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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:25 PM

1. Mercy



Wishing you peace.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:29 PM

2. The more who participate at DU, the better. You should reconsider.

 

Otherwise, you lose the opportunity to change minds.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
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Response to randome (Reply #2)

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:09 PM

104. I agree!

Don't leave!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:29 PM

3. Don't let a few clueless people stop you from posting here......

 

This is one topic out of 1000s!

I bet most of us agree on 99% of progressive topics.

Ignore it and stay here!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:31 PM

4. I have to support Skinner's viewpoint on this....

 

You wrote....

If you are a parent of a child with disabilities make sure you never bring up those disabilities during any sort of contentious debate on this site because if you do then according to what Skinner told me your disabled child can be attacked by other people posting on this site.


Sorry...but I've brought up my kid's autism many a time. The one time I had a problem, the jury took care or it. But I accept that it was my choice to bring it up...ultimately, the system here provides limited cover.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:32 PM

5. You're misreading what Skinner said.

 

He did not say anyone has the right to attack your brother. I don't know how you get that. He leaves these things up to community standards. The community hid some of those posts and the poster was locked out of your thread.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #5)

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:40 PM

77. There was a link to those posts in the question.

If Skinner read the question and saw the links and looked at what was said, then what Bjorn is saying is exactly right. Skinner basically is saying that if you mention a family member on DU, then anyone has a right to attack that family member, even if those allegations they are making against your family member are patently false. In other words, tough shit. That is awful.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #77)

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:42 PM

78. You're both putting words in Skinner's mouth.

 

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Response to pintobean (Reply #78)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:11 PM

79. No, that is what came out of his mouth.

The question was very clear. The posters (both of them, but that second one in particular) both made false accusations and attacked Bjorn and his brother. Skinner's answer was basically tough shit. That is that. Deal with it. How can you not see that?

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #79)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:22 PM

80. No, this is what he posted

 

If you start a thread about your family...

...you should not be surprised if people discuss your family. Particularly if you are injecting your family into a highly contentious topic.


From the beginning of DU3, admin has stood by jury decisions, whether they agree with them or not. The juries did what they did. What would you have Skinner do?

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Response to pintobean (Reply #78)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:49 PM

84. Putting words in people's mouths is a vital part of the game of DU

You wait for someone to post. Draw the most questionable implications possible from what was said, assume that it was meant in the worst way possible, and take great umbrage at what was said. Then you alert on it. If your alert succeeds you take that as vindication and you use the opportunity to gloat and make further claims in the thread where the other participant is unable to refute you. If your alert fails, you berate those anonymous cowards on the jury for the injustice they have abetted. You may even start another thread about or ask the administration. Asking administration is risky though because if they fail to give you the satisfaction of agreeing with you, you have to either lump it. leave in a huff, or denounce admins until they ban you.

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Response to JVS (Reply #84)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:41 PM

87. Spot on

 



Skinner didn't say anything wrong there.

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Response to JVS (Reply #84)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:55 PM

92. That's it, in a nutshell.

 

You know who you are ...

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Response to JVS (Reply #84)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:36 AM

108. Exactly so, and aptly put. n/t

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Response to JVS (Reply #84)

Wed May 28, 2014, 07:13 AM

120. Sad, but true (nt)

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #77)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:46 PM

90. I agree n/t

 

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #77)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:25 PM

139. Nope. Here's link, and Skinner is exactly right. OP started it by using his family as an example

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025000016

OP started the thread using his family as an example in the second paragraph. He claims that anything said against mentally ill people that he interprets as a negative is an attack on his family and thus he claims he didn't drag his family into threads on DU. But he wrote:

I have a brother with schizophrenia and when I see people on what is supposed to be a progressive website suggest we should lock up mentally ill people who have committed no crime I see it as a direct attack on my family.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:32 PM

6. I'm sorry to see you go. Best wishes to you and your family... (nt)

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:33 PM

7. i didn't read any of those threads

 

I thought there would have been a balanced discussion.
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maybe I will look at some and address some of the less than appropriate comments.
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I can't find an objection to someone leaving a discussion place to better take care of themselves or family.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:35 PM

8. Please stay

~PEACE~

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:39 PM

9. We need you. We have to

pull together and help each other. How can we win in the coming Novembers if we don't? Don't leave. They are a tiny minority who make attacks like that while we are trying to build it all up.

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Response to nilesobek (Reply #9)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:34 AM

115. This ^^^^

We need all hands on deck. Period.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:40 PM

10. Good luck with everything; and I hope this becomes a break rather than

a permanent departure.

Bryant

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:41 PM

11. Peace be with you.

I'll try to keep up here where you leave off.

I'm angry about these attacks upon ourselves, and upon our families.

Most people here, I believe, support you.

Our society is very ill. Do what you must to protect yourself, your family, and your community.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:45 PM

12. I definitely see and understand the need to back away from this site.

It seems to me that it has become far more right wing and uncivil recently than it ever has been before.

There are some people who turn into rabid animals when faced with the prospect of losing their toys, and sadly, many of them are here on DU, and even more sadly, they are mostly allowed to run rampant.

Best wishes to you and your family, and maybe you can find a friendlier forum to post in somewhere.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #12)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:52 PM

16. Let me second everything Crunchy said, and add to it that I will be very sad to see you go.

I have very much enjoyed your posts. I hope after some much-needed time away, it sounds like, you might reconsider. There's good and bad in this place, but still a lot of good, and still a lot of us who understand and empathize with your plight.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #12)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:07 PM

26. This is so true which is why I spend less and less time here:

It seems to me that it has become far more right wing and uncivil recently than it ever has been before.


The lack of compassion for those not as fortunate as, apparently some on this site are lucky enough to be, is increasingly apparent, never more than when people were trouble getting HC.

Or maybe I just had the wrong impression of the 'Left'. Maybe they never were what they purported to be during the Bush years. Whatever it is, it's a huge turnoff to those who are involved in politics to try to make this a better country.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #26)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:22 PM

53. "Maybe they never were what they purported to be"

IMO any left organization or group can and probably will be cooped by people who are not really the left at all...but people hungry for power, and money...and the money and power is in right wing policies.

But you are right...health care showed it to me as well...when the left was forced to praise a right wing HC system of private for profit insurance, that will put billions in the pockets of insurance CEOs...because a Democrat did it.

And so the left abandons it's principles and the right laughs it's ass off.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #53)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:45 PM

71. Well said. nt

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Response to zeemike (Reply #53)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:21 AM

116. That's it, exactly.



It is quite disturbing.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #12)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:27 PM

41. Spot on!

It seems to me that it has become far more right wing and uncivil recently than it ever has been before.


^^^^^^^This!^^^^^^^

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #12)

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:38 PM

76. Agreed.

That poster should not have been allowed to make hideous baseless accusations and the other poster didn't even bother to use "if" to sneak those accusations through. This place is far too right wing lately. Not only that, but cashing in on the right wing that hang out here and over on the new forums to the detriment of long time DUers is atrocious. I am truly disgusted. I rarely even come here any more. I may leave too. This is NOT the place it used to be, in any way, shape or form now. It is overrun with homophobic, sexist, racist, scary people who want to round up all mentally ill people, and all sorts of other bigotry. Allowing someone to accuse someone of not properly locking their brother away when their brother is NOT violent is hideous. That leaves more than a bad taste in my mouth. That is truly disgusting.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:48 PM

13. Thats quite a post.

 

I'm speechless

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:51 PM

14. I'm sorry to read about what happened

and I am very so you are hurt from all of this. Maybe just taking a break and ignoring people like those who you feel attacked you would help. ~hugs~

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:52 PM

15. Sorry that you had to go through that. I understand where you are coming from and...

 

I understand Skinner's point as well.

I think when people post personal stuff here it should be treated with kid gloves. You can't know everything that someone has gone through, all of the context, etc. and attacking someone or someone's family like that is just not OK.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:54 PM

17. this was your opportunity

to educate.
For your own peace of mind, please review the tone you projected in your posts. You made it about your family and kept it on a personal level.
You are in a position to inform and educate because most discussions about mental health are abstract. You have first hand experience that is valuable in understanding the true toll of mental illness on families and the misconceptions that are out there.
In other words, it may have been more constructive to express what you know about mental illness rather than making it about your brother.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #17)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:09 PM

49. This is the best advice I've read in this post. Please heed it if you are strong enough. You can

make a difference. You already have with this thread. Because you are speaking personally and putting yourself

out there you are unshielded, but you have touched so many and helped them to realize that there are all kinds of

mental illnesses and mental illness is not all inclusive.

This is a reactionary time for many who are talking out of fear. They want to stop this horrible violence and they are

striking out in the darkness of unresponsiveness that the gun sellers have cultured. Your time here is important yet if your

are needed by your brother more, of course that is your duty.

You have and will help us learn if you can handle the stings of those resisting your expressions of your

experiences. Stay if you can.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:55 PM

18. I support Skinner's decision on this.

Hope you come back to us soon.



-Laelth

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:57 PM

19. Trust me, you don't need DU.

Coming here is mostly comic relief for me.

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Response to Puzzledtraveller (Reply #19)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:37 AM

130. You won't be missed if I never see you again ...

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Response to sunnystarr (Reply #130)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:29 PM

141. I would hope not.

This is not real life.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:58 PM

20. ...

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:58 PM

21. Sorry to see you go, Bjorn. You seem like a decent fellow.

 

I wish all the best for your brother, as well.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:59 PM

22. That's some cold shit from Skinner.

If there WERE any community standards here the jury system couldn't be used to embolden assholish behavior.

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Response to Gormy Cuss (Reply #22)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:05 PM

25. Thanks for saying that. I was thinking of how to word what you said.

 

And you said it better than I could have.

What Community Standards? The lowest common denominator of standards way too often wins and it's a 'too bad, so sad, better luck next time' attitude.

DU teachers and school marms are to open up the DU College to Oppose Grossness and educate the sick and demented. yah, that's gonna work.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 01:59 PM

23. Bjorn there's lots of idiots on DU who JUST.DO.NOT.GET.IT.

you fight 'em and if you tag them as people too stupid to deal with you put them on Ignore......there's really no need for you to leave

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:04 PM

24. Skinner's feedback was spot on.

No one was attacking your brother, by the way.

I'll see you when you come back. DU members like you can't stay away for long.

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #24)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:50 PM

33. ahh, yes they were attacking his brother

 

they did not go to his house, just implicated him by innuendo

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Response to aikoaiko (Reply #24)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:17 PM

138. Yes. OP started a thread & wrote about brother in second paragraph:

Now the OP claims he never injected his family into a thread and is surprised at the response in his thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025000016

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:19 PM

27. Does it seem like Skinner is becoming an apologist for every jury decision?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11876548#post85

is it necessary to defend the jury system by giving people a hard time when a jury goes against them?






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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:23 PM

28. I respect your courage in posting about something so personal to you.

I'm sorry that there is a lot of ugliness on DU, especially now. I firmly believe that the other site has given "license" to some full throated trolling of this site as well. Whether that will be contained--or change the very nature of DU, remains to be seen.

Regardless, I hope you will take a temporary time out. There are still a lot of good people on this site who care about creating a better world--for all of us.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:24 PM

29. I'm sorry to see you leave.

And sorry about why you feel the need to leave. Take care, and I do hope at some point you feel able to come back.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:25 PM

30. DU has become hostile to many minorities

look no further than:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4949246 (unhidden, unlocked, and no chiding of the OP)

Is "Asian Privilege" really something we need to tackle with the help of a racist website?

but you can post racist rantings against Asians, just don't post anything in Japanese. the latter is justifiably hidden, the former not so much.

nice liberal site here. wonder how much whiter it will be after all is said and done.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #30)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:38 PM

55. du has a lot of

Bullies who tried to force people to just think like they do or feel that if someone has a different opinion than thembut they are not a true progressive hey

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:38 PM

31. I wish you had Skinners support, because in the end, YOU are advocating not only for your brother

but for far too many who are not able to defend themselves against myths, stereotypes, propaganda
and bigotry toward people with mental health problems.

I am sorry to see you go because you're sensitive and knowledgeable and a very cool person to stand
up to the noise that has been further intensified by gun violence..your brother is not responsible for
our state of affairs.

I wish you well, and perhaps if you change your mind at some point, know that many here
do understand and will continue to support you.

Best to you and yours.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #31)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:52 PM

34. this

 

I wish you had Skinners support, because in the end, YOU are advocating not only for your brother

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:43 PM

32. even progressives can be jerks sometimes. There's alot of people on this site that don't care if our

education system crumbles just as long as there is a democrat in office. That is all that matters to some people and as a mother of an autistic son I feel that is an attack on my family. I've even seen posts where some claim that autism is just another silly over diagnosed illness so that the pharmaceutical industry can make more money. I don't post here nearly as often as I used to. I don't blame you for being pissed.

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Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #32)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:59 PM

36. Shame on them for posting such ignorance..sorry to hear that occurred at DU. n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 02:55 PM

35. I went through a couple of the threads

 

I regret not posting there earlier. I wished I had supported your posts at the time.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:08 PM

37. Sorry to see a long time, positive contributor like you leave Bjorn.

I believe you received a lot more positive support in those threads than negative though, but because of the sensitive nature of the issue the negative responses are obscuring the greater love and compassion DU'ers on the whole are capable of expressing.

Please consider taking a break, and return when you feel comfortable to do so.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:11 PM

38. I'm sorry your brother was attacked. I enjoy your posts and

hope you decide to stay or come back at some point to educate people more on this subject.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:18 PM

39. Good luck to you. I'm sorry

 

for what you experienced.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:23 PM

40. I'm sorry this happened to you, Bjorn.

Most people here are decent, but it really sucks that a few can muck it up so badly. I wish you'd stay and educate the ignorant ones, but certainly understand if you choose to stay away.

Peace to you and yours.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:35 PM

42. I'm sorry I didn't jump into your earlier threads to help defend you and your family.

Mental health issues affect my family personally as well. It hits home, and I get emotional about it, and so I tend to avoid threads like that like the plague.

I wish you and your family the best, and I hope you'll feel like coming back to DU sometime in the future. We need your voice.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:41 PM

43. I am sorry to see you leave.

You seem thoughtful and speak well. I usually agree with you and even when I don't, there is always a point to ponder. Your words have value, don't be silent. If not here, then post somewhere.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 03:57 PM

45. Thank you for standing up against bigotry.

I am a person who has a mental health 'diagnosis.' I am a family member of loved ones with mental health 'diagnoses.' I am also a mental health professional, and an educator of other mental health professionals.

As each and every one of those things, I want to say thank you for consistently and openly challenging stereotypes about people with mental health issues.

All the best to you and your family.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:02 PM

46. You might be taking what is said on an Internet message board way too seriously.

You are going to encounter a wide range of people on Net message boards. And some of them will be not so nice. Moderating can only go so far in correcting this problem. But I certainly would not hold it against the entire site just because a few people made insensitive remarks about your brother. Welcome to the real world my friend.

If I were you I would stick around and then when someone makes what you consider an insensitive remark about the mentally ill challenge them and explain to them why they are wrong.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #46)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:50 PM

59. Some people are just jerks...

I agree with you (sometimes I'm one of the jerks). It's best to not let people that you don't know ruin your day.

I don't have anyone on ignore, but there are those that it is best to ignore the old fashioned way.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:03 PM

47. Don't leave. Your experience and insight is needed.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:09 PM

48. That was extremely presumptious of that poster

to say you were part of the problem for trying to help your brother.

That was a vicious thing to say. I'm sorry someone said that to you.


for you, your brother, and your entire family.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:09 PM

50. Please do not leave

My neighbor who has also been diagnosed with schizophrenia is one of the most kind loving people i have ever had the pleasure to meet, the only thing wrong with people who have this is it takes them a little time to trust people, other than that they are a loving individual so please do not leave because some are ignorant.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:16 PM

51. Sadly, we really are considered replaceable and expendable by the admins.

There is no other explanation that covers the fact. It's a business to them, and we work here for free, and they figure it's a never ending supply.

Message boards like this are dying out as a format though. People who can write and curate material to post have a special skill.

We should be listened to, but we aren't. I'm so sorry to see you go. ((hugs))

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #51)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:10 PM

64. It's been a long time since they seemed to care about what goes on here.

It's a pity. There was a time when we were a genuine community.

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Response to QC (Reply #64)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:16 PM

68. Actually, they put it in our hands with DU3

 

We're responsible for what it is.
Blaming admin is just too easy.

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Response to QC (Reply #64)

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:18 PM

74. I see more DUers now on Facebook than here, from those days.

I hang on here, because there are still lots of people here I love to talk to that I wouldn't see otherwise.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #74)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:35 AM

122. You said it

 

They simply do not care

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Response to QC (Reply #64)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:27 PM

82. they aren't even here

it's one thing if they made the conscious decision to not be here.

but to just take off without so much as a statement of that is disappointing.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:20 PM

52. Just curiouss

What other site would you most likely go to?

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:32 PM

54. Why would you let these people drive you away? ...

 

The overwhelming majority posting here are rational compassionate progressives. Others are that, and more, in that they have pet causes and axes to grind and they look for any opportunity to grind them. In this case, the issue is gun control, or in your case gun control fanatics. They aren't going to allow little things like facts, compassion, or empathy stand in the way of their crusade. Your brother might be the sweetest guy since the baby Jesus, but if these folks can get some imaginary internet mileage out of describing him as a potential gun wielding monster, that's what they will do.

Fair? Not at all, but that's the internet, and odds are good we ALL do this to a certain extent with our own pet causes.

In any case, if you are wondering why so few leapt to your defense, it's because most of us know better than to waste our time trying to rationally discuss certain issues here on this website.

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #54)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:16 PM

98. Perhaps you did not read the posts in question ... ?

The vast majority of posters defended the OP (his family) and the mentally ill.

There was a contingent of gun enthusiasts that posted throughout both posts claiming the answer to gun violence was somehow registering the mentally ill .... implying that the mentally ill as a group are prone to violence.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:43 PM

56. Many Blessings for your family, take care. ADW n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:43 PM

57. Your posts and messages are important

Even if you caused one person to think about their biases and preconceived notions ... one person to reconsider how they think about mental illness you succeeded.

Your personal story encouraged others to come forward and share theirs ... that is important.

Whatever you decide I wish you well.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:44 PM

58. Ask your brother

I'm willing to bet he would be saddened if you left.

He and many more here on DU need you and your expertise on how to deal with Mental Health issues.

DU & your Brother want you to reconsider


Me too

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:55 PM

60. I'm sorry this happened to you, you stood up well for your brother. n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:56 PM

61. I am sorry, and you are right. I'm sure if my brother

 

Weren't long dead at his own hand years ago people would not have been so kind.

While it was all happening in my immediate family, we did not have the luxury of easily sharing our story.

I really hope you don't leave.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:57 PM

62. DU is largely a clown parade

 

Taking this place seriously is not a good idea. There are gems here and there but for the most part it is a huge circle jerk.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 04:58 PM

63. Bjorn, I have always enjoyed your posts.

But I completely understand your need to leave, and I support your position in this. I wish you all good things and feel lucky to have crossed paths with you.

Best to you.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:13 PM

66. I can't believe this actually got alerted on. (1-6 LEAVE IT)

On Tue May 27, 2014, 01:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

This is my 10,000th and final post on DU, I need to support my family
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025006582

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This post violates subsection of the TOS prohibiting whining about DU. Further, Skinner answered him and now that he doesn't like Skinner's answer, he wants to cry to GD. His situation is sad but that doesn't give him leeway to violate the rules.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 27, 2014, 02:03 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Keep it. The bullies have taken over DU and have made it a crueler, stupider place than it was just a short time ago. Now they want to silence those who point out their cruelty and stupidity. I won't go along with that. Bjorn Again is right--there is shocking prejudice against the mentally ill here.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A ridiculous alert. And a ridiculous response from Skinner. I really hope he reads this OP and changes his mind.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: whining about DU
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Why bother? They're not coming back anyway.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.


Just for the record, I was juror #2

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Response to PoliticalPothead (Reply #66)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:22 PM

69. ....

 

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Keep it. The bullies have taken over DU and have made it a crueler, stupider place than it was just a short time ago. Now they want to silence those who point out their cruelty and stupidity. I won't go along with that. Bjorn Again is right--there is shocking prejudice against the mentally ill here.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: A ridiculous alert.

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Response to PoliticalPothead (Reply #66)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:25 PM

81. whomever alerted made a familiar mistake, they called the SOP of this forum, the "TOS"

i've argued with a poster who does that, funny, another who agrees with them on many things also calls the SOP, the "TOS".

seems like they are the source of the alert. i wonder which account?

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #81)

Tue May 27, 2014, 07:36 PM

83. I've noticed a lot of people do that.

 

I wouldn't assume it's one of two. Any member can alert.

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Response to PoliticalPothead (Reply #66)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:05 PM

96. Thuggy McPunitive must've been in an alerting mood today.

 

Ridiculous.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:16 PM

67. I wouldn't let a few usernames run me off this site.

 

And you shouldn't either.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:43 PM

70. I'm very sorry this happened to you! Please consider a break instead.

I would miss your posts.

All thebest to you, your brother, and your whole family.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:49 PM

72. Post #46 echoed my thoughts. The only thing I would add, is I generally don't think its a good idea

 

to talk about very personal information, on any public website. Because there are assholes and others who will either be rude or even try and take advantage of that information. It may be repulsive and sickening, but it is true. Sadly true.

The only people who I would tell very intimate and personal information are my close (real life) friends.

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Response to quinnox (Reply #72)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:19 PM

133. Nor do I "think it's a good idea to talk about very personal information...

 

on any public website."

Just asking for a blow to the solar plexus, if you ask me. Who the hell knows who or what really lurks behind any user name on a publicly accessible site?

There are too many sadists out there, just looking for the opportunity to stick it to somebody. Automatically expecting empathy and understanding from anonymous posters, even on a nominally "liberal" site, is unrealistic.

That being said, if you read this Bjorn, I'm sorry you feel hurt and hope you reconsider your decision to leave.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 05:51 PM

73. Peace to you and yours

After a vacation (I took 2 years off once) use Ignore and Hide Thread liberally. I mean it.

In the meantime, Peace.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 06:36 PM

75. Good luck Bjorn...

I hope to see you return when you're ready.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:08 PM

85. may you never again experience the cruelty and hate that has become typical of DU

I've seen a lot of abusive behavior online over the last 20 years, but nothing remotely comparable to what goes on here.

Thanks for your efforts to enlighten. The urge to stereotype and scapegoat is the essence of human destructiveness; the mentally ill happened to be the target du jour. You did your best and the failure of communication is not yours!

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Response to carolinayellowdog (Reply #85)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:44 PM

89. Very well said.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:41 PM

86. Your quality of life will likely improve

without DU.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:43 PM

88. Your post is heartbreaking on multiple levels.

The pain of your brother, and of you and your family.

The ruthlessness and cruelty of anonymous posters.

The disregard of the experience from the admin per post it - and you get whatever happens.

The alert on the OP itself, as if it is a problem.

I have been a participant here, since January of 2002. I still read regularly, but I rarely post (partially due to a function of time/life and partially due to the level of vitriol and disregard of humanity that, at times, gets "let loose" on fellow members of the community.)

I haven't read the thread(s) in question, but your description does not sound anomalous. Your post was heartbreaking to read.

May you re-find your peace.

The loss of your voice will be a loss to the community.

salin

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Response to salin (Reply #88)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:05 PM

97. Beautifully said. (nt)

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:49 PM

91. Luckily, I'm friends with you outside of DU/Discussionist

 

I'll catch up with you later, BA! Tough decision, but you have to do what you believe is right, my friend.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:55 PM

93. I'm very sorry you're leaving.



Bigotry towards those with mentall illness and cruelty towards those who support them leaves me cold, I don't, and will never understand it.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 08:59 PM

94. I wish you the best and hope you stick around rather than letting the assholes carry the day.

There was at least a couple of post that were well beyond the pale really being shitty toward you and your family. I don't know where folks get such license, maybe just the natural evolution of an administration that is pushing Federal employees to rat each other out for weird shit and now asking citizen to report citizen for such "questionable" behavior as having more than a week's food on hand but it is all going to lead to sorrow.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:04 PM

95. This makes me sad.

You're a great DUer and I understand how this was just too much for you.

I'd like to join the others here in supporting you, but still hoping you change your mind after a break and return.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:19 PM

99. Bye. Don't let the door ......

 

Hope you feel better some day.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:23 PM

100. LOL. eom

n/t

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:27 PM

101. No offense, but that GBCW was TLDR.

And if a website can freak you out that much, and get you that bent out of shape simply because someone doesn't AGREE WITH YOU, maybe you should go.

It's obviously not good for your health to hang around here.

You really shouldn't let the opinions of others control how you feel. And just because people don't share your view, that does not necessarily make them bigots.

Best of luck.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 09:47 PM

102. I so hope you reconsider - please read this post

You are very much needed here. If everyone who had a relative with a serious mental disorder left, who would defend the rights of those who struggle?

I know how you feel because my sister was much as you describe your brother in manner. Originally, she was diagnosed as bipolar. Over the years, she took lithium which did stabilize her. However, after about 20 years, she had to be taken off of it. There is no true substitute for lithium. Doctors tried different cocktails and/or blends, and some worked to a certain extent, but others did not.

I loved my sister very much. I was not satisfied she was getting the best of care, so I asked my brother-in-law if I could take her to another doctor. He agreed. I took her to a very successful doctor in this field who had a wonderful reputation. After talking with her, he spoke with me. He could not for privacy reasons say exactly what he thought, but he asked me the question, "Has anyone ever used the word "schizophrenia" with relationship to your sister's health? I replied no, but I was stunned. How could she have seen so many different doctors over the years and at this late date this word arises?

I did as much as I could for her. She was a sweet, mild mannered person when she was herself. She was also extremely intelligent. But no matter how much I did, I could never do enough. I could never make her world right for her.

One night when she was in the hospital for what I call "routine maintenance" -- meaning she was being treated for a female problem as opposed to having had a breakdown, my sister suffered a heart attack. Because she had not been being monitored, no one found her until the next morning. By then she was brain dead.

I have never been ashamed of my sister, and it would not matter to me in the least if people on a website made statements about her that I found offensive. I am pretty good at compartmentalizing. I knew her. I knew her inner self. I knew her health problems. And I certainly knew the medical communities shortcomings in treating her -- by that I mean properly diagnosing her at the first sign of trouble.

I hope you stay here. You are indeed needed, and you should not leave because of ignorant statements which were made about your brother. Here is the thing: we have all experienced pain and hurts from things that have sometimes been said on such a large website with thousands of posters. We take it and we get over it. And we live to fight another day on this same website because the good far outweighs the bad.

I beg you to stay.

Sam

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:06 PM

103. Don't leave.

Your insights are invaluable. There are always going to be a certain percentage of people who feel it is their place to judge others or offer "advice" no matter how ill conceived in order to fulfill some inner insecurities or lack of self esteem. As my great grandmother used to say "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me...unless I let them. I hope you reconsider.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 10:45 PM

105. Please don't leave

I don't know you, but let me tell you my take on DU and the wider internet. Any time you make yourself vulnerable, there will be people happy to type insensitive and mean things. Much quicker than in real life, I assure you. I confess to not knowing precisely what people said, but I'm thinking they were reacting more to the latest massacre than your family in particular.

Now that you know how DU and the wider internet can be, there's really no sense in trying to argue a broader point with your particular family. I know how 18 year olds are, in general. There's no point in mentioning my son's exact behavior in a discussion of 18 year old people.

Be well, no matter your final decision.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 11:34 PM

106. Bjorn Against, I am right there with you, and believe me, I understand 100%! I took a long break

 

from DU and recently came back after that break. I'm hoping you'll do the same after taking some time off because your voice is needed especially on this particular issue. You must continue to fight back and never give up or else THEY win! Their hatred wins! When I came back, I told myself that I will write whatever the fuck I want to. I will speak my mind with no holds barred. I've seen the most hateful, vicious rhetoric ever in my life on Democratic Underground. I expect this crap from Stormfront. I expect it on wingnut websites. I expect it in "freepervile". On Republican sites. NOT on Democratic Underground. I don't expect Democrats to speak with one voice! Hell no! We are a diverse people. We are liberals, moderates and some conservatives. I get it. I know that. However, I didn't expect such meanness and cruelty. I certainly didn't expect to see racism, sexism, homophobia...and the sheer bigotry here--gun-loving assholes here on this site, to the extent that we have George Zimmerman cheerleaders and pro-"Joe the Plumber" sycophants who agree that dead children take a backseat to his self-ascribed Second Amendment "rights".

This has truly become a sick place.

And yet, I came back to fight! I hope that you'll think about it. Take some time off and eventually come back to stand and fight with me and others who are squarely in your corner.

And if not, I wish you and your family well and hope that all your dreams come true because you are truly one of the best posters around. Your presence will surely be missed.

Good luck and godspeed!

LS71

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Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #106)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:54 AM

119. love your post

i was trying to elucidate what i have observed for some time here, but you described it fabulously. thank you. and Bjorn, it's good advice!

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Tue May 27, 2014, 11:58 PM

107. People see what they want to see

...and don't see what they don't want.

You did NOT want to see the word "IF."

You chose to see an attack on your family when there was none.

There are real and sincere societal concerns about some mentally ill individuals--you CHOSE to see the discussion of that as an attack on your brother.

I have a son with severe mental health issues and I have concerns about him, but I do not see a discussion about how to how to protect as a personal affront to my son or my family's honor.

Life is all about choices. You can't always choose what happens to you, but you can always choose your response to it.

You can choose to leave DU, or you can choose to stay and fight for truth and understanding. It's up to you.

Either way, I hope you are happy and that you and your brother are well.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #107)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:48 AM

109. i don't think you get guilty by innuendo/rhetoric

 

example:
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If you really do have a have a son with severe mental health issues.
or
If you truly have concerns about him.
--------------------------------------------------------

just asking "if" has assaulted whether what you say is true

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #107)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:04 AM

110. This poster certainly did not use the word "if" when they needlessly attacked Bjorn.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025001374#post113
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025001374#post115
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004621
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025001374#post120
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5004711

One used if, but the other never said if. The other poster outright accused Bjorn of doing something illegal in some way.

And for the record, most people are not talking about what "to do with" some mentally ill people. They are talking about what to do with "the mentally ill" which broad brushes all people with mental illness and implies all mentally ill people are violent.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:10 AM

111. The gun and MRA bullies are ever more strident and disgusting because they are loosing.

You have given us outstanding factual information and are mercilessly attacked, because your facts prove their assertions on mental illness to be completely absurd. They are loosing and they know it, that is where the viciousness comes from, they are determined to create as much collateral damage as their ideologies are proved over and over to be vile, damaging and completely nonsensical and soon to be relegated to the dustbin of history.

You are in good company, be proud that you are attacked, because you are speaking truth to power(the merchants of death gun industry).

Take a break from the abuse, but please come back and share your insights with us after you have taken a well earned rest.

Here is a link to an article by Amanda Marcotte about the gun industry and their attacks on women who are working for gun regulations.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-gun-industry-preys-paranoid-insecure-men-elliot-rodger

Take care and best wishes to you and your family. You are a good soul. Keep your chin up.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:54 AM

112. IMO, Skinner is correct; however, do what you have to do.

I'll never fault anyone for standing with family.

If you (or anyone) wants to have a rational discussion about mental illness, the week that a mentally ill man commits cold-blooded mass murder is not that time.

Perhaps "Democrats for Progress" could serve as a new home for your online political life.

I wish you and your brother the best.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #112)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:13 AM

113. Now is exactly the time to have this discussion, later on nobody will be listening...

for example discussing a national health care system after a mandate to buy insurance from for profit providers has already passed loses some appeal.

Thanks Dems





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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #112)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:29 AM

114. when people are being insulting and attacking

 

out of ignorance is exactly when rational discussion is need. Silence empowers them. Bjorn stood up ,and got lots of grief. and saying to him that you think Skinner is correct and you also wish Bjorn and his brother well... is puzzling.

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Response to Leme (Reply #114)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:26 PM

140. People don't generally discuss mental health rationally after a mass murder

I would not have brought up mentally ill family members in that kind of atmosphere. IMO, Skinner echoed that.

I'm puzzled that you are puzzled. Bjorn is leaving because he stands with his brother. Presumably, I won't be seeing him again. I wish him and his brother both well in their future.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Reply #140)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:38 PM

143. my opinion, usuallyone needs to addreess misinformation and such when it occurs

 

my take is people don't generally discuss mental health well at any time

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:41 AM

117. i'll miss you.

but i still have you as a fb friend. i think Skinner's response to you was not well thought out and you have made the case here. you are NOT part of the problem, you are part of the solution, to so much. thank you for your activism, you have been an inspiration to me for a long time.
too much knee jerking going on. makes me sad. i wonder if i will stay on DU too. this is always my first stop when i go online, but it's seemed sort of...infected, by people who value guns more than people for one thing, and people who would jump into a thread and attack without really reading the post first because of some knee jerk reaction to something that might not even be there.
it's a microcosm i guess, of our country and its sickness. because you see Bjorn, your brother is not alone. our country is sick, it might even be accurate to say schizophrenic.
i wish you weren't going. i guess i will PM you to see where you will be, because i like knowing what you're up to; you are always up to the good.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 06:44 AM

118. Yea, it might be a good idea, sometimes this is not the place to hang out on

or even use up the the finite thing we know as time

Love ya, and keep on being brave

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:31 AM

121. The DU is FULL of conservative trolls


Leaving is what they want every REAL DUer to do.

I gave both posts an R.

OS

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #121)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:59 PM

144. That is probably true. But I suspect that there are those who consider

themselves to be bona fide progressives who can be insensitive at times as well.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #144)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:51 PM

148. I agree

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Response to Omaha Steve (Reply #148)

Wed May 28, 2014, 05:07 PM

149. But the difference is that most good progressive are at least trying.

I have seen posters at DU called out on inadvertent insensitivity who came back to apologize and promise to try to do better.

You will very seldom see a conservative do something like that.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:37 AM

123. I wish you and your brother well

 

it is no longer puzzling to me why the Admins allow what they allow to go on here. They simply do not care. It's a business.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:46 AM

124. I completely understand withdrawing and protecting family.

 

When someone opens up, it takes a special kind of nastiness to trample all over that vulnerable heart. I am so sorry this happened. I am more shocked that upthread, the justification continues.

The judgmental, presumptive assholes and their various enablers are feeling pretty smug, I assume. On the off chance that their conscience has been pricked just a little, well good! Now do something to make the change, because change begins with YOU.



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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 10:50 AM

125. This is a blow to DU.

You are a great poster, wish you would stay. At the same time, I get it. Bigotry of all kinds -- which all too often accompanies the gun trollery -- is becoming far too prevalent around here.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:05 AM

126. I don't think Skinner said anything wrong. When one posts a topic there will be good and bad

responses. DU is an open forum, basically, because anyone can join DU. Yes, you got some horrible responses, but please remember there are many good people on DU. Mental health is often a misunderstood topic, often seemingly only really understood by professionals and those affected, and family members and friends. People need to be educated and relating life experiences is very helpful. I do hope you reconsider your decision to leave DU.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:14 AM

127. YOU chose to take it that way, imo. The posts WERE describing MY FAMILY and the 4 decades of danger

we have been dealing with - to ourselves, to our children, to innocent children and strangers, to the law enforcement called to intervene. Not ALL schizophrenics have the same issues and just because YOUR family is more fortunate to not have a schizophrenic sibling prone to act violently doesn't mean that all schizophrenics are NOT a serious danger and don't need to be dealt with appropriately on every level of concern, including the life and death level.

You went way overboard in painting with a broad brush exactly the way you were complaining that others were doing. YOUR family was NOT under attack. The poster described MY family nearly to a tee. My family had to grow into its proper role dealing with a sibling with schizophrenia and made decisions that had to involve protecting the lives of innocents as well as my sister.

You could take this opportunity to see beyond just YOUR family. There are hundreds of thousands of families facing life and death situations that are far tougher than yours while confronting a family member's mental illness.

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Response to blm (Reply #127)

Wed May 28, 2014, 01:07 PM

137. His, and your family was under attack

 

false and misleading dialogue leads to actions such those espoused by some in those threads.
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If falsehoods about mental illness are allowed and condoned, the mental health of our nation will get worse, not better.
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When they come and haul away your family member......

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Response to Leme (Reply #137)

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:14 PM

145. Baloney. Your broad brush is as wrongheaded as his. If YOUR falsehoods are allowed and condoned

them mental health would NEVER get treated appropriately given the facts and circumstances of each individual's afflictions.

Absurd of you both that you don't get that.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:18 AM

128. Please don't leave. No one knows your journey, but we don't want you to do it alone, either. There

are many more people here who sympathize and support you than appeared on your threads. I hope you'll try to realize that.

You are owed apologies. I'm sorry for those who hurt your feelings and proved untrustworthy. But DU needs experienced people like you.

Please don't walk away. Those who hurt you have revealed themselves to the DU community as flawed members who we need to stay vigilant about, because we know that their careless words will come back to haunt them.

As the political world revs up, people will be less bored, and careless, and they'll stop flinging poo just for drama's sake. As party activities increase, they will spur people here toward becoming better, more empathic thinkers.

Oh, and Skinner's not the determiner of his site's quality, and he knows it. So, as for his indifference, he can go suck it.

If you can remember a time when DU was at its best, please try to trust that it will be that way again.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:34 AM

129. Good luck. Your love for your brother is inspiring n/t

 

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 11:39 AM

131. An option would be to start with a new account.

 

I dont know much about the controversy. I steer away from those personal wars and controversies on DU. But u could always try a new acct to start anew.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:07 PM

132. Stay in the fight.

I've been a member of several forums over the years - and I say with some experience that I have never found a forum that, overall, had better, wiser, kinder, or more wonderful people than here at DU. We will frequently fight like cats and dogs, because a lot of the issues we discuss are issues that inspire great passion. As with any forum, there are some members who enjoy the fight for it's own sake, who like to rock the boat, so to speak. There will be flame wars, unfounded insults, amateur psycho-analysis, and theories that seem to have been conceived by someone smoking opium and drinking tequila at the same time.

There will also be great sympathy, empathy, admiration - deep respect and kindness. Like anything else, there is going to be a balance. I believe that there is more good than bad here, or I wouldn't be a member of this forum.

I wish you would stick around - your voice, and voices like yours that speak from experience - are much needed here and everywhere else. Understanding and compassion are the keys to change.

Whatever you decide, I wish you and your family all the best.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:20 PM

134. Vaya con dios

 

Good luck to you and yours.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:26 PM

135. I'm sorry that words of kindness and encouragement have been drowned out

by callous and dense messages from those who haven't had to walk in your shoes, Bjorn Against.

Sometimes we have to stand and fight, and sometimes we have to keep searching for welcoming places in this world. You are doing both with this action. Your steadfast support and love for your brother is an inspiration to us all.

Still with you 100%.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 12:58 PM

136. All I can say is I believe the voiceless need you to speak for them.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 02:37 PM

142. Hugs and peace to you.

Your family is more important than anything. I hope the situation with your brother gets better.
And I'm not afraid of your brother.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:03 PM

146. Response from a DUer who did not give you comfort and support

 

I didn't join in to back you up for the same reason I didn't participate in condemning everyone with schizophrenia indiscriminately: I just don't know enough about schizophrenia. I did read your post and learned something from it. In light of your reaction, I'm sorry that I didn't say something. My excuse is that I seldom post when I think that I have nothing to add to the topic.

Judging from my limited database (consisting solely of myself), one result of the whole sad Isla Vista episode may be a little more understanding of people like the killer and your brother and, crucially, the differences between them. I realize that's not much of a silver lining when you feel that your family has been attacked in such an unfair way. Nevertheless, I ask you to consider that there are many, many people who are basically of good will but who know more about things like Social Security funding (and, alas, Benghazi) than about mental disorders. The posts that distressed you probably owed much more to ignorance than to malice.

If you decide that you can put up with the stress of dealing with this sort of thing, you can continue to do some good by sharing what you know. If, understandably, you feel you can't (or at least can't right now), don't let either ignorance or malice drive you from the site. Just trash those threads, use Ignore as need be, and stay with us.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Original post)

Wed May 28, 2014, 04:29 PM

147. You are sadly missed.

But after all this is only a political discussion board. If the bad comes to outweigh the good for me personally, I'll hit the virtual door too.

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