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salin

(48,955 posts)
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 10:48 PM Jun 2014

Today: the war on women broke wide open.

Why has this term stopped being used politically? It was actively pushed in 2012 - but by 2013, outside of the state senator in Texas (thank you Wendy Davis) - the phrase has dropped from the political discourse. Guessing some high paid consultants indicated that it was a net loser term.

Hello!?!

Corporations can exclude paying for birth control on religious reasons - who have raised no objections that I have read per viagra or vasectomies (so it isn't about changing God's will per whether an egg should be fertilized and then be able to grow to full human life.) So this really isn't just about the religious philosophy per "right to life" and "God's Will" and not interfering.

Domestic work - because it is in homes - can be categorized as different than any other type of employment and be held to much lower pay standards. Even if the employer is not the home but the state (per conditions per the work contract and pay responsibility) rather than the client (home.) This predominantly female employed field - weakens workers' positions greatly. I don't have a legal back ground - so I can only respond from gut reaction - but does diminishing the role of work in the home compared to work in "a work place" outside of a home - have potential impacts on divorce settlements for "house wifes" - allowing a definition that treats work differently?

The "War on Women" rhetoric - in my opinion - needs to come back into the common political discourse. Expand the discussion from extremely restrictive state level legislation to include Supreme Court rulings (effecting federal and state court rulings.)

Add the past 2 years of reactionary/right responses to sexual assault (against women and men) - and the extreme state level laws attempted and passed that are directed at womens' reproduction conditions/to mandate medically how treatment has to be extremely limited - and it doesn't appear that the reality of the "war on women" has changed - indeed it has accelerated.

We should reclaim and use the term - there is a "war on woman" - as it is more true than ever. There is no indication that it will recede until the public voice is far too universal to deny.

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Today: the war on women broke wide open. (Original Post) salin Jun 2014 OP
"The War" is not exclusively waged against women... CorporatistNation Jun 2014 #1
+1 Rich women will be fine. As the rich always are leftstreet Jun 2014 #2
Don't try to move the goal posts. Gormy Cuss Jun 2014 #3
+1 theHandpuppet Jun 2014 #6
Both should be discussed. salin Jul 2014 #8
True but the thread was specifically about women. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #11
Very good points made salin Jul 2014 #7
With so many other wars lost, the war on women is all the right wing has left McCamy Taylor Jun 2014 #4
Agree with your point, but lament at the logic. salin Jul 2014 #9
I actually think a short catch phrase may not be necessary now BootinUp Jun 2014 #5
I hope you are right. salin Jul 2014 #10

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
1. "The War" is not exclusively waged against women...
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:09 PM
Jun 2014

but the entire working family. Wealthy women do not have to work at the Lobby. They have access to the full spectrum of options for their health care exempt from any and all barriers. It is the women who are stuck in these positions due to lack of access to education or professional opportunities due to the station of their birth mostly. The religion aspect of this ruling is a farce as well and is merely used as a cloak for the political motive. This decision is all about control by The Corporation over the lives of the average Jill or Joe. Expanding Citizens United. One must again ask what is the legal basis as to "WHY" someone incorporates their business? I will not answer that because I'm certain that most here understand the rationale for incorporating. That rationale is becoming increasingly hazy when said corporation(s) are accorded the rights of an individual such that the act of incorporating was partly designed to eliminate in the first place vs. the actual living owners.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
3. Don't try to move the goal posts.
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:12 PM
Jun 2014

The War on Women is real. The War on Working Families is also real and not the topic of discussion in this thread.

salin

(48,955 posts)
8. Both should be discussed.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:44 AM
Jul 2014

One of the interesting effects of the Occupy Movement in 2011 - was that most members of the younger generation in the family (in their 20s) had their views per corporate citizenship (primary) over individual citizenship (less primary) as clear understanding. The conversations started during that movement - took hold for many younger people as the issue per lack of basic economic opportunity became clear as they entered the marketplace.

These conversations, and this language - tied to the harsh realities (per court decisions, and state and national laws become enacted) need to be discussed - frequently enough that it is part of the national dialogue.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
11. True but the thread was specifically about women.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:34 AM
Jul 2014

There is a context for examining the larger war on the working class and how it plays out in policies against women but shifting the principle discussion to a war on the working class is off topic. The laws against reproductive autonomy affect ALL women, not just the working class and low income women.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
4. With so many other wars lost, the war on women is all the right wing has left
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:20 PM
Jun 2014

and they are fighting as if their lives depend upon keeping us underpaid, undereducated and afraid. Why? Because capital must have an underpaid work force to drive down wages for all workers. That's how they keep profits high. And the best way to keep a woman stuck in a low paying dead end job is saddle her with a couple of unplanned pregnancies. THAT is the reason the right wing hates contraception.

Contraception for women = Literacy for Blacks in the 1800s

Dangerous...to corporate profits.

salin

(48,955 posts)
9. Agree with your point, but lament at the logic.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jul 2014

had the opportunity to visit family in Scandinavia, recently, where the investment in wages is higher - and there are infrastructure projects happening all over the place (people earn more - spend more = higher taxes collected and more to invest.)

Some of the same corporations that fleece us - operate differently in different countries because they can earn a lot when the people earn more.

Ours is such an increasing Dickinsian society - and imo so short-shortsightedly so.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
5. I actually think a short catch phrase may not be necessary now
Mon Jun 30, 2014, 11:24 PM
Jun 2014

Why?

Because this is the type of big political event that people will know about and remember without the catchy talking point. Just remind them that SCOTUS says corporations religious rights trumps womens rights. That women working part time do not get the same union protections as full time workers. Thats it, game ON.

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