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"Atheists need to put the Christian right on the spot" (Original Post) Dawson Leery May 2014 OP
Oligarchy complete. randys1 May 2014 #1
When was America a good country? nt ZombieHorde May 2014 #8
As countries go, better than most. randys1 May 2014 #11
"We" killed bad some guys while terrorising minorities at home. ZombieHorde May 2014 #12
Agree...we have a terrible history , worse than most...easy to forget when you/me is a white guy randys1 May 2014 #13
"worse than most" Niceguy1 May 2014 #14
when it comes to slavery and race relations etc, of course randys1 May 2014 #16
Virtually all of human history is a solid bloodbath. Trying to determine who was "worse" is nomorenomore08 May 2014 #29
my thoughts exactly. ... Niceguy1 May 2014 #40
ANd liberal Christians need to put athiests on the spot. TexasProgresive May 2014 #2
Yep, those nasty atheists need to be shown how much all the theists hate them Fumesucker May 2014 #5
Agnostic here - and agree 100% DrDan May 2014 #6
Honey, we're not the enemy Warpy May 2014 #7
That is profoundly and exactly right cbayer May 2014 #18
See post #2 Fumesucker May 2014 #24
I think that, in general, people are tired of being attacked for their beliefs and/or cbayer May 2014 #39
I don't think that's germane to this conversation though el_bryanto May 2014 #15
Perhaps not-but athiest tend to lump all believer in the same bag. TexasProgresive May 2014 #20
Funny thing. Pat Robertson just said the same thing. displacedtexan May 2014 #33
But that is not what this argument is about el_bryanto May 2014 #35
The article was about the Christian Right. NuclearDem May 2014 #25
How does that put the Christian right "on the spot"? Fumesucker May 2014 #3
And they're especially happy when liberal Christians Warpy May 2014 #10
They are also happy when atheists think liberal chrisitians are the problem. cbayer May 2014 #19
They think they're the only Americans in the room. n/t TexasProgresive May 2014 #21
wrong forum 2banon May 2014 #4
"I give a rats ass what christians "think" of atheists." Egnever May 2014 #9
That's fine, but theres a forum specifically for that discussion 2banon May 2014 #22
I am not any folks Egnever May 2014 #27
Sorry, Not ever going to happen. Not Ever. 2banon May 2014 #32
Well then you are as much a part of the problem as the folks you rail against. Egnever May 2014 #34
invent stuff out thin air much? we're done. trashing thread. 2banon May 2014 #37
Ditto. Jamaal510 May 2014 #41
What about Christians on the left? Skip Intro May 2014 #17
Certainly comes across that way, doesn't it? WillowTree May 2014 #23
Seems like just a way to bash Christians. There was a thread about sarah palin here Skip Intro May 2014 #28
Weird timing Capt. Obvious May 2014 #26
Link? n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #30
One of these Capt. Obvious May 2014 #36
I mean to the "put them in the ground" comments you mentioned. Skip Intro May 2014 #38
I know what you were asking for Capt. Obvious May 2014 #42
so, no link to those comments you were "just reading" - ? Skip Intro May 2014 #45
Here are a few quotes + LINKS for you... Ino May 2014 #47
Thank you Capt. Obvious May 2014 #49
You're welcome... Ino May 2014 #61
LOL! cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #43
;-) n/t Skip Intro May 2014 #44
You're incredibly rude Capt. Obvious May 2014 #50
Regardless... cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #52
Apology accepted Capt. Obvious May 2014 #54
apology not accepted Ino May 2014 #55
Yawn... cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #58
No, I'm not aware of that... Ino May 2014 #60
They have no qualms btw saying we're less American Capt. Obvious May 2014 #31
Why can't athiests just be athiests without making Christianity a boogey man? Skip Intro May 2014 #46
Well, let's see... Ino May 2014 #48
Agree 100%. Thank you. djean111 May 2014 #51
exactly!! m-lekktor May 2014 #53
I believe you've got it! rock May 2014 #56
Why can't black people just go to restaurants that want them? PassingFair May 2014 #59
Well, somebody's got to do it. Iggo May 2014 #57

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Oligarchy complete.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:09 PM
May 2014

America was a good country, while she lasted.

gone now...lets break up into 2 entities, adult world and idiot world

randys1

(16,286 posts)
11. As countries go, better than most.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:29 PM
May 2014

We did fight on the side of justice in both World Wars, didnt we?

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
12. "We" killed bad some guys while terrorising minorities at home.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:35 PM
May 2014

America was pretty good if you were a white male and didn't mind the horrors suffered by those in the other part of town.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
16. when it comes to slavery and race relations etc, of course
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:51 PM
May 2014

and what does it matter how we compare, i thought we were the

LAND OF THE FREE AND THE BRAVE

if you can honestly look at our history we should not care how we compare, but how we fail

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
29. Virtually all of human history is a solid bloodbath. Trying to determine who was "worse" is
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:14 PM
May 2014

kind of pointless, honestly.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
5. Yep, those nasty atheists need to be shown how much all the theists hate them
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:23 PM
May 2014

As if they didn't know already.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
18. That is profoundly and exactly right
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:55 PM
May 2014

and we on this site should pay very close attention to that and not allow one's religious beliefs or lack of beliefs to drive a wedge between us.

Are you with me?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
39. I think that, in general, people are tired of being attacked for their beliefs and/or
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:49 PM
May 2014

lack of beliefs on this board.

It's divisive and harms our bigger goals.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
15. I don't think that's germane to this conversation though
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:48 PM
May 2014

The problem is that the religious right feels that only right wing Christians are really American - i don't think very many atheists at all argue that religious folk are not American. I doubt that many argue that they aren't democratic.

Bryant

TexasProgresive

(12,148 posts)
20. Perhaps not-but athiest tend to lump all believer in the same bag.
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:01 PM
May 2014

And I hear the same argument made by RWNJs that the "good" Muslims don't stand up against the bad Muslims.

Christians are quietly carrying out the work of Christ and are not standing on house tops protesting against the radicalized unChristian fundamentalists. It serves no purpose, in Jesus' words it casting your pearls before swine.

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
35. But that is not what this argument is about
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:22 PM
May 2014

The Right Wing Christians see all of us, non-Christian Believers, Atheists, and Liberal Christians as un-American. And when an Atheist (or a non-Christian Believer for that matter) stands up to that bullying, it sends a powerful message.

Bryant

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. How does that put the Christian right "on the spot"?
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:22 PM
May 2014

Of course they think they're more American than atheists and will be overjoyed to say so.

Warpy

(110,900 posts)
10. And they're especially happy when liberal Christians
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:28 PM
May 2014

think atheists are the problem.

Liberal Christians need to rethink a lot of things. Phony solidarity with far right Christians is getting them nowhere and disgracing the name to the point that some young believers won't self identify as Christian for fear they get lumped in with the far right variety.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
19. They are also happy when atheists think liberal chrisitians are the problem.
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:58 PM
May 2014

They love the wedge and every time we give them a chance to pound on it, they will.

Progressive/liberal believers and non-believers need to rethink a lot of things. Some young non-believers won't self identify as atheist for fear that they might get lumped in with the anti-theist variety.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
4. wrong forum
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:23 PM
May 2014

take this food fight somewhere else please. I give a rats ass what christians "think" of atheists.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
22. That's fine, but theres a forum specifically for that discussion
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:02 PM
May 2014

There's a reason why it was created, so that those of us who find the topic extremely offensive don't have to see reference in subject headers in the General Discussion forum.

To be clear, I'm not just talking about the actual back and forth discussion which obviously would be offensive to me, but the actual reference to the topic in subject headings, I find offensive.

i'm not the only one. That's why there's a forum for it. All i'm asking is for you folks to take it over there.

Please.

 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
27. I am not any folks
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:13 PM
May 2014

I couldn't care less about either side in that battle. I wish both sides would let it go and live and let live.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
41. Ditto.
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:00 PM
May 2014

"I couldn't care less about either side in that battle. I wish both sides would let it go and live and let live."

I would argue that it is almost like 2 sides of the same coin. They both basically want to ridicule others for their religious beliefs. The main difference is that one side (the Christian Right) has much more power. It sickens me as a progressive life-long Lutheran to see it. And like you said--live and let live.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
17. What about Christians on the left?
Thu May 8, 2014, 07:53 PM
May 2014

Or is this term to tie all Christians to "the right," so that they are synonymous.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
28. Seems like just a way to bash Christians. There was a thread about sarah palin here
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:14 PM
May 2014

recently that did the same thing.

There is a seething hatred for Christians on this board, and the Left, by a persistent and vocal few.

On edit - here's the link to the palin = Christians thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024918102

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
26. Weird timing
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:13 PM
May 2014

I was just reading comments on a local, giant cross on public property (that has bothered me for years) story and several comments said, "Christians need to put these atheists in the ground".

Very Christian like.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
38. I mean to the "put them in the ground" comments you mentioned.
Thu May 8, 2014, 08:34 PM
May 2014

A link to the article with those remarks that you referenced.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
42. I know what you were asking for
Thu May 8, 2014, 09:01 PM
May 2014

I clicked on two of the links I read earlier today that I thought were the most likely culprits (although the second click I didn't try too hard) and then just said fuck it, here's the google results page I was clicking through earlier today.

The local news comments aren't too much better.

And to think, for years I've thought of being that guy who contacts the ACLU to get this cross taken down.. but knew better. I'd have my windows broken at best.

And most of the articles misrepresent the "piece of land" the cross is on. Many complain that it is only 6" on "state" land. The rest is on "town" land. The argument goes that separation of church and state doesn't apply to church and town.

The town "solved" the problem last year by giving the traffic island to the group that put the cross up.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
47. Here are a few quotes + LINKS for you...
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:29 AM
May 2014
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2890387/posts
This sounds bad but the cross might look better if it had a few ACLU lawyers hanging from the crossbeams by the neck.


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/attorney-wants-town-to-remove-kiwanis-cross.html
I'm offended by all the atheists' rhetoric. When can we have them removed?

It's becoming time for Christians to become militant. Stop hiding behind the Idea that you are to be victims to be Christians. Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?" "Nothing," they answered. He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: `And he was numbered with the transgressors' ; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment." The disciples said, "See, Lord, here are two swords." "That is enough," he replied. (Luke 22:35-38, NIV).


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/28/are-church-state-separatists-right-to-call-this-christian-cross-a-constitutional-violation/
We are going to have to deal with atheists and queers very harshly, they are ruining our country because no one has the spine to stand up to the devil. It’s time, we, as Christians face these people down and grind them into the dirt if necessary to make them go away. Satan has grabbed a chunk of our country, lets take it back.

The Cross is a part of “tradition”. Thank you Kwanis members. These communistic, liberal, marxist minded ACLU people can’t find anything better to do than try to destroy the “traditions” in the USA. Do they know how anti-American and disgusting they are ? Leave the Cross alone and go find a real problem to solve – like the anti-USA types in the current administration for a start. {in answer to the OP}

Ino

(3,366 posts)
61. You're welcome...
Fri May 9, 2014, 10:55 PM
May 2014

It's interesting to watch them play "gotcha," wink at each other, smirk & sneer that others must be lying... about something so commonplace it goes without saying. Do they really not know how Christians insinuate themselves into everything, how violent and arrogant their attitudes can be, how insidiously they extend their tentacles, how often their god/bible is used as an excuse for racism/sexism/etc? They need a link? It's so phony, so disingenuous.

They should read their own book...

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye. (Matthew 7:3-5)

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
50. You're incredibly rude
Fri May 9, 2014, 07:54 AM
May 2014
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/05/28/are-church-state-separatists-right-to-call-this-christian-cross-a-constitutional-violation/

We are going to have to deal with atheists and queers very harshly, they are ruining our country because no one has the spine to stand up to the devil. It’s time, we, as Christians face these people down and grind them into the dirt if necessary to make them go away. Satan has grabbed a chunk of our country, lets take it back.

The Cross is a part of “tradition”. Thank you Kwanis members. These communistic, liberal, marxist minded ACLU people can’t find anything better to do than try to destroy the “traditions” in the USA. Do they know how anti-American and disgusting they are ? Leave the Cross alone and go find a real problem to solve – like the anti-USA types in the current administration for a start. {in answer to the OP}


 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
52. Regardless...
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:16 AM
May 2014

You posted quotes and then refused to back them up which usually means exactly what I stated.

Someone else did what you should have done, thus proving me wrong. You have my sincere apology.

I am sorry for the rude comment.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
55. apology not accepted
Fri May 9, 2014, 12:09 PM
May 2014

When someone accuses another of "pulling things out of one's ass"... it's often because that's exactly what the accuser does, so he/she thinks that's what everyone else does.

Oh, and I'll "sincerely" apologize if you PROVE that's not true of you. But I'll qualify it into a non-apology with statements like "you REFUSED to back them up" and "you SHOULD have done" ... because I'm such a Christian and all. (sarcasm)

Why SHOULD Captain Obvious have done it? How arrogant! It took me a long time to read through all those comments at all those links. Maybe Captain has a life -- I don't. Maybe Captain is so secure in him/herself that he/she feels no need to be defensive and prove he/she's not a liar -- I'm not. Maybe Captain's childhood was not wasted getting psychologically horse-whipped at christian schools -- mine was. It left me extraordinarily sensitive to sneering, which is why I did what Captain should NOT have needed to do.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
58. Yawn...
Fri May 9, 2014, 01:03 PM
May 2014

When I quote people, I do my best to cite the quote, which is pretty much customary here. Maybe you aren't aware of that. No matter, I'm not going to hold it against you.

And goodness me, I'm glad it wasn't you I apologized to, lest your refusal to accept ruin the rest of my day. You proved me wrong, I apologized to the poster I was rude to, and now life will go on...

Sorry you were horse-whipped.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
60. No, I'm not aware of that...
Fri May 9, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

...and I don't feel like searching your posts to see if it's true. I guess I'll just take your word for it. Because that's what Jesus would do.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
46. Why can't athiests just be athiests without making Christianity a boogey man?
Thu May 8, 2014, 11:12 PM
May 2014

Why attack that belief, that broad religion, and by extension its adherents, while rarely attacking other faiths?

If you don't believe in God, any god, then don't believe. Who's stopping you? What is the problem?

I've seen all sorts of attacks on Christians and Christianity by atheist groups. Why? Why not just be and let others be?

Why the seeming hatred?

Ino

(3,366 posts)
48. Well, let's see...
Fri May 9, 2014, 03:48 AM
May 2014

Because US money doesn't say "In Allah we trust"

I've never heard of a Star of David being erected on public property.

No Satanists have ever knocked on my door with a pamphlet.

Get it? You are mistaken that it's Christianity the belief that is offensive to non-Christians. It IS the adherents directly, not by extension.

If you want to believe in a god, then go ahead and believe. Why do Christians need to shove it in everyone else's face? What's THEIR problem?!

If you want to pray all day in school, go ahead and pray to yourself. Who's stopping you? Why does it have to be out loud? Why don't they practice what their own bible says about prayer...

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. (Matthew 6:5-6)


PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
59. Why can't black people just go to restaurants that want them?
Fri May 9, 2014, 02:08 PM
May 2014

Why don't women build their OWN golf courses?

Why should an atheist have to sit through three prayers at a state democratic convention before we can get down to business?

Why can't blacks and women and atheists just shut up or stay away?

What's WRONG with these minorities?

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