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My freshman year in high school, the administration's diversity czars lined my whole class across the gym and read a series of statements, each accompanied by a command to step forward or backward. If you are white, take two steps forward. If your parents went to college, take one step forward. If you are gay, take two steps back. Before long, we were sorted according to our supposed privilegeand I'm pretty sure all of us, from the children of real estate moguls up front to the mostly black financial aid students in the rear, felt awful about where we stood.
That was almost nine years ago, and the incident upset many students and parents. Today, the phrase check your privilegethat is, to acknowledge your relative advantageis commonplace, as is the tallying of privilege. A recent Buzzfeed "How Privileged Are You?" quiz asks readers to check off a hundred statementsfrom "I am white" to "I consider myself to be physically attractive"and spits out a score between 0 (under-privileged) and 100 (the most privileged). Last year, Gawker created "The Privilege Tournament," a March Madnesslike bracket that included "race" and "gender" regions but also "allergies."
All this has prompted something of an anti-anti-privilege backlash. You'll find no better example of that than Princeton freshman Tal Fortgang's diatribe in The Princeton Tory last month, "Checking My Privilege: Character as the Basis of Privilege."
The essay, which caught The New York Times's attention last week, was Fortgangs response to comments that he should check his privilege because he is a white man. I actually went and checked the origins of my privileged existence, to empathize with those whose underdog stories I cant possibly comprehend, Fortgang writes. He then recounts his grandparents' persecution during the Holocaust and their hard work in America. People who tell him to check his privilege, he says, are to be blamed for diminishing everything I have personally accomplished, all the hard work I have done in my life, and for ascribing all the fruit I reap not to the seeds I sow but to some invisible patron saint of white maleness who places it out for me before I even arrive.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117665/princeton-essay-check-your-privilege-raises-legitimate-gripes
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)And I realize a lot of these facts are going to hard to swallow for certain elements on here but they need to be pointed out. Some of the best points she made, I will quote directly(my emphasis in bold):
The real problem with the phrase "check your privilege"aside from the fact that it reduces people to the sum of their characteristicsis that it has become a handicapping device. White male? Then what could you possibly know about racism or sexism? Calling out privilege often isn't intended to make someone consider his advantages in life so much as to dismiss his perspective......But I want to be able to discuss sexism or feminism with men, and I think their opinions are no less worthy or relevant for the fact that they are male. Similarly, anyone should be able to participate in a conversation about racism without being discounted or silenced on account of race.
Told to check your privilege, its pretty easy to feel shut out of conversation; an advantage in life might be turned into a disadvantage in debate. Check your privilege can come across as an expectation that a person be repentant for sins he has not committed. In its most generous usage, of course, check your privilege isnt meant to make anyone feel guiltyonly to make them recognize their privileged position. But it has the effect of invoking guilt, in large part because the phrase is so often used ungenerously, as a weapon rather than a gentle reminder. This is partly what outraged Fortgang, who refers to the phrase as a reprimand that "threatens to strike down opinions without regard for their merits, but rather solely on the basis of the person that voiced them."
This disconnect stems from confusion about what "check your privilege" really means, which results in accusations and defensiveness rather than a reasonable debate aboutwell, whatever subject the debate was originally about. Who can remember? But the problem isn't just the phrase check your privilege, or even the concept of privilege. Its rooted in a basic disagreement over the weight of identity in determining a persons role in social discourse. And thats why Fortgangs opponents and supporters will continue to talk past each other.
All too true. All too true. Thanks for posting this, name not needed. People on both sides here on DU could really learn a thing or two from this.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Last edited Fri May 9, 2014, 12:07 PM - Edit history (1)
white students are being constantly told to "check your privilege"...I've never even seen or heard the term outside of internet forums, and I work at a university....The whole thing just reeks of conservative "PC paranoia" -- It's the 1990s all over again...
I think if the student's arguments were just a little more reasoned and a little less smug and resentful, he wouldn't have gotten such a backlash (of course he wouldn't have gotten into Time, either)
Lancero
(3,002 posts)Frankly, it's a load of crap. I say this due to it double dipping on some questions, leaving others widely open, and including questions without the option to exclude them from the rating (Airport and place of worship questions.).
It's a test that may open some eyes, but realistically it's got more holes in it then swiss cheese.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Coventina
(27,064 posts)However, I'll start to feel sorry for privileged people being told to check it when they stop saying things about less-privileged groups that show they know nothing of the experience.
Fortgang's piece is ridiculous. He makes a wacky emotional appeal about the struggles of his grandparents, which were horrifyingly real, and somehow that means HE'S not privileged?
His grandparents experience is irrelevant. What was HIS experience? What has HE accomplished? Other than being an outstanding high school student that is now a FRESHMAN at Princeton? What did he OVERCOME to achieve that?
Give me a break.
This is just another case of it being "class warfare" only when the lower classes bite back. (And in this case, just with a pithy phrase - wow! How incredibly hurtful! I don't know how they've survived, poor babies!!!)
cali
(114,904 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)Since they (we) aren't, then it can't merely be class warfare.
Everyone, no matter who you are, has 'overcome' -something-. Trying to break it down into 'worthful' and 'not worthful' examples of things to overcome is hardly a good approach to the problem, but ultimately that's what we're left with. Otherwise, people start to assemble a pecking order of who is, and is not 'privileged' and then begin the disgusting competition to see who can top the chart.
To see it in action, merely ask this simple question in a general meeting area: Who is most and least privileged, a white woman, a black man, or an affluent-but-not-wealthy trans individual of any color. Have fun, good luck, and wear armor if you know what's good for you.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)Minorities can be privileged as well, "check your privilege" can apply to ANYONE who is making an ignorant statement about a group of people who are less-privileged than they.
For example, Fortgang is at least partially Jewish. That makes him a minority, but it doesn't mean he's not privileged.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)I mean, I agree on the principle - that people can and do talk pure ignorance sometimes about groups (insofar as anything said about a group has relevance, which is typically but not always very little) they know little about, and that's not desirable. The problem is in determining -who- is 'less-privileged'. Sometimes its easy; David Koch isn't going to be telling -anyone- on this site -anything-, for example. But more often than not, its -not- so cut and dried. And that's what I was referring to.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)As I said initially, such pithy phrases are never conducive to debate.
It would be better to say (just as an example here), "Really? So what is your knowledge of homelessness based on? Because, I've been homeless and what you say has nothing to do with my experience."
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Much more reasonable question/statement and, imo, actually says a lot more without trying to directly (whether intentional or not) silence the other person. It also helps remove a bit of that pesky 'hierarchy' junk.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Shandris
(3,447 posts)As it stands, I'm not sure what 'references' you might be referring to, nor what you mean by 'who defines them' -- them as in references? Them as in privileges? Something else?
Honest question, not snark or anything.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Being descended from Holocaust survivors is very much relevant, especially for Jewish people. However, mixing various identities can create a false sense of having/not having privilege. The idea that "white privilege" doesn't exist is absurd, but other factors can and do affect the level of said privilege.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)(which I find REALLY surprising!)
That indicates to me that he was raised without that knowledge until he went to write the article.
So I don't see how his grandparents' experience played a factor into his psyche, work ethic, etc.
I can certainly see how it might affect him NOW that he does know! (Because I know it would profoundly affect me!)
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)Coventina
(27,064 posts)But from the OP of this thread which is about the article Fortgang wrote:
I actually went and checked the origins of my privileged existence, to empathize with those whose underdog stories I cant possibly comprehend,
It's been a number of hours since I read the original article, but if I'm recalling it correctly, he certainly makes it sound as if his grandparents' story was new and surprising to him.
Possibly they died before he was born and his parents never bothered to tell him until he asked?
(I'm assuming his research would have started with them).
on edit: grammar
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)I should have included the link. (ETA: the Tal Fortgang article) Thanks for the quote because I glossed over it.
I pulled this: " I have unearthed some examples of the privilege with which my family was blessed," and that does make it sound as if this was not information to which he knew. But, it could also be he didn't know the extent of the information or he was waxing poetic.
However, it still doesn't excuse away his failure to realize being white and male does carry privilege. As I said, though, it can be tempered depending on other circumstances. The problem some have is not understanding the tapestry of privilege. I am white and male, but both can be complicated by my being Jewish and gay. I think some see it as a competition and don't realize the effect various factors have.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)Just like you, I have a mixture of advantages and disadvantages as well.
Which is why just spouting "check your privilege" is not a good way to forward a thoughtful discussion.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)BTW, did you take the "test" in the OP (go to the source for the link within the article). I scored 30 out of a 100. But, to me, some of the questions were just odd.
Coventina
(27,064 posts)31!
So we're *almost* the same on the privilege scale.
Behind the Aegis
(53,921 posts)But did you find some of the questions, well, odd? Especially as they were designed to exemplify "privilege" or not.
Also, did you see my other thread? STUDY: Reviewers Find More Errors In Your Writing If They Think Youre Black
Coventina
(27,064 posts)So, the whole thing is probably, at best, just a ballpark indicator of privilege.
I did see that thread, but I didn't click on it.
I'll do so now......
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)When smug, sniveling 18-year-olds whose biggest concern in life this time a year ago was getting to second base with his prom date start lecturing everyone on how the world works, he deserves nothing but my contempt...
If he was a well-traveled adult with properly reasoned arguments, that's a different story...If he was just referring to his little bubble of existence as an Ivy League freshman, that's a different story (but of course that story doesn't make it to Time or even the COHE)...If he could focus on his argument without all the butthurt resentment over being that dorky Teabagger kid that nobody likes, that's a different story...
Enrique
(27,461 posts)it bears little resemblance to this thoughtful article in the OP.
One thing I disagree with this New Republic article is that anecdote she starts with, about the exercise in the high school gym. She tells it as if the problem with the exercise was so obvious that she didn't have to explain it. I disagree with that. I want to know, why were the parents upset? Were they right to be upset? I don't think so.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)How was the privilege checklist compiled, and by whom? On what basis is a certain "privilege" equated to one step forward, while another is two steps back?
As an exercise in self-awareness, I think that it's probably quite powerful, but I have misgivings about the methodology.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Sorry, but I'm not about to prioritize privileged people's feelings over anything. The fact that they think their bruised egos should mean jack shit to anyone else says it all, really.
This is just another version of 'yes, oppression is bad and all I'm sure, but say it nicer or I won't listen to you or help you'.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)about what general pejorative categories the media can fit some many into
B2G
(9,766 posts)The politically correct way to now tell someone to shut the fuck up.
The latest catch phrase, guaranteed to alienate and shut people up. Which goes goes MILES in furthering understanding.
Which for some is the whole intent.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)There are no good Thai restaurants where I live and the nearest Trader Joe's is 30+ miles away.
How is that privilege?
I dare anyone of you to walk a mile in my shoes to get pad Thai before you hurl that label at me.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Orrex
(63,172 posts)I would have expected a higher number, especially given the overlap of some of the questions.
Curious.