Glenn Greenwald praises Fox News, slams MSNBC

[Cali_Democrat]

Greenwald Praises Megyn’s ‘Tough’ Cheney Questions; Wonders if MSNBC Would Do Same to Dems
by Andrew Kirell | 12:20 pm, June 19th, 2014

Glenn Greenwald has a question: If even Fox News can give an occasional tough grilling to someone like former Vice President Dick Cheney, can MSNBC do the same to prominent Democrats currently in office?

After seeing Megyn Kelly‘s tough line of questioning for Cheney on Wednesday night, Greenwald tweeted out the question:

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On Fox, @megynkelly poses some tough & uncomfortable questions to the Cheneys http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/dick-cheney-megyn-kelly-fox-interview-108049.html?hp=l2 … - does MSNBC do this to prominent Dems?
7:31 AM - 19 Jun 2014

This isn’t the first time Greenwald has slammed MSNBC as a safe haven for Democratic politicians. More than a year ago, he said about one the network’s particularly well-known shows: “One would find more vibrant political debate in the average conference room of the DNC.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/greenwald-praises-megyns-tough-cheney-questions-wonders-if-msnbc-would-do-same-to-dems/

[JaneyVee]

1. Congratulations, a conservative asked

Dick Cheney one hard question in 14 years.

[JI7]

19. it wasn't a hard question , it was his chance to respond

to what others were saying and there was no follow up or questioning of what he said.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Show us a few examples of MSNBC beating up Democrats

and put this to rest.

Show us what a liar Greenwald is

[tridim]

4. Democrats, in general, are good.

Why don't you know that?

[MannyGoldstein]

8. What about those that voted for war in Iraq

instead of filibustering that astonishing evil?

[sabrina 1]

33. Really? In what respect are Dems who joined Cheney et al on the worst FP decisions

ever, and on bailing out Wall St, 'good'? I'm at a loss here.

[joshcryer]

5. Morning Joe?

[MannyGoldstein]

12. You win. nt

[JaneyVee]

7. I just now witnessed Maddow beat up Schweitzer

And don't even get started on Weiner. Plus Tweety and Morning joe beat up the prez everyday. Most Dems don't need to get beat up like republicans do.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. "Show us a few examples of MSNBC beating up Democrats"

Sure thing, boss:

Chuck Todd Grills Obama: Was the ‘You Can Keep Your Plan’ Line a ‘Political Lie’?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014642412

chuck todd shits on Obama's debate performance once again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021506160

Chuck Todd: Public Telling Obama 'Your Presidency Is Over'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/chuck-todd-obama-presidency-over_n_5506637.html

Chris Matthews: Obama Has Had 'Terrible Year'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/20/chris-matthews-obama-political-loser_n_4479993.html

Chris Matthews sours on Obama

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/05/chris-matthews-sours-on-obama-164095.html

Chris Matthews: Bergdahl swap was ‘nasty deal, driven by our enemies’

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/5/chris-matthews-bergdahl-swap-was-nasty-deal/

Those are some more recent examples. Keep in mind I havent even posted anything from known Obama haters like Scarborough and Andrea Mitchell. Shall I keep going?

This is why I like debating you, Manny. It's like taking candy from a baby.

Too easy.

[MannyGoldstein]

13. You win.

Rare, but it happens.

[joshcryer]

17. You lowered the bar.

Greenwald would say "those weren't tough and uncomfortable questions, they were just opinion pieces." However, Maddow did chew up Axelrod on CCPI and questions VP Biden over not stopping military expulsions over DADT.

[Cali_Democrat]

22. Manny

Your initial reaction to my OP was to essentially say MSNBC doesn't beat up on Dems.

This is the line of thought in conservative circles.

Very telling.

[MannyGoldstein]

25. No, my initial reaction was that Greenwald is usually correct

But don't let that get in the way of your weird obsession.

[Cali_Democrat]

37. So you jumped to Greenwald's defense...

...without even thinking about what you were posting or what he actually said?

[uponit7771]

55. EXACTLY!! Conservative idiots say that crap about MSNBC all the freakin time!!!

[rufus dog]

15. Well that has to be one of the most ignorant statements uttered by a long time DUer

Did chuck Todd not just declare the Obama presidency over?

Not sure if you think we are that fucking stupid, but your post is Cheneyesque in its ignorance and arrogance

[sabrina 1]

34. Chuck Todd is a moron warmongering propagandist, always was. What is your point?

[betsuni]

42. The point is that Chuck Todd is on MSNBC

[MineralMan]

49. Yes, and he's on MSNBC. The point is made.

Greenwald is incorrect in his praise for Fox News. Imagine that.

[KT2000]

16. Chris Matthews!

not getting into this Greenwald dispute but Chris Matthews has been known to beat up on Democrats.
Also - Morning Joe is on MSNBC - he has trashed Democrats.

[sabrina 1]

38. Chris Mathews is an opportunistic moronic Bush drooling moron. Does ANY Dem. actually

watch this moron? I stopped watching him after his 'leg tingling' statement re Bush's laughable 'strutting' as Mattews called it, across the deck declaring 'Mission Accomplished' and Matthews' ignorant statement re what 'women admire' (:puke and then went on to 'wonder' if anyone could imagine, eg, Democrats like George McGovern in that suit'??? He is such an ignorant moron I can't believe ANYONE ever watched him after that outrageous and totally WRONG statement.

Bush, hid in Texas, McGovern, WW11 Fighter Pilot Hero! Matthews, MORON who had no clue about McGovern's record.

Haven't seen him since then. Anyone THAT stupid doesn't deserve even a mention.

[Enthusiast]

44. I am totally with you on Chris Mathews.

McGovern flew some dangerous combat missions. Bush, none.

Sabrina, McGovern was a B-24 bomber pilot, not a fighter pilot.

[MineralMan]

48. That you need someone to show you those examples

speaks volumes. Anyone who has watched Morning Joe or a number of other MSNBC programs can provide you with plenty of them. Apparently, you either do not watch MSNBC or are simply defending Greenwald without thinking before typing.

[sabrina 1]

53. Perhaps YOU missed the point. Manny does a good job of leading others to

conclusions they would resist if someone made the point for them. MSNBC is just another part of the Corporate controlled US media, often touted here as 'credible'. It's that tiny part of that Corporate controlled media that tosses a few 'crumbs' to Liberals. It has NEVER been anything but part of the propaganda machine that helped, as did the rest of the disgraceful excuse for a news media, the lies, the censorship of the facts, to get Bush/Cheney's war going.

Nice work Manny ... sometimes people resist seeing facts about what they have decided is 'credible'.

[uponit7771]

56. Manny was wrong.... PERIOD... no if ands or buts

[MineralMan]

63. I'm sure Manny thanks you for defending him.

[bettyellen]

67. how- by making big mistakes and admitting it?

[SidDithers]

71. WTF?...nt

Sid

[Cali_Democrat]

74. Remember that one time when I called you a comedian?

--->>>http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4681033

I wasn't joking.

You're good for a laugh, but not a serious discussion.

[zappaman]

78. Barely that. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. I'll take Option 2 please, and besides "RT is viewed by 50 million US households". It's the only

you can get the real truth.

[Fla Dem]

52. Chuck Todd and Andrea Mitchell are as anti-Obama as you can get.

Chuck Todd's so bad, when he said something a little positive about Obama a few weeks ago, it made headlines here. There's 3 full hours of Democratic beat downs 5 days a week on Morning Jerk.

FOX news does one semi-aggressive interview with Dick Cheney and the idiot Glenn Greenwald trips over himself giving them high 5's. He's a joke and who care what he thinks anyway,

[uponit7771]

57. +1

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. Who? eom

[Dawson Leery]

6. Go to hell Glenn.

Fox is right wing propaganda.

Dead Intern Joe assaults the President every day.

[Cha]

11. Just GG whining about Dems again.. he'll search for any toe hold.

[joshcryer]

14. WTF Greenwald? That was a softball interview.

Kelly didn't call out Cheney's lie (Iraq did not want to give soldiers immunity, many here decry Obama for responsibly offering to keep training forces there).

She also agreed with Liz "he (Obama) wanted out, he wanted out." That's objectively false, as Obama did offer to stay.

In every one of Obama's Iraq forces speeches he always uses the word "responsibly." Obama did that.

If that counts as "tough and uncomfortable" then he should see Assange's Reddit AMA today where he blew past dozens of important questions.

[Cha]

18. But, according to GG.. that's real good

journalism. It figures.

[phleshdef]

20. Um I've seen Chris Matthews (when he is in one of THOSE moods) and David Gregory and Chuck Todd...

...all give certain Dems a hard time at one time or another. In general though, Democrats don't do the shit that Republicans do and not nearly as frequently.

As usual, fuck Greenwald. He is a horses ass.

[Cha]

24. I don't watch any of it so thanks for that phlesh.

[phleshdef]

27. I don't watch news on tv anymore unless its an election night.

But I'll catch clips here and there on occasion. I guess I watch Real Time fairly faithfully but that doesn't really count. I prefer to read DUs breaking news threads, seems to be the best way to get news without the bullshit.

[Cha]

30. I can see why! I don't even watch the clips.. but, maybe if I did I could know

more of the bullshite that's going on.

[joshcryer]

28. Waited for the "tough & uncomfortable questions."

They never came. First time I think I ever sat through a full FOX News interview in my life. I mean it.

[Cha]

32. Good for you, josh.. sitting through that interview!

[Cha]

21. Wonder if GG likes this about fox "news"?

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[struggle4progress]

23. Doesn't Glenn have a brand-spankin-new media empire to frolick in?

Ida thunk that might oughta could give him room to show-case his own reportering skills and dazzle all the rest of everybody else showin em how it's spozed be done

[Cha]

35. Yeah, he does but when there's Whine and Cheeze to be served up to his

glennbots then it must be done.

[MineralMan]

50. He does, but it's not getting any traction. Too much competition,

I suppose, or the wrong team of journalists.

[Blue_Tires]

75. the intercept is fraudulent front company

Even the site's "founding editor" has pretty much dropped all pretense of his site being anything other than a glorified blog...Omdiyar had to set it up so greenie would have his 'excuse' to leave the Guardian and maintain complete editorial control over the cache...

I am curious to know how all those major news outlets who gave unabashed ballwashing interviews about greenwald and omdiyar "changing the face of modern journalism" feel about the bait and switch...

Edit: And now Marcy wheeler is writing Google-worship propaganda pieces for the Cato institute? This is just too good...When do people finally start to admit I was right about 90% of this whole circus?

[hrmjustin]

26. I wish Fox and MSNBC were tough on both parties.

[deutsey]

54. Agreed

We also need to remember that, when it comes to MSNBC, it was the network that canned Phil Donahue in the days leading up to the invasion of Iraq for no other reason than he was featuring anti-war guests on his show.

I think the current owners have developed the network's "lean forward" kind of liberal news talk shows because they know there is an under-served market for such programming, but they will not allow it to lean too far forward (hence drivel like Morning Joe, for example).

FOX is blatantly right-wing propaganda, MSNBC's evening lineup is definitely left-of-center, but both remain within the parameters of what's sanctioned as acceptable discourse.

Left-wing (as opposed to merely left-of-center) views are rarely, if ever, allowed.

[betsuni]

29. Anyone insisting MSNBC isn't tough on Democrats is willfully ignorant

Or lying. I don't understand why some people don't care about being wrong for all the public to see. I'd be embarrassed.

[davidpdx]

43. Yet there are people in this thread that have

They are called internet idiots.

[Jamaal510]

31. The title of this should be

"Glenn Greenwald pretends that Joe Scarborough, Luke Russert, David Gregory, Michael Steele, etc. don't exist."

I wonder what will be his next easily-refutable talking point. The more he talks, the more he sticks his foot in his mouth.

[Cha]

36. "Glenn Greenwald pretends that Joe Scarborough, Luke Russert, David Gregory, Michael Steele, etc.

don't exist" Done.

Greenwald on the Bush Admin

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

TDB

[JI7]

41. maybe he will put out a clarification and how what he meant

was...................................

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[Cha]

39. Greenwald on the bush admin back in the day..

Greenwald on the Bush Admin

I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president’s performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

TDB

freakin' hypocrite.

[ReverendDeuce]

46. Can the anti-Greenwald crowd just admit...

Can the anti-Greenwald crowd just admit that it's because a Democrat is in office that these leaks and Greenwald enrage them so much? Just admit it. I'm actually okay with it and wouldn't criticize it. I just don't understand why nobody can just come out and say it here.

As for the Greenwald quote, remember how popular the war was "back in the day"? I think a lot of people felt the way Greenwald did. I had a twinge of "yay USA!" for a few minutes when I saw the Saddam statue get pulled down. Good sense caught up to me quickly, though, as I knew it was just propaganda.

[Armstead]

64. Thank you.

I suspect if Bush were president when Greenwald (and Snowden) did what they did, many of the same people who are beating up on them so incessantly would be just as incessant in their praise of them.

Grenwald was off the mark on this observation about Fox and MSNBC. Big deal. His praise of Kelly's softball "hard questions" to Cheney is being echoed by many here.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. funny he didnt choose to when good ol George was Potus

[jeff47]

65. You're assuming that Greenwald would do anything with a Republican in office.

His track record does not show that to be the case. Granted, it's a whopping two presidencies since he's not geriatric.

[Cha]

79. GG's a hypocritical ass.

[IcyPeas]

40. Glenn Greenwald will be on Bill Maher's show this week. /eom/

[otohara]

73. Ugh

Netflix tonight

[Cha]

80. Yuck.

[mfcorey1]

45. Opportunist Greenwald

[PragmaticLiberal]

47. I guess Mr. Greenwald has never watched Chris Matthews......

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. Is anyone surprised by this? Probably too many black hosts for his taste.

[JNelson6563]

58. Yeah, I'd be more impressed if it was BEFORE the fucking war.

Didn't Greenwald support the war? Or am I mistaken?

Julie

[whatchamacallit]

60. Desperate much?

Your Greenwald ankle biting is embarrassingly lame.

[Cali_Democrat]

66. I don't think there's anything I enjoy more than taunting Greenwald and his sycophants

Well...maybe the World Cup come close...

Are you watching this game between Costa Rica and Italy?

Great game!! Costa Rica is up 1-0.

[Ikonoklast]

61. Interesting thread. But, I have a question.

Can anyone tell me the names of some of the knots I see the knee-jerk Greenwald supporters tying themselves up in?

I've never seen these type before, they are new to me.

[Jamaal510]

68. Maybe the Flying Dutchman knows:

[Tarheel_Dem]

77. Thanks to Whisp, I think this sums it up pretty well. It's a fairly new phenomenon.

[Cha]

81. Tiger Beat, of course!

thanks Tarheel via Whisp!

[Tarheel_Dem]

82. That single cover says more than I ever could, my dear Cha.

[Cha]

83. Really.. and doubly delicious since

it was developed because of much needed blowback.

[G_j]

62. nice spin on your subject line

but that is to be expected..

[lame54]

69. I guess they missed their 8 year window...

To call him out when it might have meant something

[Blue_Tires]

72. I love it when greenie pretends to be a media critic

Man, he really has a harsh hatred of the mainstream media... Well, except for the times when its working to further HIS agenda...

While he's on the topic, can we take another look at that softball love fest Brian Williams orchestrated in their honor? Not a lot of difficult questions in that interview, either...

I swore I was going to leave greenie alone since pushing his buttons and watching the enevitible freakout has gotten kind of boring...with tweets like that, why is he making it so difficult for me to say adieu?