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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:45 PM May 2014

Pope: The Bible Demands The Redistribution Of Wealth

Pope Francis called for “the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits” on Friday, arguing that the Bible demands an economic system that cares for the “poorest and those most excluded.”

Francis made the comments while speaking before a gathering of several United Nations agency leaders, including U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. As he reflected on the U.N.’s target for Future Sustainable Development Goals, the first Latin American pope asked those present to resist participating in an “economy of exclusion” and to strive to have “a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger.”

“In the case of global political and economic organization, much more needs to be achieved, since an important part of humanity does not share in the benefits of progress and is in fact relegated to the status of second-class citizens,” Francis said.

Francis grounded his argument in biblical the story of Zacchaeus, a rich (and likely corrupt) tax collector who dramatically altered his economic behavior after encountering Jesus Christ. According to Luke 19:1-10, Zacchaeus was overcome by Jesus’ kindness, prompting the wealthy man to publicly proclaim that he would give half his possessions to

http://thinkprogress.org/home/2014/05/09/3436223/pope-the-bible-calls-for-the-redistribution-of-wealth/

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GeorgeGist

(25,320 posts)
1. Pope Francis could send a strong message to the US ...
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:47 PM
May 2014

by excommunicating Roberts, Scalia, Alito, et al. for favoring the oligarchs.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. In many ways, he is doing so.
Fri May 9, 2014, 04:52 PM
May 2014

I'm not Catholic (nor Christian, for that matter), but from my perspective, Pope Francis is the greatest thing to happen to the Church since John XXIII. He is setting things in motion that are both subtle and profound. I think, for example, that he's laying the groundwork for a real sea change on birth control and homosexuality, by refocusing doctrine away from some of the crazier parts of the Old Testament.

spin

(17,493 posts)
4. I think Jesus was advocating for the rich to voluntarily help the poor. ...
Fri May 9, 2014, 05:09 PM
May 2014

If a government confiscates wealth and redistributes it to the poor, I fear it is quite possible that a large amount of the wealth will find its way into the wrong hands.

Admittedly I don't have a lot of confidence in the morality of those we elect to office.
I've often said the the most profitable occupations for a person with a great deal of charisma to pursue if he/she wishes to be wealthy is either to become a politician or a preacher.

 

SevenSixtyTwo

(255 posts)
5. I believe that redistribution of wealth
Fri May 9, 2014, 05:14 PM
May 2014

needs to be in the form of decent wages and benefits from manufacturing jobs brought back to the US. It's up to us.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
6. Physician, heal thyself.
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:04 PM
May 2014

The Vatican would be the perfect place to start practicing what he preaches.


rocktivity

pampango

(24,692 posts)
7. We can work with the Pope on this. Don't have to agree with everything he promotes to form
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:11 PM
May 2014

an alliance to achieve goals we believe in.

msongs

(67,398 posts)
8. speaking of hypocrites, did he sell the vatican treasure yet and give the
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:22 PM
May 2014

proceeds to anyone less wealthy than himself?

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
9. I agree with the sexist and homophobic bigot on this point.
Fri May 9, 2014, 06:52 PM
May 2014

He preaches left-wing values on economics, and he preaches right-wing values on social issues.

And, that is a step up from what we had before.

He still causes unneeded grief and hardship for many.

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
10. I would think that the Sabbath years and the Jubilee definately call for redistribution of wealth
Fri May 9, 2014, 07:54 PM
May 2014

At the Jubilee year land that was sold was returned to the family who originally owned it. With possessions held in surety returned and all debts forgiven this would prevent the extreme accumulation of wealth.

The sabbath year (shmita Hebrew: שמיטה?, literally "release&quot also called the sabbatical year or sheviit (Hebrew: שביעית?, literally "seventh&quot is the seventh year of the seven-year agricultural cycle mandated by the Torah for the Land of Israel,[1] and still observed in contemporary Judaism.

During shmita, the land is left to lie fallow and all agricultural activity, including plowing, planting, pruning and harvesting, is forbidden by halakha (Jewish law). Other cultivation techniques (such as watering, fertilizing, weeding, spraying, trimming and mowing) may be performed as a preventative measure only, not to improve the growth of trees or other plants. Additionally, any fruits which grow of their own accord are deemed hefker (ownerless) and may be picked by anyone. A variety of laws also apply to the sale, consumption and disposal of shmita produce. All debts, except those of foreigners, were to be remitted.[2]

Chapter 25 of the Book of Leviticus promises bountiful harvests to those who observe the shmita, and describes its observance as a test of religious faith. There is little notice of the observance of this year in Biblical history and it appears to have been much neglected.[3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shmita


The Jubilee (Hebrew yovel יובל year is the year at the end of seven cycles of shmita (Sabbatical years), and according to Biblical regulations had a special impact on the ownership and management of land in the Land of Israel; there is some debate whether it was the 49th year (the last year of seven sabbatical cycles, referred to as the Sabbath's Sabbath), or whether it was the following (50th) year. Jubilee deals largely with land, property, and property rights. According to Leviticus, slaves and prisoners would be freed, debts would be forgiven and the mercies of God would be particularly manifest. Leviticus 25:8-13 states:

"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_%28Biblical%29

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
12. lol!! "Pope Benedict Peace Message Calls For Wealth Redistribution"
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:14 PM
May 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/pope-benedict-wealth-distribution_n_1154798.html

VATICAN CITY (RNS) Noting a "rising sense of frustration" at the worldwide economic recession, Pope Benedict XVI said that a more just and peaceful world requires "adequate mechanisms for the redistribution of wealth."

The pope's words appeared in his message for the World Day of Peace 2012, released on Friday (Dec. 16) at the Vatican.

The message laments that "some currents of modern culture, built upon rationalist and individualist economic principles, have cut off the concept of justice from its transcendent roots, detaching it from charity and solidarity."

Authentic education, Benedict writes, teaches the proper use of freedom with "respect for oneself and others, including those whose way of being and living differs greatly from one's own."

Peace-making requires education not only in the values of compassion and solidarity, but in the importance of wealth redistribution, the "promotion of growth, cooperation for development and conflict resolution," Benedict writes.

The pope also calls on political leaders to "ensure that no one is ever denied access to education."



Gosh, Francis is so fucking 'revolutionary'!!

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
13. It's amazing we tolerate such extremes in wealth and poverty. We need a new economic system.
Fri May 9, 2014, 08:16 PM
May 2014

The old prejudices that hard work is rewarded with wealth, and that laziness is punished with poverty, they die hard.

It has been my experience that there is actually no correlation between work and wealth.
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