweets” weren’t real. They never were. So this is what his feed looked like:

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/05/patton-oswalt-brilliantly-trolls-twitter/

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
144. That's how news travels now in the internet age
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:36 PM
May 2014

its all about getting clicks, not accuracy. This is true now even of mainstream media sites like cnn.

nilesobek

(1,423 posts)
132. I see the greasy hunters everyday
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:24 AM
May 2014

at my cashier job. They load up on energy drinks, coffee, beer, gasoline for their trucks and 4-wheelers, cigarettes and lots of chewing tobacco. To this they add piles of gas station breakfast sandwiches and pastries. The zoot suits they wear have to be worth $500. The trucks are worth 20-40k or even more. The rifles must be worth thousands.

How does Gryllis relate this hunting culture to anything macho? The actual hunt does not seem to be the goal, its more of an outing and some photo ops. If they kill one of our furry friends along the way its a bonus.

I am completely disgusted with their commentary even if it was slightly misrepresented. Advice to fellow men: Do not take this advice, they have no idea what women want. Their women are probably just bored with them.

savannah43

(575 posts)
139. How many dinners has your Mommy bought you, F...Tucker?
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:35 PM
May 2014

Do you think this gasbag knows that the only reason he isn't working at a convenience store is his mother's influence?
BTW, what self-respecting woman with a brain would go to dinner with this mama's boy? None!

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
140. That's hysterical!!
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:36 PM
May 2014

Tucker's manliness is threatened and in peril! It was bad enough when everyone laughed at him for his girly bow ties. Now they want to see him hunting! I bet Sarah Palin could beat him up!

LOL!

IronLionZion

(45,410 posts)
145. I think such women are strong, independent, and confident.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:42 PM
May 2014
Which of you lovely ladies wants to buy me dinner? I like fair trade, grass fed, sustainable, and organic, btw...
 

stuartsdesk1

(85 posts)
147. So Why Doesn't Bear Grylls Face a Lion with a Spear? Come On Bear - Show Us Your Stuff
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:01 AM
May 2014

Years ago, Maasai warriors showed us what real courage and manliness were when they faced a male lion with
only a spear - and no back-up shooters. Thankfully, we now have a greater appreciation and empathy for our fellow
creatures and an understanding of the need to preserve diversity of all species. Those brutal, nonsensical days are
mostly past history.

But we still have "he-men" like Mr. "Bear" Grylls (actually Mr. Edward Michael Grylls) who purport to show us
how a real man should act.

Why doesn't Mr. Grylls give us a real demonstration of "manliness", like the young Maasai men did?

Let him approach a wild, African, male lion in the bush with only a spear for defense. Could he hold his ground for 5 minutes?

If he passes the test, I'll buy him dinner. (Unless, of course, he has already become dinner.)

classof56

(5,376 posts)
148. Oh, this is classic! Back in my day...
Fri May 9, 2014, 11:03 AM
May 2014

Pre-feminist era, mind you, I had several male colleagues tell me "girls" didn't need to make as much as men for the same job, 'cause we could always find a "guy" to take us out to dinner. Plus, we could of course, live with our parents or share an apartment with five other "girls", thus we needed less income. There was more, of course--we are talkin' 50s mentality--but I'll quit now by simply saying, "Tucker, you are an ignoramus and a complete asshole." Now there's a word no "well-bred girl" would use back in the 50s, no matter how much we thought it!

SoonerShankle

(322 posts)
149. While it is easy to make fun of Carlson...
Fri May 9, 2014, 12:36 PM
May 2014

...a more disturbing issue arises from his verbal diarrhea--that this kind of misguided, sexist, and borderline misogynistic rant is considered viable on national news channel is beyond the pale (and no, I'm not giving them the "But it's Fox" excuse). Gender issues for both sexes are very real and much more complex than this segment would ever touch. There is no doubt that this segment was intended for the express purpose of perpetuating discriminatory behavior based upon gender.

And while many feel the term "man up" (or "woman up"--yes, I've heard and used it too) may mean that the man is being emasculated, they've got it all wrong. It is a term implying lack of maturity. It says quit being a little boy and act like the mature man that you are. Saying "man up" to a child is inappropriate, but asking an adult to act like an adult is not.

And then the woman in the segment, Ms. Smith, ineptly and half-heartedly tries to integrate machismo into the conversation. Thanks, but no thanks, for the token non-argument.

While I could laugh at Carlson's silly bow-tie, it is his seriously misguided rant about gender roles in our society that only goes to show how far some (ok, how far Fox) will go to legitimize bashing women.

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