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Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:26 AM

Once more, the SCOTUS proves why important to have DEMOCRATIC presidents...

Never ever forget that fact.

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Reply Once more, the SCOTUS proves why important to have DEMOCRATIC presidents... (Original post)
MrScorpio Jun 2014 OP
FSogol Jun 2014 #1
rurallib Jun 2014 #2
MoonRiver Jun 2014 #3
randys1 Jun 2014 #4
NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #18
1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #26
NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #27
1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #28
randys1 Jun 2014 #29
NYC Liberal Jun 2014 #30
stevenleser Jun 2014 #40
BootinUp Jun 2014 #5
MrScorpio Jun 2014 #8
Democat Jun 2014 #15
MrScorpio Jun 2014 #24
Zipgun Jun 2014 #50
MrScorpio Jun 2014 #53
beerandjesus Jun 2014 #19
MrScorpio Jun 2014 #25
jeff47 Jun 2014 #46
Zipgun Jun 2014 #54
ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #6
Phentex Jun 2014 #9
ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #11
Phentex Jun 2014 #12
VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #39
ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #41
VanillaRhapsody Jun 2014 #43
ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2014 #44
beerandjesus Jul 2014 #63
VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #64
beerandjesus Jul 2014 #65
VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #67
beerandjesus Jul 2014 #68
VanillaRhapsody Jul 2014 #69
reddread Jun 2014 #7
alp227 Jun 2014 #36
mcar Jun 2014 #10
Skidmore Jun 2014 #13
hedgehog Jun 2014 #14
Mike Nelson Jun 2014 #16
n2doc Jun 2014 #17
Romulox Jun 2014 #20
uponit7771 Jun 2014 #21
ffr Jun 2014 #22
stevenleser Jun 2014 #23
RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #31
stevenleser Jun 2014 #32
Politicub Jun 2014 #35
jeff47 Jun 2014 #48
RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #55
RedSpartan Jun 2014 #33
Politicub Jun 2014 #34
ReRe Jun 2014 #37
Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2014 #38
iandhr Jun 2014 #42
jeff47 Jun 2014 #51
iandhr Jun 2014 #62
beerandjesus Jul 2014 #66
SidDithers Jun 2014 #45
Kablooie Jun 2014 #47
Scurrilous Jun 2014 #49
GoCubsGo Jun 2014 #52
calimary Jun 2014 #56
BumRushDaShow Jun 2014 #57
Agschmid Jun 2014 #58
stage left Jun 2014 #59
cstanleytech Jun 2014 #60
Jamaal510 Jun 2014 #61

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:26 AM

1. K & R. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:27 AM

2. rec, rec, rec

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:27 AM

3. Absolutely!

Just hope the non-crazy electorate is paying attention and VOTES!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:28 AM

4. I was just saying I wish Gore had fought like it was his life, this doesnt happen if W isnt allowed

to steal the election

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Response to randys1 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:49 AM

18. How does Gore prevent SCOTUS from installing Bush?

Staging a coup?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:53 AM

26. By not ending the fight to count the Florida votes ...

 

It might not have prevented the installation of bush; but it would have ended any speculation as to who won the election (i.e., the popular AND Electoral College).

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:55 AM

27. What fight is there beyond SCOTUS?

Blame the Senate Dems who didn't back the challenge during the EV count. We needed only ONE Dem senator to support the House Dems' challenge.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:59 AM

28. True ...

 

But if the candidate concedes, it is unlikely others will/would take up the fight.

But honestly, this is all "what if/after-whist", it is what it is ... bush was installed.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:00 AM

29. Gore didnt fight in 2000 to the degree he should have to stop the steal

there were other legal avenues he could use to protest the obvious stealing of the election

as i recall from an article from someone that he had options

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Response to randys1 (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:05 AM

30. There were no more legal avenues. He fought all the way to SCOTUS.

The last possible resort was a challenge during the counting of the Electoral Votes in January. House Democrats officially challenged, but the rules required at least one Senator to sign on. Not a single Democratic senator would sign the challenge. Blame them. Gore himself had no other options.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:03 PM

40. Yes, what exactly was going to compel a Republican Florida Governor and legislature to keep counting

 

They weren't going to count any more votes and nothing could make them.

I don't understand this "GORE SHOULD HAVE KEPT FIGHTING !!!11!!11!!!!1!1!11" meme some cling to here.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:29 AM

5. NADER!!!!!!!

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:32 AM

8. No, no Nader blaming in my thread.

Blame the state of Florida for botching that election.

If Florida had not incompetently ran their election, no matter what the outcome, win or lose, they never would have needed to decide the outcome in the Supreme Court.

I really hate that blame Nader shit.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:41 AM

15. Nader had a chance to do the right thing

He chose to help Bush.

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Response to Democat (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:52 AM

24. The case to resolve the outcome of the election didn't stem from Nader "helping" Bush

It came from the sole fact that, through either incompetence or malfeasance, Florida fucked up their own election process.

If Nader earned his place on the ballot legally, the point is moot. If people voted for him, they had every right to do so.

Florida, on the other hand, could have fielded both a workable ballot AND counted the votes accurately, they did neither, hence why the outcome was decided in the court.

I really don't give two fucks about Nader. Gore would have won the election outright, had the votes were all counted correctly anyway, despite Nader's bid.

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #24)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:31 PM

50. It was not incompetence, it was deliberate, very deliberate. It went way beyond ballots and counts,

it also included voter suppression and corruption.

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Response to Zipgun (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:35 PM

53. I can dig it nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:50 AM

19. Thank you.

And thanks to the poster above who, like me, wishes that Gore had FOUGHT.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:53 AM

25. I'm with you nt

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:25 PM

46. He did fight.

How, exactly, was Gore supposed to appeal the SCOTUS ruling?

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:37 PM

54. Gore screwed up in more than one way, but Nader does not get off free in my book.

Sadly, in some ways it was the perfect storm of corruption, voter suppression, ego and incompetence. I SOOO wish Graham had been chosen rather the Lieberman for vice-president, it would not have been close enough for the Bush forces to steal the election, and he would have made a good vice-president.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:30 AM

6. I'm sorry, are we voting for anyone other that a Democrat? nt

 

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:33 AM

9. Plenty plan to sit on their hands if Clinton is nominated...

let's see where that gets anyone.

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Response to Phentex (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:35 AM

11. No they're not, despite what stupid shit they say. When it comes down to it,

 

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99.9% of those sulking now will vote for the nominee, even if it's Hillary.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:39 AM

12. Let's hope.

Otherwise, more of this type of crap.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:00 PM

39. Then they need to fucking stop it.....

 

And we need to stop tolerating it here..

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:04 PM

41. Tolerating what? Their first choice not being Hillary or saying they're not going to vote?

 

I don't want Hillary, but I will vote for her if she is the nominee.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:07 PM

43. that is the only valid answer.....but that is not

 

How some are answering it. I have seen it said many times that they simply will not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination. Those folks need to be purged from DU now...


They are not true Democrats.....they are idelogues and Independents. And in violation of TOS because their words and actions do not promote electing more Dems and less Republicans...

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:09 PM

44. Agreed. nt

 

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #43)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:37 AM

63. Doesn't it get tiring, calling for pogroms every time you post?

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #63)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:39 AM

64. doesnt it get boring bashing Drmocrats on a democratic

 

Forum? That is what ideologues do....I remind you this is Democratic Underground.

Independent Underground is ---thataway---->

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #64)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:31 PM

65. Ah, the "friendly" TOS reminder.

Have you ever seen how dreamy the POTUS looks when he's eating an ice cream cone?

Doesn't the POTUS have the most beautiful children?


Is that better? This is, after all, DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Discussing-the-Issues Underground.

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #65)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:40 PM

67. yes it is thanks!

 

Some of us come here as s refuge from the hate.....you seem to be under the mistaken notion that DU is the Democratic Complaint Department.

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Response to VanillaRhapsody (Reply #67)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:45 PM

68. You, too, can rack up 11,000 posts by flaming fellow Democrats in every thread!

Not taking any more of your bait. Till the next time, anyway...

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Response to beerandjesus (Reply #68)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:47 PM

69. you mean defending Democrats from psuedo

 

Democrats on a Democratic Forum......there fixed that for you...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:31 AM

7. Thank you Joe Biden

 

we never could have got here without you.

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Response to reddread (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:27 AM

36. Because of Clarence Thomas.

Why couldn't the senate democrats have bork'd that creep Thomas? Biden also banned some witnesses who would corroborate Anita Hill, of I recall correctly.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:35 AM

10. K&R

GOTV 2014!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:40 AM

13. And why the 2014 election of Congress matters too.

Get a fricking Dem majority in Congress where legislation is written.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:41 AM

14. Well said!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:42 AM

16. People who sit out the next election, observe...

A Republican Congress will NEVER permit another Obama pick for the Court.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:47 AM

17. Shame the Senate Dems never did the right things

One can bet that if the Repubs take over the senate in 2015 and an opening on the USSC comes up, they will never allow Obama to appoint a Judge.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:51 AM

20. Who has worked to blur the lines between Democrats and Republicans for 20 some years now? nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:51 AM

21. I NEED A PURITY PONY DAMMIT!!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:51 AM

22. Suffice it to say, No More Republicans.

I get it. I'm hoping people say involved in November as well.

No Republicans in any positions. Not one!!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:51 AM

23. That is exactly right. It's never OK to vote third party or refuse to vote for the Dem nominee. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:06 AM

31. Damn right! You're going to vote for HRC. And you're going to like it!!



"The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice. You have owners."
-- George Carlin

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:11 AM

32. If she is the nominee and you don't, then you don't care about women's rights for starters...

 

... and if the Republican wins, you will be responsible for everything else that person does.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:15 AM

35. I wish I could post what I really think of your position

And you. But I would get banned.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:28 PM

48. The time to make your stand is in the primary.

We steer the party via primary elections. Then vote for the Democrat in the general election, holding your nose if necessary. Then vote against them again in the next primary.

In the primary, Democratic candidates don't have the option to "appeal to the center". In general elections, they do. As a result, we have far more power in primary elections than in general elections.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #48)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:42 PM

55. Agree. Primaries should be used for a spirited debate. Not a coronation. n/t

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:13 AM

33. Elections have f*cking consequences.

Oh, you're going to sit this one out if HRC is the nominee? Or going to vote for a third-party candidate?

Fine, you have that right.

And I have the right to call you a shortsighted fool.

I don't care who the Dem nominee is. I care about WINNING.

And I will vote for the Dem nominee come hell or high water so that the Republicans, who are holding on to the USSC by the old, white skin of their teeth and doing immeasurable damage, will not be able to keep their dark cloud over my children's future.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:13 AM

34. Welcome to the new age of segregation

Corporations are people that can refuse to follow laws.

And the GOP can burn in hell.

I'm so angry right now. Anyone who threatens to sit out election and not vote dem because of their precious purity deserves no respect.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:29 AM

37. Yes...

... when election day rolls around, everyone who calls him/herself a Democrat should remember these rulings by this SCOTUS. This Democracy is headed in the wrong direction!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:33 AM

38. Nah! People too busy blaming and hating the black guy in the White House. Hate trumps logic

 

and rational thought. Sadly.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:07 PM

42. Tomorrow

The top recd thread here will be Hilary is evil. People will forget about this very quickly to applaud the Hillary bashers.

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Response to iandhr (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:33 PM

51. Those two opinions are not contradictory.

I'm not going to vote for Clinton in the primary. I do not like her policies.

If she wins the primary, I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the general. That does not make her policies good. That means she's the least-bad option.

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #51)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 03:37 PM

62. That's a pragmatic way to look at things.

But there are people like on this thread who say they won't vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5075831

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Response to jeff47 (Reply #51)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:35 PM

66. Thank you. I wish some people had an easier time understanding this:

"Understanding that the Republicans are WAY worse than Democrats" is sort of like "Walking".

"Wanting a better candidate than Hillary, and being really unhappy about some of HRC's policies" is sort of like "Chewing Gum".


We can do both at the same time.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:13 PM

45. DU rec. Fuck all the "not a dime's worth of difference" types...nt

Sid

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:28 PM

47. Bush must be proud how his court is slamming the steering wheel to the right.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:30 PM

49. Amen!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:35 PM

52. AND a Democratic House and Senate.

They have to approve the president's picks.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:46 PM

56. Uh-HUH!!!! Well, MrScorpio, we tell 'em and tell 'em and tell 'em, and remind 'em and remind 'em

and remind 'em. And they don't go out and vote. They concede before even going out onto the playing field. They shrug their shoulders and parrot the CON logic that "both parties alike." "They're all the same." No difference between blah-blah-blah..."

What can you do? And hey, religiosos - what happens when some Sharia Muslim business folk assert the same right that YOU assumed was only going to be confined to the Southern Baptist contingent? Whaddya do then?

Hey, folks at the state level - STILL think both parties are alike? STILL think there's no point in voting? STILL think your voice counts as much as the wackos who show up, pardon the pun, religiously at the polls every doggone time, whether it's for President or dog catcher - IF YOU DON'T SHOW UP??? STILL think what YOU thought was "settled law" really IS accepted as "settled law"?

I hope this sends a message to all the marriage equality advocates across America. Just because you're winning now doesn't mean that will stand. There are far too many people who think YOU do not deserve such rights or protections, and the Supreme Court has just opened the door to arguments they can now use on their side - to insist that THEIR "closely-held" religious right trumps yours. And they don't give up. They WILL be coming for those hard-earned and hard-fought rights you've recently won. GUARANTEED. Indeed, they already are!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:50 PM

57. K&R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 12:54 PM

58. Kick.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:08 PM

59. Yes.

Whoever the Democratic candidate is, I'm voting for him/her.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:25 PM

60. No, actually focusing sololy on that a horrible idea imo.

Why? Because while the presidents a key spot they all play a part from the senate who confirms the positions to local state government as its the local state government that sets the districts and the republicans have been able to gerrymander so many of the districts to favor their candidates at the federal level because they realized long ago that the state level government matters alot more than just the office of president.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon Jun 30, 2014, 01:54 PM

61. This shouldn't even need to be emphasized on a Dem website. nt

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