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pbmus

(12,418 posts)
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:01 PM Jun 2014

Fool me twice ... you pack of liars ... NOT AGAIN

The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies

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Polls suggest that Americans tend to differentiate between our “good war” in Iraq — “Operation Desert Storm,” launched by George HW Bush in 1990 — and the “mistake” his son made in 2003.

Across the ideological spectrum, there’s broad agreement that the first Gulf War was “worth fighting.” The opposite is true of the 2003 invasion, and a big reason for those divergent views was captured in a 2013 CNN poll that found that “a majority of Americans (54%) say that prior to the start of the war the administration of George W. Bush deliberately misled the U.S. public about whether Baghdad had weapons of mass destruction.”

But as the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to urge the US to once again commit troops to Iraq, it’s important to recall that the first Gulf War was sold to the public on a pack of lies that were just as egregious as those told by the second Bush administration 12 years later.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-first-iraq-war-was-also-sold-to-the-public-based-on-a-pack-of-lies/

http://harpers.org/blog/2008/01/935-lies-on-the-way-to-a-war/
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Fool me twice ... you pack of liars ... NOT AGAIN (Original Post) pbmus Jun 2014 OP
Bill Moyer is the best in getting the truth out there. n/t Cleita Jun 2014 #1
One of the best we have ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #2
I dunno Separation Jun 2014 #3
Yeppers, the world is literally swimming in oil ... we do not need to dig up anymore ... nt pbmus Jun 2014 #4
Oil is a necessary resource at this point. Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #5
This is wrong in so many ways... malokvale77 Jun 2014 #11
You're reading too much into my post Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #12
I read your post as it was written. malokvale77 Jun 2014 #13
You're confusing "makes sense" and "is right" -- I specifically said it isn't right. Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #16
I'm not confusing anything malokvale77 Jun 2014 #17
Sure it does Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #18
You won't fight a war jamzrockz Jun 2014 #20
I guess that depends on your definition of sense Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #21
It also makes sense for a religious man jamzrockz Jun 2014 #22
Needing a tangible resources is more logical than waging war for the FSM Michigander_Life Jun 2014 #23
It's the greed that doesn't make sense malokvale77 Jul 2014 #25
Fooled me never. progressoid Jun 2014 #6
wish i could say that. barbtries Jun 2014 #7
We haven't fought a defensive war since 1945 - just sayin'. rickyhall Jun 2014 #8
I didn't agree with the first one. I was horrified by him taking us to war like that. Like the blood freshwest Jun 2014 #9
True. Read Ramsey Clark: The Fire This Time:US War Crimes in the Gulf c.1992-Eye Opener. joanbarnes Jun 2014 #10
Who actually thinks the first one was worth fighting? 6000eliot Jun 2014 #14
Nope, protested that one as well. Folks, you aren't being fooled, you are fooling yourselves TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #15
we all know it--even our parakeets know it: but does it matter? MisterP Jun 2014 #19
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #24

Separation

(1,975 posts)
3. I dunno
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jun 2014

I always thought it was pretty well known and spoken of that the first Gulf War was specifically for oil.

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
5. Oil is a necessary resource at this point.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jun 2014

I would rather fight for oil than, say, religion. Fighting for a resource makes sense. It isn't right, but it makes sense.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
11. This is wrong in so many ways...
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:00 PM
Jun 2014

1. We don't need to fight for oil. We have our own.

2. Would you like to take my grandson's place in this fight for oil?

3. We have no rights to other countries resources. It isn't right and it will never make sense.

The only reason to ever use our military is to protect our homeland. It is not the job of our military to protect the investments of commodity traders.

I thought your nipple alert was silly, but this post just shows your true colors.

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
12. You're reading too much into my post
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jun 2014

My comment was that a war over a strategic resource makes sense, whereas a war over religion does not make sense. I specifically said that such a war (over oil) was NOT RIGHT.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
13. I read your post as it was written.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jun 2014

War for resources "does not" make sense. We have our own, we do not have the right to steal others. That is exactly what we are doing. Not because we need them, but because a few commodity traders have invested in them.

War for resources is no more righteous than war for religion. Both are ridiculous.

I ask you again, do you want to take the place of my grandchild to fight for resources that we have no legitimate claim to?

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
17. I'm not confusing anything
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jun 2014

It makes no more sense than it is right.

You seem to be having a problem with reading comprehension.

I will say it again. It does not make sense to go to war for resources that do not belong to us.

Are you willing to take my grandchilds place to fight for what is not ours?

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
18. Sure it does
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 10:49 PM
Jun 2014

Resources are important. When the water shortages come, when we have polluted and wasted all of our fresh water to the point ours is GONE, we will go to war and steal the water of weaker nations. And it will make sense -- they have a resource we need to survive, so we will take it, because we can. It won't be right but it will happen.

When I say "make sense" you're equating that with "makes it ok." That isn't what I've said and isn't what I've meant. I don't believe that a war over oil or water is right. It's wrong - very wrong.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
20. You won't fight a war
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:53 AM
Jun 2014

to steal a country's female population just because they are important for life? The idea is that when something be it, man, woman, oil, gold, land doesn't belong to you, fighting for it is no different from theft. And stealing doesn't make sense

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
21. I guess that depends on your definition of sense
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:08 AM
Jun 2014

I think it makes sense for the starving man to steal bread. I think it makes sense for the desperate man to steal money. Stealing makes sense to me. Just because something makes sense doesn't mean it's right. It just means that there is a reason behind an action.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
22. It also makes sense for a religious man
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:15 AM
Jun 2014

to fight a war against infidels. depending on one's perspective, everything makes sense

 

Michigander_Life

(549 posts)
23. Needing a tangible resources is more logical than waging war for the FSM
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:18 AM
Jun 2014

The desperate man needs money. The starving man needs food. The greedy country needs oil.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
25. It's the greed that doesn't make sense
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jul 2014

That was my point. Need makes sense. Greed does not.

We don't need it. We have our own.

Greed is never a reason to slaughter.

As far as water goes, it's greed that has destroyed our supply of that "real need".

You can try to justify the raping of natural resources all you want, but I for one will not buy into said justification. I have been around too long to not see what those arguments are about.

I have not misread anything you have said here, I just will not agree.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
7. wish i could say that.
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 06:36 PM
Jun 2014

i thought at the time it was a "righteous" war. i shudder looking back. after it ended with saddam still in power i became very cynical and can no longer say when i learned of the lies the whole thing was built on. i believed at the time that they didn't take him out then so they would have a handy reason for another war. but a friend whose husband was there told me it was because they couldn't get to him. i don't know. there's so much more that i don't know than i do, but i know this now: they're full of shit and their wars are concocted to keep them rich, whether it's through oil or the entire MIC.
the 2nd war i was against from the get. including the invasion of afghanistan.
so sick of it

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. I didn't agree with the first one. I was horrified by him taking us to war like that. Like the blood
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 08:06 PM
Jun 2014
from Vietnam wasn't enough. But Bush and his corporate cronies saw a new generation to be usd as fresh cannonfodder. Too many came home very ill but I won't go into details.

Despite the media spin, which was very restricted by Bush, there were enormous casaulties for either side in the long run, as all the Bush wars were.

IIRC, that war was the first time enlisted parents - both parents - were deployed without any consideration of their children. A reversal of the WW2 rule of not sending too many of the family to war.

There is something very wrong with that family. And they're still at it, grifting on a higher level than Palin could ever be.

6000eliot

(5,643 posts)
14. Who actually thinks the first one was worth fighting?
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jun 2014

It was the same horseshit engineered by almost the same people using the same lies as the second one.

TheKentuckian

(24,934 posts)
15. Nope, protested that one as well. Folks, you aren't being fooled, you are fooling yourselves
Sun Jun 29, 2014, 09:49 PM
Jun 2014

none of the bullshit makes the slightest sense and less so with every cycle.

The options are wanting to believe what "authority figures" say for whatever reason, don't believe it but go along to get along, near oblivious ignorance, or being fucking stupid.

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