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mother earth

(6,002 posts)
Thu May 15, 2014, 05:47 PM May 2014

It Sails through Congress...How to Take from Poor & Keep Giving to The Corp Rich

Congress Takes From The Poor, Gives To The Corporate Rich
The most dysfunctional Congress in U.S. history has finally found something that can attract bipartisan support: an expensive package of tax breaks that mostly benefit corporate interests.

By a vote of 96-3, the Senate this week approved an $85 billion bundle of breaks known as "extenders," so named because they supposedly expire every two years. In reality, these breaks have become an all-but-permanent part of the tax code, costing the Treasury billions of dollars a year in lost revenue. Though the House has introduced rival legislation, some version of the Senate bill is likely to win final passage.

The tax breaks sailed through the Senate without any corresponding spending cuts elsewhere in the budget, despite arms, such as General Electric and Morgan Stanley, to avoid paying U.S. taxes on interest income earned abroad. Extending this "active financing" exemption for two years will cost $10.3 billion, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation. Another extender, the "CFC look-through," which lets companies defer paying taxes on royalty income, will cost $2.4 billion in lost revenue. previous demands by Republicans that any new legislation must not increase the federal deficit. They passed even as Republicans, often preaching fiscal responsibility, have forced cuts to food stamps and refused to extend long-term unemployment benefits, measures that would cost much less than the buffet table of giveaways contemplated under the bill.

Included in the $85 billion proposal is an expensive break used primarily by large multinational companies with lending

The bill also includes a bizarre collection of breaks that benefit a few wealthy interests, including millions of dollars in savings for builders of Nascar speedways and owners of race horses.


More:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/15/corporate-tax-extenders_n_5331517.html
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It Sails through Congress...How to Take from Poor & Keep Giving to The Corp Rich (Original Post) mother earth May 2014 OP
Please! Those are meant to help us, the American people. 2pooped2pop May 2014 #1
Well, it does trickle down. Didn't you hear? Enthusiast May 2014 #18
Hey, us Lucky Duckies have to sacrifice -occasionally-! Shandris May 2014 #2
Oh, the job creators will trickle that down to us. progressoid May 2014 #3
"Hope!" "Change!" "Yes We Can!" blkmusclmachine May 2014 #4
Some don't even pay taxes in the first place. lpbk2713 May 2014 #5
What happened to "The Sequester". bvar22 May 2014 #6
K & R !!! WillyT May 2014 #7
HAS NOT PASSED, according to your link... JackRiddler May 2014 #8
TY for the updated clarification. Sanders has said that there are some very good and some very mother earth May 2014 #14
It's a club, and we aint in it. nt Demo_Chris May 2014 #9
Carlin alert! Vilis Veritas May 2014 #12
But they are the job creators. zeemike May 2014 #10
Where is onecaliberal May 2014 #11
Easier said than done. This just creates more apathy among eligible voters. They > YOHABLO May 2014 #13
The real challenge for progressives is to get progressive candidates, I can't smile and get on the mother earth May 2014 #16
Sadly onecaliberal May 2014 #21
I am sending you a PM. truedelphi May 2014 #29
Okay. onecaliberal May 2014 #32
I was wondering why there's never any money to help Detroit. Octafish May 2014 #15
I don't know who they are, but I do agree, the crumbs don't turn the troubling points into a victory mother earth May 2014 #17
The wealthiest nation in history and wealth's holders need more tax breaks? Octafish May 2014 #19
I scream every time I hear someone say that the country is broke & we can't afford social programs. CrispyQ May 2014 #22
'Meme' is right. Octafish May 2014 #24
Did you catch Stockman on C Span last November? truedelphi May 2014 #30
Not a dimes bit of difference..... Hotler May 2014 #20
The teaparty can march cuz most of them are retired. CrispyQ May 2014 #23
That's quite a signature line, and I like Mr. Fish's visual...quite timely... mother earth May 2014 #28
Nothing is going to change, until it falls, and fall it will. You cannot rule by corruption and mother earth May 2014 #27
The three votes against this MissMillie May 2014 #25
And I thought welfare recipients were just lazy ass bums PumpkinAle May 2014 #26
It didn't pass, but ProSense May 2014 #31
No it's not conflating issues, it's expected to pass. To gain broad support some of the crumbs were mother earth May 2014 #33

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
6. What happened to "The Sequester".
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:03 PM
May 2014

Wasn't The Sequester supposed to stop this nonsense?
I KNOW it is stopping money going to Poor People & the Safety Net.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
8. HAS NOT PASSED, according to your link...
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:14 PM
May 2014

Currently at the end of this article it reads:

Clarification: An earlier version of this story suggested the extender bill had passed the Senate in a final vote. In fact, it only passed an early procedural test, and on Thursday it got hung up when Republicans filibustered the bill for procedural reasons. It is still widely expected to pass.


Furthermore, I see you have a Sanders avatar. Unless he was the 1 non-voter out of 100, here's your bad news for you:

In order to attract broad support, the extenders package also renews more popular deductions, including the research and development credit, a write-off for teachers who buy school supplies and a break that lets homeowners sell at a loss without incurring a big tax bill. (Not everyone marched in lockstep: the only votes against the Senate bill came from three Tea Party-affiliated Republicans).

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
14. TY for the updated clarification. Sanders has said that there are some very good and some very
Fri May 16, 2014, 07:52 AM
May 2014

terrible provisions of this package.

If you read the article, you'll see the actual percentage of the write-off for teachers...the fact is, that we can ok huge R&D write offs for corps like Google, et al, and yeah, we'll throw in a few crumbs along with the meat, but the meat is really the heart of the matter.

My "bad news"? Sanders tends to vote with the dems, now why would that be bad news for any DU'er? The bad news is, they could have actually also thrown in the crumb of unemployment benefits, which the dems have been trying to pass, and chose not to, the only reason the GOP is not voting to pass this at this point is because they want to re-write and throw in more shit for the l% giveaway and maybe slash some points of "Obamacare"....this is just yet another WTF moment in a series, and more (with the updated clarification) of do-nothing BS, that our broken gov't is becoming famous for.

As much as I'd like to say the tea party is wrong about everything, there are times when they have a point, instead of shitting on those points, it might be better to look at what part is good and utilize it to actually clean up the shit sandwich in some of these bills, and there are plenty points to consider. Don't be blinded by party allegiance while we collectively get fucked, even if we are getting a nice little crumb along the way.

It's like everything else, including health care, we are giving away everything while we pretend the crumbs are monumental victories, and then the irony of those tea party asshats that think any GOP'er speaks for the people is added salt to the wound(s).

Haven't we all had enough of everyone speaking out of both sides of their mouths? While the winners remain the l%...the plutocracy...

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
10. But they are the job creators.
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:32 PM
May 2014

And they will get around to creating some jobs just as soon as they all have at least 4 vacation homes and a 100 yacht.

onecaliberal

(32,777 posts)
11. Where is
Thu May 15, 2014, 07:47 PM
May 2014

the fucking pay for? Oh yeah when you bend over 99% of us you don't need a pay for. We need to get rid of every last one of these rotten pieces of corporate owned shit.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
13. Easier said than done. This just creates more apathy among eligible voters. They >
Thu May 15, 2014, 08:48 PM
May 2014

throw up their hands and say: I'm through, there's nothing I can do to change things .. why show up. The challenge for us progressives is huge and the work we have to do is very hard. Trying to educate and make sure people show up at the polls. I guess we'll soon see.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
16. The real challenge for progressives is to get progressive candidates, I can't smile and get on the
Fri May 16, 2014, 08:00 AM
May 2014

HRC bandwagon, I just can't. I'm hoping Sanders or Warren jump in, because I don't know if I can stomach more promises of hope and change, unless we actually see some actual hope and change delivered. Not likely, is it?

I don't care about a woman running for president, unless it's a woman that's going to put an end to this hijacking. We don't need any more centrist candidates we need radical, progressive, in your face democracy. You think we will get it? That's the challenge, we aren't likely to get anything we want, we'll get everything the plutocracy wants. They run the show, the courts, all offices, they truly do. It's how our system is set up....money trumps all.

onecaliberal

(32,777 posts)
21. Sadly
Fri May 16, 2014, 10:35 AM
May 2014

You are spot on. I will never forfeit my vote after so many have died for the right. I too am sick to death of third way supposed centrist candidates. It's not even a matter of fixing a few things anymore. The system is corrupt from end to end. I don't know how people throw their hands up and sit out the vote, the answer in part is massive democratic turnout across the country to boot corporate candidates of all stripes. Personally for me candidates with big money backing is a red flag. It's a liabity. I know a vote for them is a vote for what we have now.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. I was wondering why there's never any money to help Detroit.
Fri May 16, 2014, 07:58 AM
May 2014

Ever. Or to help any other town, for that matter.

Tell you what, though: I'd probably like to support those 3 senators who voted "No." Anyone know who they are?

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
17. I don't know who they are, but I do agree, the crumbs don't turn the troubling points into a victory
Fri May 16, 2014, 08:06 AM
May 2014

and I don't think it's smart to write off points based on party allegiance, even if they are made by the tea party. Though I'm going by another DU'ers word on this.

Knowing that US PIRG was against this is enough for me at this point, at least they see the meat of the issue for what it is.

Why is there never money to do what's right? We know, sadly.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
19. The wealthiest nation in history and wealth's holders need more tax breaks?
Fri May 16, 2014, 08:17 AM
May 2014

David Stockman said 7/8 of ALL WEALTH in human history has been created since 1981. Pruneface's budget guru must've added up all the GDP and estimated the stuff from the middle ages to the present. His point is that most of THAT has ended up in the pockets of the plutocrats.



In 1985, the top five percent of the households – the wealthiest five percent – had net worth of $8 trillion – which is a lot. Today, after serial bubble after serial bubble, the top five per cent have net worth of $40 trillion. The top five per cent have gained more wealth than the whole human race had created prior to 1980.” -- David Stockman, Ronald Reagan's budget director

SOURCE: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/10/28/60minutes/main6999906_page4.shtml

And there are kids in America who would go to bed hungry every night because their parents are out of work.

CrispyQ

(36,420 posts)
22. I scream every time I hear someone say that the country is broke & we can't afford social programs.
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:30 AM
May 2014

We are not broke! We have revenue streams that our legislators refuse to touch because their masters won't let them. But even among average Americans I hear the meme that we are broke.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. 'Meme' is right.
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:49 AM
May 2014

Toss in Corporate McPravda squawking it 24/7/365(6) and we got a problem that requires, ah, executive leadership.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
30. Did you catch Stockman on C Span last November?
Fri May 16, 2014, 03:57 PM
May 2014

He went on quite a rant about how awfully disgusting both parties are.

Like some of us here on DU, he knows the system as it is is broken.

I mean, back in the Reagan era, the word "tariff" was still used in this country. Super Conservative Republicans still held power and they understood what it means to keep a country a democracy and they wanted tariffs kept in place to protect jobs here.



Hotler

(11,394 posts)
20. Not a dimes bit of difference.....
Fri May 16, 2014, 08:17 AM
May 2014

Different sides of the same coin. Ninety eight percent of our elected official's are bought and paid for by the PTB. Keystone pipeline will go through and Net neutrality will die. Nothing is going to change until we get fighting mad. We should be marching on Washington instead of the tea party shit stains.

CrispyQ

(36,420 posts)
23. The teaparty can march cuz most of them are retired.
Fri May 16, 2014, 11:46 AM
May 2014

For the rest of us, however, too many still have too much to lose. How do you march DC if you only have two weeks vacation? Even if you march locally, how much time do people have after working 8+ hours a day. How many people will risk getting arrested if they are worried about losing their job? I try not to get despondent about the whole mess, but shit, I don't see any change until the it collapses. The electoral system is totally corrupt & compromised, the media has sold out to the highest bidder, the People no longer feel voting makes a difference & the average American has so little down time that when they do, they just want to be entertained, they don't want to read about the scoundrels in DC.



mother earth

(6,002 posts)
27. Nothing is going to change, until it falls, and fall it will. You cannot rule by corruption and
Fri May 16, 2014, 02:21 PM
May 2014

deceit. The sea of change is all around us, we are seeing what truly is, we realize all is not well.

Getting fighting mad is one thing, how do you fight? You cannot, not by old standards, these are strange times, where Orwellian memes rule the day. When we can call it what it is, without shame or apology, because this is not our doing, it is simply not a construct of we the people, this is when change will occur.

The oligarchy would have us believe blame for the failures of our democracy lie at our feet, but corruption is not cause and effect, it is a state brought about by abuse of power and money. When the courts fail us, where is justice? Don't blame the victims, the abusers time is coming.

When people band together, and say loud and clear that it will no longer be tolerated, it will end. It doesn't take one man, it takes all men. Are we there yet? One thing is for certain, we are well on our way, wisdom wrought through pain. Centrism has bought us all this pain, the middle of the road means not taking a stand against all that's wrong, and some are still brainwashed into believing it is the only route, esp. here at DU. Crumbs are not victories, they are tiny appeasements....meant to quiet the victims.

PumpkinAle

(1,210 posts)
26. And I thought welfare recipients were just lazy ass bums
Fri May 16, 2014, 01:54 PM
May 2014

........... oh that's right it's okay to be a lazy ass bum so long as you are a member of the corporate rich and it is just totally wrong if you have to go from paycheck to paycheck or have no paycheck at all.

The hypocrisy and double standards coming out of Congress stinks to high heaven.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
31. It didn't pass, but
Fri May 16, 2014, 04:02 PM
May 2014

"Congress Takes From The Poor, Gives To The Corporate Rich "

...this piece is conflating issues.

Dysfunctional Senate fails to extend wind tax credit
http://grist.org/politics/dysfunctional-senate-fails-to-extend-wind-tax-credit/

Energy Efficiency Sabotaged

Senate Republicans this week blocked a modest energy bill that would have tightened efficiency guidelines for new federal buildings. It also included tax incentives to make homes and commercial buildings more efficient. The bill was sponsored by a Democrat and a Republican, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen and Rob Portman. It had 14 cosponsors, seven Republican and seven Democrats. But on a crucial vote, only two Republicans voted to keep the bill alive. Why was the bill sabotaged? Sen. Bernie Sanders on Thursday told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes that the energy efficiency bill is just the latest example of how obstructionist Republicans have kept the Senate from acting on ideas supported by overwhelming majorities of Americans

Watch Sanders and Chris Hayes on MSNBC

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/recent-business/energy-efficiency-sabotaged



mother earth

(6,002 posts)
33. No it's not conflating issues, it's expected to pass. To gain broad support some of the crumbs were
Fri May 16, 2014, 07:29 PM
May 2014

added...so you can feel good about the screwing we are about to get again.

Hey, nobody loves Sanders more than I do, but even he admits there are some good things with some very terrible things in this mixed bag.

It's a shit sandwich being served up, with a side of green energy and a pittance for teacher expense write-offs.

Eat up.

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