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Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:50 PM

U.S. Marshals Seize Cops’ Spying Records to Keep Them From the ACLU

A routine request in Florida for public records regarding the use of a surveillance tool known as stingray took an extraordinary turn Tuesday when federal authorities seized the documents before police could release them.

The surprise move by the U.S. Marshals Service stunned the ACLU, which earlier this year filed a routine public records request with the Sarasota, Florida, police department for information detailing its use of the controversial surveillance tool.

The ACLU had an appointment Tuesday morning to review documents pertaining to a case investigated by a Sarasota police detective. But marshals swooped in at the last minute to grab the records, claiming they belong to the U.S. Marshals Service and barring the police from releasing them.

ACLU staff attorney Nathan Freed Wessler called the move “truly extraordinary and beyond the worst transparency violations” the group has seen regarding documents detailing police use of the technology.

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/feds-seize-stingray-documents/

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Reply U.S. Marshals Seize Cops’ Spying Records to Keep Them From the ACLU (Original post)
IDemo Jun 2014 OP
Demo_Chris Jun 2014 #1
DonViejo Jun 2014 #3
Aerows Jun 2014 #6
DonViejo Jun 2014 #8
JDPriestly Jun 2014 #13
woo me with science Jun 2014 #32
Logical Jun 2014 #2
Leme Jun 2014 #4
Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #5
Baitball Blogger Jun 2014 #7
billhicks76 Jun 2014 #9
defacto7 Jun 2014 #10
billhicks76 Jun 2014 #12
defacto7 Jun 2014 #17
billhicks76 Jun 2014 #18
sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #36
JDPriestly Jun 2014 #11
billhicks76 Jun 2014 #14
reformist2 Jun 2014 #15
defacto7 Jun 2014 #21
smallcat88 Jun 2014 #16
grasswire Jun 2014 #20
underthematrix Jun 2014 #19
Octafish Jun 2014 #22
Oilwellian Jun 2014 #23
msanthrope Jun 2014 #33
DeSwiss Jun 2014 #24
woo me with science Jun 2014 #25
Oilwellian Jun 2014 #28
grasswire Jun 2014 #30
Leme Jun 2014 #35
Kermitt Gribble Jun 2014 #34
Dark n Stormy Knight Jun 2014 #38
woo me with science Jun 2014 #26
gopiscrap Jun 2014 #27
Savannahmann Jun 2014 #29
woo me with science Jun 2014 #31
woo me with science Jun 2014 #37
mike_c Jun 2014 #39
sabrina 1 Jun 2014 #41
woo me with science Jun 2014 #40
woo me with science Jun 2014 #42

Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 09:59 PM

1. Just more hope and change. nt

 

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:11 PM

3. Are you suggesting the President knew this seizure was

going to occur?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:16 PM

6. I don't think anyone suggested that

 

but I think the suggestion was that President Obama shouldn't allow such things to continue.

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Response to Aerows (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:43 PM

8. Thank you. eom

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Response to Demo_Chris (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:12 PM

13. By OKing and perhaps even expanding the NSA spying on Americans, his administration

has encouraged this. Those were US marshalls. Obama's marshalls.

We shall see whether Obama does anything to correct this.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:22 AM

32. +1 This one needs careful watching

so it does not disappear after this news cycle.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:00 PM

2. And people trust the government! n-t

 

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:14 PM

4. well....December 6 , 2013

 

from: http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/investigations/2014/03/12/2047624/

TAMPA BAY, Florida - The National Security Agency isn't the only government entity secretly collecting data from Americans' cell phones. Local police are increasingly scooping it up, too.

Armed with new technologies,including mobile devices that tap into cellphone data in real time, dozens of local and state police agencies are capturing information about thousands of cellphone users at a time, whether they are targets of an investigation or not, according to public records obtained during a 10 News/USA TODAY/Gannett investigation.
>snip

hope snip is ok

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:16 PM

5. Nothing to see here folks, move along, all is well.

Thanks for the thread, IDemo.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:35 PM

7. ACLU has got them on the run!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 10:59 PM

9. UnAmerican

 

These folks are our Gestapo. They are an illegal, secret police force who are nothing more than thugs with badges. If they could get away with it they would shoot your dog, beat your kids and rape your spouse. US Marshals are heavily involved with running prostitution and sex slave rings in Las Vegas. If people think they are there to protect they are naive. They are stone cold killers and have no problem admiting it. I would never mess with one of them. It's one thing being a bad ass but now they can get into every aspect of your personal life. We have failed ourselves.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:07 PM

10. Have any links

or corroborating information about US Marshals? It would be an interesting part of the puzzle if you do.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #10)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:12 PM

12. Saw it on 20/20

 

An Asian girl that was forced to have sex 20 times a day in a bamboo field next to San Diego mansions along with 50 other girls turned out to be Asian-American. The constructed rooms out of blankets in the bamboo patches with only a dirty futon on the ground. She had been kidnapped. They were later housed underneath a Vegas Casino in the sub level basement and the man pimping them out was a recently retired US Marshal who had been running the business for a long time.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:29 PM

17. Terrible...

I didn't see 20/20... but did they say it was a wide spread issue with US marshals or is this a bad apple? I guess I'm asking if this is a "him" or a "they".

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:33 PM

18. Just That Guy

 

But he had a lot of power. The US Marshals I met were bragging how they killed civilians in Panama a year after Bush Sr invaded to take out Noriega and cover up his drug running.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #17)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:04 PM

36. Similar 'trafficing' has been exposed in, eg, Phoenix Az. We have some problems in this country that

need attention. But we're so busy always pointing fingers everywhere else, rushing off to 'create democracies' all over the world, they aren't likely to get that attention any time soon.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:11 PM

11. The Obama administration is doing this?

What is the point in voting for a Democrat who allows his administration to do something like that? I am truly ashamed of the Democratic Party at this moment.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #11)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:17 PM

14. Police State

 

Its out of control. They do some sick things Obama cannot support I'm sure but why he doesn't address it is anyone's guess. Poor minority kids locked up by the hundreds of thousands for bogus weed infractions? Private prison gladiator fights instituted by the guards? Hundreds of minority kids shot and killed by cops over weed, running away, mouthing off or just getting the wrong house or car? You know Obana is against these things and he isn't above commenting from such a high office. I believe someone is telling him to shut up or face consequences like embarrassing NSA extracted phone calls from his past or worse threats. I'm not naive.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:19 PM

15. We are dangerously close to losing any control over our government - that is, if we ever had any.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #15)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:03 AM

21. I can agree with that.

I think most of US history has been a fight for control between the people and the powerful. The government most of us were taught about in 5th grade has in reality never exited. But as a dream of possibilities within any political system it was a gallant effort by those who had idealistic hopes for humanity and it could have been quite a strong and useful stepping stone toward freedom, peace, equality and justice. It could never have been the final structure of human culture and would have been superseded by better alternatives. But the direction we are going now is the product of greed and the intent of a powerful few. If it continues in this direction, our US version of democracy has failed.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:21 PM

16. Unfucking believable

Anyone still wondering why they're trying so hard to turn Snowden into a villain?

https://www.resetthenet.org/?r=aclu

This is from a recent email I got from the ACLU. This Thursday, June 5, you can run a splash screen to promote free software for end-to-end encryption in an effort to fight the internet spying.

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Response to smallcat88 (Reply #16)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:52 PM

20. today is a good day to donate to the ACLU..

...or become a member and lend your voice to this fight.

www.aclu.org

eternal vigilance is the price of liberty

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Tue Jun 3, 2014, 11:44 PM

19. the truth without context makes a certain group of Americans react

with anger and outrage.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:12 AM

22. Stingray might turn up dirt from some Florida big wheels.

Cough Jebthro.

Gotta love the transparency.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:42 AM

23. It looks like this happened shortly after...

A Florida judge has sided with the ACLU to order release of information about police use of "stingrays" which are invasive surveillance devices that send out powerful signals to trick cell phones into transmitting their locations and identifying information. The Tallahassee judge’s pro-transparency decision stands in contrast to extreme secrecy surrounding stingray records in another Florida court, which is at the center of an emergency motion filed by the ACLU today.

The ACLU learned several months ago about a case where Tallahassee police used a stingray to track a phone to a suspect’s apartment without getting a warrant. Although the detective responsible for the tracking testified in court about using a stingray, in deference to the government’s demand for secrecy the court closed the hearing to the public and sealed the transcript.

The ACLU filed a motion asking the judge to unseal the transcript, citing the public’s First Amendment right of access to court proceedings. In response, the government tried to justify continued secrecy by invoking the federal Homeland Security Act and other federal laws. As the ACLU explained to the court, those laws have no bearing because this case involves state judicial records, and because the government has waived its ability to invoke broad secrecy arguments by already releasing significant information about its use of stingrays.

Late yesterday, the judge ordered unsealing of the entire transcript. The portion that the government had sought to keep secret is here. It confirms key information about the invasiveness of stingray technology, including that:

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security-technology-and-liberty/victory-judge-releases-information-about-police-use

On edit: According to the ACLU, this is the part of the transcript the US Marshalls tried to keep hidden:
https://www.aclu.org/files/assets/100823_transcription_of_suppression_hearing_28unsealed_pages_11-2429.pdf

Score one for the little guy.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 10:33 AM

33. Looks like they won the state court action, but they will have to file in federal court

 

to force the US Marshalls to return the physical documents and other records.

Which they should win. It seems the use of trap-and-trace as opposed to a probable cause warrant is at issue, and that should be decided in a federal court.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:53 AM

24. Thanks Obama.

 

K&R

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:01 AM

25. US Marshals Service is corrupt to the core.

Recall that Obama selected a private prison consultant to run it, against the protests of the Alliance for Justice, Human Rights Defense Center, Private Corrections Working Group, Grassroots Leadership, National Lawyers Guild, International CURE, Detention Watch Network and Justice Policy Institute.

Under her corporate, revolving door "leadership," federal contracts for private prisons in the US have skyrocketed. Growing an industry that attaches a profit motive to the imprisonment of human beings is against everything this country should stand for.

The Case Against Stacia Hylton
http://www.counterpunch.org/2010/11/12/the-case-against-stacia-a-hylton/

The Obama Administration is aggressively growing private prisons.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=722906

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:07 AM

28. Well, isn't that special. n/t

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:38 AM

30. thanks for posting that

It's hard to keep up with the outrages these days.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #30)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:04 PM

35. yes, difficult.. I usually think, o well nt

 

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 12:59 PM

34. First I've heard of that wonderful appointment.

Thanks for posting, woo.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #25)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:50 PM

38. 100% true!

Growing an industry that attaches a profit motive to the imprisonment of human beings is against everything this country should stand for.

Yet the RW propaganda machine causes millions to clamor for more citizens to become prisoners of the corrupt system.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:02 AM

26. This is outrageous. Every single day, more corruption, more lawlessness, from our own government.

This is a story that must be followed closely. We can't let this one fall off the radar.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:02 AM

27. That's fucked up!

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 01:22 AM

29. Obviously

 

The US Marshall's seized the records to protect the privacy of those who had been spied on and had their privacy violated. I mean that was the excuse the NSA used when someone wanted to know how many people the NSA had spied on without a warrant.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 08:25 AM

31. K&R

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 03:16 PM

37. kick

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 04:04 PM

39. "...what they fear is light."

eom

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Response to mike_c (Reply #39)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:50 PM

41. The fear of exposure is palpable. What is it they are so determined to hide? Looks like we know

nothing compared to what there is to know.

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Wed Jun 4, 2014, 05:49 PM

40. kick

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Response to IDemo (Original post)

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 04:55 PM

42. kick

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