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[Louisiana1976]

1. That's an excellent question. K&R

[edgineered]

2. Whoa, you could have put a warning about the photo -

Seeing it and immediately imaging myself among those pictured was a scary moment.

[delrem]

6. So?

That seems to be your personal problem, not the kind of problem the OP should heed.

[edgineered]

8. If I was in that photo,

you wouldn't be able to figure out which one I was. They all look like me - that's the scary part.

edit: So is that really a problem for you. jack?

[delrem]

10. Well, they all look like me, as well. But it doesn't frighten me.

But I don't think it's a "color" or "race" issue. It's about state of mind.

eta: I go by "delrem" on DU. Not "Jack".

[edgineered]

11. True enough.

My state of mind no longer has me leaping over fences, picking up heavy objects, or hanging around with those most capable of shooting me.

[delrem]

14. Well my state of mind has never been that way.

Not that my state of mind has ever been in equilibrium.

I'll tell you an anecdote. When I was young(er) I had a friend who spoke about how a wildlife photographer requires more skill than a hunter to blend into the land and get the pictures. At the same time the two of us were into martial arts and he would recite aphorisms about how the best defence was strong legs for running away, and learning how to defuse a fellow set to blow up in violence. That was then.
Years later my friend became a hunter (with rifle, not camera). He spoke about his guns, showed me how he loaded his own bullets, and explained about how it was a point of honor that he took down an animal with one shot clean kills. He explained about how it was for providing food. Not much time later, in fact almost no time later, he explained how he hunted and killed bears, for trophy kills. In a momentary lapse he explained that there was a sexual thing about it, about taking the shot. I don't understand the reason for his "evolution" from cameraman to killer, but it happened, and, well, I don't hang around with that guy anymore.

[edgineered]

17. It's funny how things evolve,

long ago I thought that being the tough guy was who I was. Then I learned it is much harder to be the nice guy. There is nothing wrong with anyone who hunts for food, we would be an extinct species had we not. Trophy hunting, acts of violence and actions that make life more difficult for others I won't even discuss, delrem.

[delrem]

18. I'm in total agreement.

Guns aren't a problem. Attitude is.

Thanks for the discussion.

[freshwest]

3. Very good point!

[Hoyt]

4. +10000. Wow, that nails what should be the obvious. But gun fanciers deny it.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

5. Another example of white privilege that some have a difficult time coming to grips with

[sheshe2]

7. White Privilege coupled with packing guns, no ID required.

That sure scares the hell out of me, Liberal_Stalwart.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

9. Taking them into restaurants and other public places. Now picture in your mind a

group of black guys with AKs strapped acrossed their backs doing the same. You can't, can you? No, neither can I.

[sheshe2]

12. No I can't, no.

White privilege is front and forward these days. People can deny it all they wish, yet it is in your face.

They lather rinse and repeat. "There is no such thing!"

Really?



If this man were black he would either be in jail or dead.

White Privilege is a fact. So says a white woman.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

33. I always think that when I see these "Look at me and my awesome guns" dudes.

Just like Bush protesters were put in "Free Speech Zones" (cages far from the prez), but RW Obama haters can get within feet of him while armed.

[treestar]

22. Yeah I wonder if their Second Amendment rights

would even be discussed in that scenario.

[AverageJoe90]

41. Dunno about "white privilege", but I'd be scared of RWNJ gun nuts too.....

Especially with all the militia types running around and such.

[Egnever]

13. Yea cause only white people can buy guns

and only black people need ID to vote

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. Close ...

Only white people can buy guns without IDs; and only black/hispanics are asked for ID to vote.

It's all in the application.

[Egnever]

35. Where can I buy a gun without an ID?

I think you are just making shit up at this point.

[uponit7771]

40. Person to person sale

[1StrongBlackMan]

45. yes, because we know ...

The laws are always applied equally in this country. Right?

[Egnever]

49. So the answer is you were just making it up

Got it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

50. No ...

My answer is laws in this nation are not applied equally, with PoC being routinely subjected to the more strict standard.

Tell me you don't know/believe/understand that.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

31. I am a black woman, living in so-called "liberal" Maryland.

No record. NONE. I have two Masters and a Ph.D. Live in wealthy Montgomery County.

I tried to buy a gun. All kinds of road blocks and extra shit I needed just to get a fucking permit.

Now, I understand that it's more difficult in this blue state to purchase a gun, but this is fucking ridiculous.

You have purposefully and deliberately missed the point. You are willingly acting as if you are stupid and ignorant to what is being discussed.

Don't do that. You're not stupid and I'm not a fool.

You know damn well what we're talking about here.

[Egnever]

34. I know what you are tyrying to talk about

you just arent doing it well.

There arent different rules for whites and blacks buying guns so using that as any sort of example of racism is just dumb. It wouldn't have been any easier for a white woman to buy a gun in your state than it was for you.

Also the rules are the same for whites and blacks for voting also a dumb example.

Now if you want to talk about how voter ID laws more than likely disenfranchise more blacks then whites I am on board, but when you want to run with stupid examples like the one in the op well...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

37. I am articulating it perfectly. You don't want to see the truth. Voter ID, gun laws--

including the so-called stand your ground--have disparate impacts on people of color because they are applied unfairly. Sentencing is another example, which is why I don't and won't support the legalization of marijuana until people of color are pardoned for serving long jail terms for simple possession, with FULL citizenship rights restored.

If you can't understand the significance of what the OP's illustration signifies, that's not my problem. I'm happy that others in this thread do.

[Egnever]

38. So now we are not debating a stupid graphic

Most likely because you know it is stupid. You now have to change the debate to different things that definitely do make the point you think was being made by the dumb OP graphic.

The fact that you had to move the goal post so far pretty well makes my point for me.

And this part I find insanely stupid.

which is why I don't and won't support the legalization of marijuana until people of color are pardoned for serving long jail terms for simple possession, with FULL citizenship rights restored.

You know that it disproportionately affects POC yet you would rather it continues to do so than stop it in it's tracks because you want pardons. That is so mind numbingly dumb I find it difficult to take anything else you might say seriously.

Yes much better we should continue to throw POC's in jail disproportionately over a law than change it.

[AverageJoe90]

42. "I find it difficult to take anything else you might say seriously." I can't blame ya!

which is why I don't and won't support the legalization of marijuana until people of color are pardoned for serving long jail terms for simple possession, with FULL citizenship rights restored.

I mean, seriously? That wouldn't work.....sad truth is, we'd need a fair bit more success in this regard before we could even *consider* blanket pardons for large amounts of people, regardless of their nationality. I mean, as much as I'd like for that to happen, reality dictates that we can't do everything all at once or even outside a certain order. That's just how it is.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

46. Change the law, how that law is appropriated and administered, release those

unfairly impacted by it. You know damn well what I'm talking about!

You think the picture is stupid and yet so many in this thread understand it's symbolism and you pretend you don't. Willfully ignorant.

And that's why you are now on ignore. Goodbye!

[Cha]

15. When the fooking NRA took over Congress.

[aikoaiko]

16. Both black and white people have to present IDs ..

When buying guns or voting with government regulated agents, but not with non government agents. Both rules apply to all races and ethnicities equally.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. Not true ...

The laws SHOULD apply to all people; but that's not how it plays out.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

32. Again, don't play stupid. You know damn well what we're talking about here.

There's no way in hell anyone would tolerate a group of black guys walking into ANY public place strapped with guns. Let them try it.

Stop being willfully ignorant. You're not!

[rhett o rick]

36. Ah yes. And blacks and whites get to vote, right? Just because some in the black community have to

wait in line for hours doesnt mean they dont get to vote. And how many white people get turned away because the poll worker doesnt think they look like their ID picture? Do you live in a hole?

[locdlib]

19. Well, I see some on here trying to make the

voter ID issue be a nonissue because showing ID is something that everybody has to do. I'll explain it as quickly as I can before I go to bed. Voter ID laws are set up to disenfranchise a very select group of people (blacks and other races, but mostly blacks) from voting because the others know that they can't win elections fairly. So they created the idea of voter fraud. Get it yet? Black and brown people are actually voting and they are not voting republican. So, they had to invent a fake problem to which they came up with a shitty solution to discourage black/brown people from voting. Now, I concede that black/brown people do buy guns, but this picture is certainly representative of the group of people who get bent out of shape/cry about "they gone take my guns"/show up in public places with guns strapped to their bodies, ready to take down anybody who "don't look right"/don't agree with them. K. I'm going to bed now. Good night, all.

[uponit7771]

39. 2a is a whites only law in practice

[AverageJoe90]

43. Yep. And would the 'Pubs be so eager to support these laws if black folks, Latinos, etc......

were more friendly to the Republicans than the Democrats? At least for some cases, I doubt that very seriously; for those folks, at least, it's about hurting the Democratic Party more than anything else(of course, there's certainly those out there who'd be glad to support this kind of B.S. even if people of color *were* Republican-friendly).

[Alex P Notkeaton]

20. K&R to THAT!

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. Now there's a wonderfully deceptive and misleading, but still technically accurate, poster... N.T.

[mnhtnbb]

23. Well, of course. That 2nd Amendment right

all the gun nuts love to quote was written the way it was in order to
protect the Southern states slave holders ability to organize and arm
slave patrols--militias--to keep slaves from revolting.

See this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1262&pid=6782

[AverageJoe90]

44. Interesting, but not all that accurate.

The real reason for the Second Amendment had to pretty much to do with protecting domestic tranquility(and against foreign invasion).....not so much with slave militias trying to stop revolts.

As much as I respect Thom Hartmann, he missed the ball on that one.

[mnhtnbb]

47. You might want to look at the very well researched and scholarly article--

upon which Hartmann based his-- by this law professor: http://law.rwu.edu/carl-t-bogus



http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1465114

[AverageJoe90]

51. I believe I already have, but perhaps I will, again.

Don't expect me to necessarily change my mind, however.

[jimlup]

24. Nice juxtaposition

Hard to believe isn't it. But it is how the FAUX news society seems to view things.

[redqueen]

27. Good question. nt

[liberal N proud]

28. Because their right to kill trumps your right to vote

[Octafish]

30. ''Minorities'' is what they want the guns for.

Think what happened to the First Americans.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

48. So let me get this straight...

This Scott Walker mess is revealed and he is still close to winning reelection despite the absolute atrocity he created in Wisconsin, and yet there are people in this thread and on DU who continue to deny that white privilege exists, even when confronted with irrefutable evidence?

Really, folks?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251367145

Really?

They'd rather attack your intelligence and act willfully ignorant and pretend to be a dumb ass and not understand what we mean than to admit to truth and to the reality of what's right there in their face?

I see you, and I see your feigned ignorance, people! I will not be fooled by it, either.