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"Atheists need to put the Christian right on the spot, ask them if they really think were less American"
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/06/atheists-need-to-put-the-christian-right-on-the-spot-ask-them-if-they-really-think-were-less-american/
randys1
(16,286 posts)America was a good country, while she lasted.
gone now...lets break up into 2 entities, adult world and idiot world
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)We did fight on the side of justice in both World Wars, didnt we?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)America was pretty good if you were a white male and didn't mind the horrors suffered by those in the other part of town.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)you really believe that honestly?
randys1
(16,286 posts)and what does it matter how we compare, i thought we were the
LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE
if you can honestly look at our history we should not care how we compare, but how we fail
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)kind of pointless, honestly.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)Are we less Democratic than you?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)As if they didn't know already.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Warpy
(110,900 posts)The Christian far right is the enemy of both of us.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)and we on this site should pay very close attention to that and not allow one's religious beliefs or lack of beliefs to drive a wedge between us.
Are you with me?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)lack of beliefs on this board.
It's divisive and harms our bigger goals.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The problem is that the religious right feels that only right wing Christians are really American - i don't think very many atheists at all argue that religious folk are not American. I doubt that many argue that they aren't democratic.
Bryant
TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)And I hear the same argument made by RWNJs that the "good" Muslims don't stand up against the bad Muslims.
Christians are quietly carrying out the work of Christ and are not standing on house tops protesting against the radicalized unChristian fundamentalists. It serves no purpose, in Jesus' words it casting your pearls before swine.
displacedtexan
(15,694 posts)Interesting.
Very interesting.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)The Right Wing Christians see all of us, non-Christian Believers, Atheists, and Liberal Christians as un-American. And when an Atheist (or a non-Christian Believer for that matter) stands up to that bullying, it sends a powerful message.
Bryant
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Not the Christian Left.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Of course they think they're more American than atheists and will be overjoyed to say so.
Warpy
(110,900 posts)think atheists are the problem.
Liberal Christians need to rethink a lot of things. Phony solidarity with far right Christians is getting them nowhere and disgracing the name to the point that some young believers won't self identify as Christian for fear they get lumped in with the far right variety.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)They love the wedge and every time we give them a chance to pound on it, they will.
Progressive/liberal believers and non-believers need to rethink a lot of things. Some young non-believers won't self identify as atheist for fear that they might get lumped in with the anti-theist variety.
TexasProgresive
(12,148 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)take this food fight somewhere else please. I give a rats ass what christians "think" of atheists.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)and vice versa.
2banon
(7,321 posts)There's a reason why it was created, so that those of us who find the topic extremely offensive don't have to see reference in subject headers in the General Discussion forum.
To be clear, I'm not just talking about the actual back and forth discussion which obviously would be offensive to me, but the actual reference to the topic in subject headings, I find offensive.
i'm not the only one. That's why there's a forum for it. All i'm asking is for you folks to take it over there.
Please.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I couldn't care less about either side in that battle. I wish both sides would let it go and live and let live.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Egnever
(21,506 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)"I couldn't care less about either side in that battle. I wish both sides would let it go and live and let live."
I would argue that it is almost like 2 sides of the same coin. They both basically want to ridicule others for their religious beliefs. The main difference is that one side (the Christian Right) has much more power. It sickens me as a progressive life-long Lutheran to see it. And like you said--live and let live.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Or is this term to tie all Christians to "the right," so that they are synonymous.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)recently that did the same thing.
There is a seething hatred for Christians on this board, and the Left, by a persistent and vocal few.
On edit - here's the link to the palin = Christians thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024918102
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I was just reading comments on a local, giant cross on public property (that has bothered me for years) story and several comments said, "Christians need to put these atheists in the ground".
Very Christian like.
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(19,768 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)A link to the article with those remarks that you referenced.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I clicked on two of the links I read earlier today that I thought were the most likely culprits (although the second click I didn't try too hard) and then just said fuck it, here's the google results page I was clicking through earlier today.
The local news comments aren't too much better.
And to think, for years I've thought of being that guy who contacts the ACLU to get this cross taken down.. but knew better. I'd have my windows broken at best.
And most of the articles misrepresent the "piece of land" the cross is on. Many complain that it is only 6" on "state" land. The rest is on "town" land. The argument goes that separation of church and state doesn't apply to church and town.
The town "solved" the problem last year by giving the traffic island to the group that put the cross up.
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(19,768 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/attorney-wants-town-to-remove-kiwanis-cross.html
It's becoming time for Christians to become militant. Stop hiding behind the Idea that you are to be victims to be Christians. Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. (Luke 22:35-38, NIV).
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/28/are-church-state-separatists-right-to-call-this-christian-cross-a-constitutional-violation/
The Cross is a part of tradition. Thank you Kwanis members. These communistic, liberal, marxist minded ACLU people cant find anything better to do than try to destroy the traditions in the USA. Do they know how anti-American and disgusting they are ? Leave the Cross alone and go find a real problem to solve like the anti-USA types in the current administration for a start. {in answer to the OP}
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)it was the grind them into dirt one I was specifically thinking of.
Ino
(3,366 posts)It's interesting to watch them play "gotcha," wink at each other, smirk & sneer that others must be lying... about something so commonplace it goes without saying. Do they really not know how Christians insinuate themselves into everything, how violent and arrogant their attitudes can be, how insidiously they extend their tentacles, how often their god/bible is used as an excuse for racism/sexism/etc? They need a link? It's so phony, so disingenuous.
They should read their own book...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You so funny! You funny guy!
It's not possible to link to things pulled out of one's ass...
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(19,768 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)We are going to have to deal with atheists and queers very harshly, they are ruining our country because no one has the spine to stand up to the devil. Its time, we, as Christians face these people down and grind them into the dirt if necessary to make them go away. Satan has grabbed a chunk of our country, lets take it back.
The Cross is a part of tradition. Thank you Kwanis members. These communistic, liberal, marxist minded ACLU people cant find anything better to do than try to destroy the traditions in the USA. Do they know how anti-American and disgusting they are ? Leave the Cross alone and go find a real problem to solve like the anti-USA types in the current administration for a start. {in answer to the OP}
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)You posted quotes and then refused to back them up which usually means exactly what I stated.
Someone else did what you should have done, thus proving me wrong. You have my sincere apology.
I am sorry for the rude comment.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Ino
(3,366 posts)When someone accuses another of "pulling things out of one's ass"... it's often because that's exactly what the accuser does, so he/she thinks that's what everyone else does.
Oh, and I'll "sincerely" apologize if you PROVE that's not true of you. But I'll qualify it into a non-apology with statements like "you REFUSED to back them up" and "you SHOULD have done" ... because I'm such a Christian and all. (sarcasm)
Why SHOULD Captain Obvious have done it? How arrogant! It took me a long time to read through all those comments at all those links. Maybe Captain has a life -- I don't. Maybe Captain is so secure in him/herself that he/she feels no need to be defensive and prove he/she's not a liar -- I'm not. Maybe Captain's childhood was not wasted getting psychologically horse-whipped at christian schools -- mine was. It left me extraordinarily sensitive to sneering, which is why I did what Captain should NOT have needed to do.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)When I quote people, I do my best to cite the quote, which is pretty much customary here. Maybe you aren't aware of that. No matter, I'm not going to hold it against you.
And goodness me, I'm glad it wasn't you I apologized to, lest your refusal to accept ruin the rest of my day. You proved me wrong, I apologized to the poster I was rude to, and now life will go on...
Sorry you were horse-whipped.
Ino
(3,366 posts)...and I don't feel like searching your posts to see if it's true. I guess I'll just take your word for it. Because that's what Jesus would do.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Why attack that belief, that broad religion, and by extension its adherents, while rarely attacking other faiths?
If you don't believe in God, any god, then don't believe. Who's stopping you? What is the problem?
I've seen all sorts of attacks on Christians and Christianity by atheist groups. Why? Why not just be and let others be?
Why the seeming hatred?
Ino
(3,366 posts)Because US money doesn't say "In Allah we trust"
I've never heard of a Star of David being erected on public property.
No Satanists have ever knocked on my door with a pamphlet.
Get it? You are mistaken that it's Christianity the belief that is offensive to non-Christians. It IS the adherents directly, not by extension.
If you want to believe in a god, then go ahead and believe. Why do Christians need to shove it in everyone else's face? What's THEIR problem?!
If you want to pray all day in school, go ahead and pray to yourself. Who's stopping you? Why does it have to be out loud? Why don't they practice what their own bible says about prayer...
djean111
(14,255 posts)excellent post.
rock
(13,218 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Why don't women build their OWN golf courses?
Why should an atheist have to sit through three prayers at a state democratic convention before we can get down to business?
Why can't blacks and women and atheists just shut up or stay away?
What's WRONG with these minorities?
Iggo
(47,486 posts)And it sure ain't been the Christian Left.