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(286 posts)Unfortunately that's true.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)pbmus
(12,422 posts)boguspotus
(286 posts)When he ran for vice president wasn't his stance Medicare for all? But since no one wanted him to be president in 2004 he turned into a whiney little asshole and became a right winger? Joe was so important (to himself) that he just had to be a dick because he could.
(He wasn't the only one though.)
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)we might have gotten public option.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Still do.
Two thirds!
If Democrats didn't get it done, they either didn't want it or they totally suck as politicians.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Many millions cast their first vote or crossed over in 2008 because they thought a Dem WH and big congressional majorities would enact a sea change in priorities. For whatever reason, Reid & Pelosi & Obama were unable to deliver, and...oops.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)For example, lots and lots of people on DU claim they voted for Obama in 2008 so that we'd get out of Afghanistan. And they were pissed when he didn't immediately pull out.
He campaigned on staying in Afghanistan. In fact, he was calling for additional troops during the campaign.
An enormous amount of that "sea change" you describe is similar. It's people deciding Obama must be for _______ despite candidate Obama saying nothing or saying the opposite.
drm604
(16,230 posts)Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)would rhyme with this:
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So, how could they have gotten "The Senator from Aetna" to vote for single-payer?
Oh, and once you've got that, then we can move down to getting Ben Nelson to vote for single-payer. And on to the next, and the next, and the next....
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Remind me... was Lieberman the 50th vote?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)according to Sen. Wyden.
So you either need to come up with a way to get Leiberman's vote, or you need come up with a way to convince 30 Senators to give up power.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Didn't ACA pass with 50 votes using reconciliation?
(Heck, I remember when almost any bill could pass with 50 votes, back when the filibuster rules weren't insane - but hey, it would be unreasonable to return to those rules.)
jeff47
(26,549 posts)One with 60 votes, one with 50 to tweak paying for it. There's lots in the ACA that can't pass through reconciliation, such as "no pre-existing conditions".
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)In any case, if 2/3rds of americans wanted it, and Democrats wanted it, it should have passed.
ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)if you follow the metaphor.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Gothmog
(144,945 posts)bhikkhu
(10,713 posts)And statistics indicate that at least 10 million people would share my experience.
Also, I got a new job (at last) in a largish corporation that offers healthcare coverage. At our first benefits meeting, they were pleased to announce that for 2014-2015, for the first time in 15 years, there will be no increase in the cost of the employee share of benefits. In spite of having to up coverage to comply with the law.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/20/health-care-spending-growth/3650243/ "Healthcare Spending Increases Hit New Lows". The law works.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,253 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)Is that Doctor_J as in the basketball player or because you're a doctor of something?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Cha
(296,875 posts)helping many many Families. No use whining about what could have never happened in the first place. We got this.. and it's only Growing. Thanks Obama!
pbmus
(12,422 posts)at this point, insurance companies are still involved in health care, which is an oxymoron ...
Cha
(296,875 posts)pre-existing conditions.
Blue dogs wouldn't let single payer go anywhere.. I know because I had one in NY back then and tried to talk to him about it.
pbmus
(12,422 posts)be less costly to do single payer than what they have concocted for the insurance companies benefit ...
Amonester
(11,541 posts)(and the one before it) does.not.work.
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)figuratively, of course.