Charter Schools discriminate against males? Yes, duh.

[elehhhhna]

It's called cherry-picking. They enroll less boys - which surprised me, and of course, throw out more boys - which didn't surprise me at all.

Perhaps we can get the MRA's involved in the anti-profitization in education movement.


http://www.vanderbilt.edu/schoolchoice/conference/papers/Corcoran_COMPLETE.pdf

(The du gender conversations got me thinking "I'll bet the Charters discriminate against boys..." and sho' nuff! Yep.)

[LittleBlue]

1. Charter schools will be the downfall of this country

A for-profit education system will be just as effective as the for-profit healthcare system. The 1% benefit and the rest get screwed.

[pscot]

2. Charter schools are just

another nail in the coffin.

[Initech]

28. The upper 1% are the downfall of this country.

If they can't make a profit off something that's not supposed to make a profit, they will destroy it until it does. They've already done this with the military, health care, prisons, and now they're targeting education. If it doesn't profit, destroy until it does. Repeat.

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. and people with disabilities too. nt

[Ms. Toad]

4. Not necessarily.

Correlation is not causation.

Did you check the application pool to be sure they don't select boys at a higher rate from a smaller pool of boys,and still wind up with a smaller male population - just as one non-discriminatory explanation for the difference?

[bettyellen]

6. Boys decline the opportunity at greater rates, acceptance lines up with applications....

they guess that girls are more interested in attending schools that emphasize academics and the humanities over sports.

[Ms. Toad]

7. Well - there's another non-discriminatory explanation.

My point was just that disparity in enrollment is not inherently discriminatory.

[bettyellen]

9. Yeah, I was curious about that too, so I read a bit. It said the applicant split is about same as

the split in population, as is the acceptance rate. The split occurs because boys decline to attend after being accepted at a greater rate. There may be an additional effect when more boys leave the school, willingly or not, but it seemed the writers didn't deem it as nearly as significant as the fact that less families of boys are interested in having them attend. Apparently a more academic enviorment is somehow too feminine for them? Odd.

[Ms. Toad]

16. Or the families of girls are more interested

in obtaining whatever advantage they can for their girl children, so accept (and are motivated to keep them there) at a higher rate - knowing the challenges women still face in job and salary discrimination.

[bettyellen]

17. Yeah, it makes a difference. It has finally sunk in for most that many women have to be

breadwinners for many or most years of their lives also.

[Demo_Chris]

32. So to you even THIS is evidence of patriarchy? Really? nt

[Ms. Toad]

33. Someone suggested the boys didn't like the feminine atmosphere

I gave a different explanation - that is more in line with my experience in education.

Many parents choose all girls schools, for example, because when they are freed from competing with the boys for leadership positions they learn to be leaders - and often create leadership styles which are not dependent on out-boying the boys.

And STEM fields are still predominantly male dominated - and popular among charter schools. Parents hoping their female children will enter these lucrative fields could pretty easily see the advantage of sending their daughters to schools which focus on these fields. Since boys don't seem to have much difficulty entering/succeeding in these fields it could easily provide less motivation to move to a charter school.

How about reading looking for a conversation, rather than a fight?

[Orrex]

22. Hmm...

girls are more interested in attending schools that emphasize academics and the humanities over sports.

That's an interestingly pro-charter piece of propaganda.

[dsc]

30. Frankly I find that a bit hard to believe

and we are taking the charter schools at face value to be believing it. Why would the boys' families be applying to those schools only to decline the acceptance. If they were going to other charter schools, the only reasonable explanation, then the total number of boys should be close to the same. There is only one plausible explanation if this is true, and it still would suggest fewer total boys being accepted. That is that a small group of boys is being accepted at multiple schools and can only attend one of them. If the same group of boys are being accepted at multiple schools while girls are only being accepted at one, then the total number of boys being accepted, the acceptance rate, would have to be lower.

[bettyellen]

34. Or instead of wild guesses, you could read the stats in the report.

[dsc]

36. that are provided by CHARTER schools

who have been known, as in OVER AND OVER, to be caught lying.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. Are you saying that parents send girls to private school because they don't deserve public school?

Assault on science case study #55.

Observation: In the absence of school rules requiring equal access and due process, boys are the first one kicked out.

Conclusion: Male privilege! Those second graders know they can make way more money as commercial fishermen. Patriarchy! Those horrible proto-men were removed because they are lazy, stupid and violent! Parental bias! public school will toughen up those boys and make them able to compete in the real world. We don't want to give daughters that advantage because on account of we don't like 'em as much so we send them to private schools.

something male privilege something something.

[Ms. Toad]

25. The post you responded to said nothing about why parents might make that choice.

All it said was correlation is not causation. The allegation was that the difference was due to discrimination, and I provided a non-discriminatory explanation for the difference in enrollment: The applicant pool may not be split evenly and - even if it is split evenly (assuming acceptance proportional to applications) parents of girls may choose to enroll at a higher rate than parents of boys. Whatever their personal motivations, that explanation has nothing to do with discrimination.

I'm not playing MRA strawman with you today.

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Discrimination by parents is also discrimination. nt

[Ms. Toad]

27. I'm not playing MRA strawman today. n/t

[bettyellen]

5. what I read in that was that girls are more likely to choose to go to charters when admitted...

than boys are, possibly because they have strongers arts and humanities programs, and less emphasis on sports?

Are all charters using lotteries? It says the resuts of lotteries, gender wise, line up to offer attendence at same rates as the applications. What would be fairer in terms of choosing students?

Would we suggest that they start pushing sports instead of academics or something? Honestly if the schools are better than the alternatives, shame on the parents for opting out when offered a place. That sucks for boys, having parents who short sell them in terms of education.

[The Straight Story]

8. Can't be true. They are privileged.

[bettyellen]

10. may I point out the schools ALL have doors? Run with it, SS...

[The Straight Story]

11. I am teaching a class on doors now at schools

Titled: "Doors - opening up the world to hate"

Synopsis: We cover the use of doors in oppression of females in society. This is a companion course to "Giving compliments - How 'you look nice today' is a sign of sexual aggression", "When looking is leering, the importance of checking your stop watch", and our newest edition "Keeping a balanced checklist for reference - how to record your every interaction with people to prove you treat them equally when rendering assistance and how to seek out those in need to balance the books".

Investigating the power of kindness and it's affects on the person you acted upon, how to prove to a person before opening a door for them your intentions (which are assumed to be sexist) are acts of random kindness and not lust based (The checklist used in our other class only applies to straight people, if you are bi you cannot prove your intention was not lust based. Gay female to straight female door opening usually does not require proof as the person benefiting from the opening usually only appears to worry about men doing so).

We are also conducting a study this semester with a 500,000 dollar grant. We will need volunteers to open doors and others to question the person the door was opened for (Do you feel repressed by the act, were you scared, feel obligated to go through the door, would a company policy of no door holding be something you would like to see, and many more).

Will let you know how it goes. We will fight this oppression!

[bettyellen]

12. darn, was hoping for some smokers praying for guns at school....

[Demo_Chris]

31. Hillarious. Always good to start the day with a chuckle. nt

[Supersedeas]

24. Wow...you went there.

[AverageJoe90]

13. Unfortunate if really true.

Although, to be honest, I doubt the MRAs will do anything but whine about how every feminist is a Valerie Solanas copy or a potential Lorena Babbitt(never mind that men can be feminists as well, and that most feminists are nothing like Valerie Solanas), et cetera.....they just don't care.

[RebelOne]

14. My daughter is a teacher at a charter school in South Florida,

and the majority of her disruptive students are male. One boy curses at her in Spanish. She has lived in South Florida all of her life and understands a lot of Spanish. She has sent this boy to the principal's office numerous times.

[BrotherIvan]

18. Boys are often behavior problems when compared to females

But in public school, they have to deal with them and learn ways to overcome behavior problems. Charter schools just kick them out. That's why they would most likely be kicking out a higher percentage of males.

[elehhhhna]

19. that is what the study says - along with boys needing

more "special ed" than girls - which the charters don't have to provide, and there you have it.

[BrotherIvan]

20. Charter schools will ruin a community

Wait until all the public schools are closed down and then your child gets kicked out of his charter? What are you going to do now? People have got to push back hard against the charter movement because it is a cancer and it's spreading. The excuse that "boys want to do sports" is covering over the real problem: that charters do whatever they can to make money and look good. If your kid gets in the way of either of those two objectives, they're out.

[Chathamization]

35. It’s a huge problem.

They’ve been pretty aggressive about closing down schools with low enrollment here (mostly in the poorer areas). They’re sold off to developer buddies for a song, and the money is used to fund tax cuts for millionaires and building stadiums for privately-owned sports teams (seriously).

The remaining public schools get more overcrowded. Time was, people who had worse neighborhood schools would send their kids to out of boundary public schools, but the overcrowding has made it so that it’s not an option anymore for most (hell, even many in-boundary kids can’t get into their neighborhood public school these days). Still, when the money comes for renovations, it goes to the richer public schools that are already doing well (since they’re the ones in demand).

Diversity in education is great, but one doesn’t need a charter school for that. We have alternative public schools focusing on the arts, technical training, and alternative education techniques.

Charter schools are one piece of the current educational crisis, where politicians (even supposedly liberal ones) are happily dismantling the education system and throwing the less fortunate members of society to the wolves.

[bettyellen]

21. The study says the disparity is mainly because they decline to attend...

Why are boys families making these choices?

[elehhhhna]

29. If that is being reported by the chartes schools, do you trust it's true?

People apply then decline when they're accepted? Huh?

[DemocraticWing]

15. Charter Schools are a blight on our education system.

You only need to look at the economic inequality fostered by the higher education system full of private institutions to see how they will ruin education in this country.