And today's game is: Let's Minimize the Unequal Treatment of Women!

[redqueen]

Because fuck principles! All these uppity feminist wimminz and their silly liberal allies are SO overreacting!

Amirite bros?

[gwheezie]

1. I hate this "narrow" decision bullshit

The old men picked a favorite religion and gender. Corporations are people and religions apparently.

[redqueen]

3. So far I've seen two dismissive OPs. I don't even want to start reading comments

cause it's too early to be

but seriously I'm just at this point

[Marrah_G]

25. I know the ones you are talking about

Might be best to put them on ignore before they bait you into getting posts hidden.

[Aerows]

123. What you said

and they will bait you into getting a post hidden. I advise everyone to make use of jury blacklists.

[tblue37]

76. Just like their installation of Bush--they called that a "narrow" decision, too,

and said it applied only in that one case and could not be used as a precedent.

The conservative justices on the SC just pull their decisions out of their tushies, one at a time, based on nothing but their own partisan preference about a given issue, entirely without any regard for the Constitution or for long established precedents.

[dawg]

2. I have realized that I just don't understand ...

most of humanity.

I don't understand all the poor people who vote for the party of the rich.

I don't understand all the women who vote for the party of patriarchy. Hell, I don't even understand how women can even be in relationships with those men.

And our side isn't much better.

[redqueen]

5. Andrea Dworkin wrote a book about right wing women.

I haven't read it yet but I want to.

[winter is coming]

4. Funny how often that turns out to be "today's game". n/t

[redqueen]

7. Yeah no shit, right?

[CrispyQ]

6. I was in a bad mood all day yesterday & it's not much better today.

We are sliding backwards at an alarming rate.

[redqueen]

8. It's fucking frightening.

It reminds me or something a history professor told me: He said that as far left as the pendulum swung in the 60's, he was terrified to think how far right we would end up going before it started swinging back to the left.

[clarice]

28. It IS frightening...where the $%^& do we live...Iran ???? nt

[smirkymonkey]

100. Sometimes I think there is no end to how far right things are going to go.

It terrifies me.

[ladym55]

31. Same here

I always thought things would be better for my daughter. They're not. On many levels, they are actually worse.

[Solly Mack]

99. Seriously. It's beyond scary.

[Egnever]

9. No not really no

You always take one or two outliers to proclaim the mindset of the board. Both of those posts are getting push back.

But it's fun to play victim amiright?

Those decisions are so atrocious that I am hoping it ensures Dem wins going forward if only to see this court redefined.

One or two posters making ridiculous claims do not reflect the feelings of this board. Why is it so difficult to just shoot down their ridiculous threads instead of painting the entire board with their sentiments.

Seems you are more interested in division.

[redqueen]

10. If everyone but those two agree with me then how the FUCK is this divisive?

[Egnever]

14. Because you are pretending the board in general

Agreed with them which is ridiculous. No it is not minimize women's rights day on DU. You know damn well it isn't .

Last time I bump this dumb ass thread.

[redqueen]

15. Bullshit I am. That's your spin. There's more apologist shit on this board than those two posts.

You're the one imagining shit about "the board in general"

[bettyellen]

19. True! "Get (another) job is some RW bullshit. Unfucking believable to see it here.

[bettyellen]

11. we are advocating for women who ARE being victimized, it's not a game- but thanks for the disdain.

[Egnever]

12. No you aren't

You are claiming outrage.

[bettyellen]

16. Every Dem should be outraged at the court decision to specifically discriminate about women.

I'm giving the side eye to those who are not.

[MadrasT]

18. +1. Outrage is a wholly appropriate response. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

101. Absolutely!

This decision was outrageously offensive on so many levels. I am spitting nails right now.

Corporate personhood, activist judges, the aggressive dismantling of women's rights in this country, the continuous blurring of the lines between church and state. I could go on, but I have to go put my fist through a wall right now.

[redqueen]

21. "I'm giving the side eye to those who are not."

Fuckin A

[bettyellen]

22. Dems have allowed our bodies to become a fucking wedge issue bringing zealots to the poll

You'd think they would be smart enough to catch on what needs to be done? Seriously short sighted, this reluctance to support reproductive choice.

[suffragette]

112. + 1,000 bettyellen

[sheshe2]

49. "claiming outrage"

Really!?

[Squinch]

70. He seems outraged at our outrage, doesn't he? And I am pretty sure we are not "claiming outrage"

I for one am actually outraged. Plus annoyed at the stupid posters who need to tell us their opinions that our actual outrage is not warranted.

Honestly, the stupid around here sometimes....

[sheshe2]

73. Yes he does Squinch.

I would love to say I am surprised but am not.

[Squinch]

75. No. All the usual suspects are weighing in on this one. As if we didn't already know where they

stood.

[Generic Other]

82. we just turn it on and off

like fake orgasms.

[Squinch]

69. And, not surprisingly at all, you feel the need to express your umbrage about the fact that women

on this board are expressing their displeasure with the decision and the stupid reactions to the decision that are found here.

While at the same time saying that there are no problems with the attitude toward women here.

See anything funny about that?

[clarice]

67. I get the same disdain or NO responses about abused women in the Middle East.nt

[clarice]

72. See what I mean ? nt

[bettyellen]

83. Never seen you post on that *very different* problem...

And if you derail threads with a different issue, yeah, you'll be met w distain. Most disrupters are.

[Squinch]

85. I have to say, I've never seen all these posts either. Though there have been a number of comments

lately in a number of unrelated threads like this.

[JI7]

88. i have noticed the same thing

person complaining about people not commenting on their middle east threads.

first of all this is a US site which is mostly focused on US politics so most users and concerns will be about what goes on in this country.

most stories involving foreign events get less response than domestic news.

would people complain about lack of comments on threads in a French PRes election compared to the US Pres elections the way they are about this issue ?

[clarice]

119. I guess we'll put these comments in the "disdain" column. My point is made. nt

[Demit]

79. I don't see where she proclaimed the mindset of the board.

And I think your 'fun to play the victim' line is out of line. It shows your mindset, for sure.

Your whole post is a reach.

[chervilant]

84. "Always" and

"entire board."

Your biases are rather transparent, and you seem to show up on pro-feminism threads to flaunt your biases.

You are not subtle.

[Quantess]

13. Pshaw, you can still buy your own birth control pills.

Nobody is stopping you from paying full price if you really need your BC pills and IUD. Don't get hysterical, now.

/sarcasm

[redqueen]

17. I can't believe some of the shit I'm reading today. nt

[MuseRider]

20. It is everywhere.

It is disgusting.

I am going to go back out and mow.

Fuck this shit.

[redqueen]

23. Yes, it is.

Seems this decision has caused some to just come out and openly reveal their contempt for women.

[Marrah_G]

24. Just remember that most of the DU men have our back

There are a few loud, obnoxious ones who think we are just being hysterical, but they really are a very minute percentage of our DU brothers.

[redqueen]

27. Oh yeah,

and those few are getting lots of "blowback" for their 'settle down now its not that big a deal' posts.

I'd like to see more blowback for the 'women already get more freebies than men' post, but eh.

[MADem]

26. I don't know who is playing this game of which you speak,

but I've only seen a couple of people taking the attitude that this is 'nuthin' but a thang.'

Most people think it sucks. Most people are right.

[redqueen]

30. There are a handful.

And it is salt in the wound to women to not only know that these kinds of men post here, but to see their dismissive bullshit about this punch-to-the-face issue here, where we expect to be among allies.

They are being rightly trounced, so that's nice.

[Hekate]

36. At least one woman wrote such an OP last night, and defended it up and down.

I was aghast.

But maybe the Anarchist symbol was a clue I should have noticed.

[MADem]

48. My attitude is you can't fix stoooooopid, so why engage in the attempt?

You only meet with frustration.

It's like wrestling with a pig--you get dirty, hot and angry, and the pig likes it.

Throw the idiots some shade and move on.

[redqueen]

54. I have been trying. This OP is me commiserating with like-minded dems and progressives

who are equally sickened to see this much of that shit here.

[MADem]

59. When they toss out that "no big deal" garbage, they are hoping

to get a rise out of people.

It's obvious that they are idiots; they don't seem to realize where the hell they came from--they slept through the whole birds and bees lecture, I suppose.

They're as clueless as a tourist trapped in a sculpture--they need education and social skills, apparently.

[DonCoquixote]

80. If I mentioned them, I would get tosed

but if you pm me, I will gladly point them out.

[MADem]

111. I'd be inclined to go snarl at them...

I certainly don't want to give the little shits any more attention--it's what they crave!

But thanks! Appreciate the thought!

[William769]

29. Kicking for exposure.

[redqueen]

32. Thanks, William.

[William769]

33. Anytime.

[Hekate]

34. Plus we look so silly with our hair all on fire, right? Plus hysteria, yeah?

That's the word I was looking for, redqueen: HYSTERIA. Wimminz is known for hysteria. Proven scientific fact.

[redqueen]

37. Anyone using that word and claiming it is neutral deserves to be laughed off the fucking board.

This is a political board. People here should know the political impact of speech.

[Bobbie Jo]

64. Exactly

Spoken like a gen u ine knuckle-dragging troll.


Kick

[ohheckyeah]

63. And that's just while we aren't

imagining things.

[riqster]

35. "Today's"? Shit, it seems like the game every fucking day.

One day it's minimize rape, another it's pay inequality, today it's reproductive rights.

Christ on a teabag, this anti-female shit is all too prevalent.

One good thing: I was able to vote to circular-file one of the "minimize" threads today. Wonder of wonders, the vote result was to hide the misogynistic OP. Small victories...

[redqueen]

42. Well that is encouraging

But yeah, it does seem to be a rather obvious pattern. Especially for a few posters

[riqster]

51. Indeed. Hang in there, redqueen. I appreciate your posts.

Very informative and enlightening.

[redqueen]

60. Thanks riqster

[smirkymonkey]

102. Exactly. Everyday it seems like it's another fucking insult.

I am so goddamn tired of it.

[me b zola]

38. K&R

[BootinUp]

39. Not from this male DU'er

Its disgusting of course what you bring up. In fact DU disgusts me on a lot of days. I am a man yes, but recent SCOTUS decisions are really getting me down to be honest. I agree with the "women are often the canaries in the mine" comment from Sec. Clinton. There is more shit coming this is just the most recent blow.

[redqueen]

44. "There is more shit coming this is just the most recent blow."

I'm afraid I can't disagree.

[WilliamPitt]

40. "Hysterical"

1610s, from L. hystericus "of the womb," from Gk. hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hysterical

These shit attitudes are embedded in the very language.

Long road behind. Long road ahead.



You are not alone.

[redqueen]

46. Thanks Will

a long, long, long road indeed.

[BainsBane]

41. We've got a new one

Let's pretend that equality means a man should be able to have access to plan B pills to save himself money by averting a woman's pregnancy, by controlling her body!

[redqueen]

47. Yep I saw that.

Amazing, isn't it?

[BainsBane]

52. Nothing surprises me anymore

Rather it only confirms what I already suspected.

[m-lekktor]

43. I noticed!

sickening is all i can say without getting things hidden and time outed etc.

[redqueen]

53. A hide earned rebuking this shit is worth it IMO.

This is a litmus test IMO. Same as abortion.

[sadoldgirl]

45. Just tried to answer one of their OP,

but it was already hidden. I wonder how those "lovely" people will feel when the next axe comes down. The word "essentially" in the 5 old geezers decision about other possible cases does not get defined. So, yes, right now it will only hurt women, but later???
The only glimmer of hope I have is a possible motivation for more women to vote for Democrats. That does not mean that I have stopped fuming!!

[redqueen]

56. I hope millions and millions of women are motivated by this.

I hope the obnoxious, backwards, ignorant men in their lives are equally open about their lack of concern and that it motivates women to GOTV this fall

And hell, I hope they're also motivated to start raising a lot more hell about feminist issues in general, and to start putting up with WAY LESS shit.

[smirkymonkey]

103. This has gotten me fired up like nothing before.

I have ABSOLUTELY had it! We aren't backing down on this shit anymore.

[ancianita]

110. OH HELL YES. There are now five dangerous humans on that court. Women and the men who

support them know it.

[get the red out]

50. You've got that right

I'm so mad I've been back to pissing off Christians on FB again.

[redqueen]

57. LOL!

Sorry, I hope there isn't any lasting damage to valuable relationships... But you did make me laugh... thanks

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

55. Contraception is SEPARATE from women's health issues!

Because the girlies only use contraception for making sexy play time. They're slutty.

Do I win?

And just in case we're unclear...

[redqueen]

58. Oh Goddess please tell me that rw argument hasnt been posted here

because I will fucking blow a gasket

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

65. No, no...

You'd have to go Breitbart for that...

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

106. Actually, here's something close to it on rightwing radio...

During an appearance on Sirius XM’s The Wilkow Majority, host Andrew Wilkow argued that the real question in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores Inc., was about “whether or not a person who runs a business should be forced to provide something that is largely for recreational behavior, if it goes against their religious beliefs.”

His guest was Utah Senator Mike Lee, who basically agreed with Wilkow.

[etherealtruth]

61. Oh, it was yesterdays game and will be tomorrows game ....

I was particularly thrilled to read posts trivializing the courts decision and women's outrage.

[redqueen]

89. Yeah, the ones trivializing this issue are particularly abhorrent.

Then again I can't say I'm surprised by which DUers are engaging in such shit.

[etherealtruth]

92. Nor am I

Its very discouraging that kind of garbage gets a pass on a democratic/ progressive site

[TBF]

62. That's why they call them trolls -

and I am calling out every single one I see. I don't care how many posts they've racked up here.

[Maedhros]

78. I'm starting to think the persona management software has a way to spoof post count

and join date.

Some of the stuff coming out of people I've never seen before with 26K posts just doesn't fit.

[TBF]

93. Some of them do a lot of posting in small groups

like the gungeon (just an example) and then in general discussion you see the true colors.

[Maedhros]

95. Oh. The Gungeon.

I avoid that place like the plague. For good reason, it seems.

[hfojvt]

66. Is it a game?

Look, I care about certain issues where it seems that nobody else cares about them. Every person has issues that they care a lot about, issues that they care some about and issues that they don't care about.

So people who do not share the same passion might think people are over-reacting if they start spitting fire about some event.

Doubtless people do the same thing to me. I am still spitting nails about ATRA which was signed into law over a year and a half ago. Almost nobody else cares.

Aggravating when people don't share your concerns, but I don't see how it helps to try to drive them away.

[Squinch]

77. Perfect example of what the OP is talking about.

[bravenak]

105. Always bout you, innit it?nt

[hfojvt]

107. that's pretty funny

but no, it isn't.

[JTFrog]

116. Hard to see it any other way.

And no it's not pretty or funny.

[hfojvt]

121. it actually might be easy

I mentioned that I was upset about ATRA.

Is that because ATRA is "all about me".

Or is it about income inequality which presumably impacts ALL of society?

The funny part is that bravenak who cares about racial issues, because he is black.

I am not saying that is bad, but clearly on those issues he has a dog in the hunt - it IS about him, and about a group he belongs to.

Or this OP, where Redqueen, and many others, care so much about this Hobby Lobby case, because they are women. Again, they personally have a dog in the hunt.

But no, it is only hfojvt who only cares about himself. He's bad for not caring about issues that affect US.

Look at your icon PFLAG - a group about YOUR kids or YOUR friends. Apparently it is all about THEM.

People do obviously care more about issues that affect them, so pointing a finger at me, strikes me as pretty funny.

And yeah, I went to protest the invasion of Iraq because I didn't want people I don't even know getting blown up.

[JTFrog]

122. And by that logic it's all about the JETS.

WTF?

There are plenty of men here who care a lot about the Hobby Lobby case because they care about women. Believe it or not, you are very much in the minority here stating that you don't share women's concerns.

[hfojvt]

124. I am very much in the minority here in many ways

Seemingly I am one of the few who doesn't hate Christianity.

And I am missing your logic.

I am not a member of the Jets. Nor do I support the Jets or mean to by sporting this icon. It's only a metaphor. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/122

Perhaps you also mean PFLAG as a metaphor of some sort and don't actually support them.

My point was that PFLAG is also an organization that seems to be all about THEMselves. It is THEIR children and THEIR friends that they are concerned about.

Amazingly enough though, I don't make up my mind based on polling. I don't ask "what does everybody else think?" and finding a huge majority decide "well, I guess I will think that too."

One of the "great" things about being in the minority though, is that some people in the huge majority have no qualms about demonizing you.

[whatchamacallit]

68. A link might be useful

[bluesbassman]

71. Hyperbole aside, it's been disconcerting reading a lot of the responses.

While I believe the vast majority of DUers are appalled at this decision, that there are people here who see this as neither a short term slam against women, or in the long run a precedent setting erosion in the separation of church and state and the furtherance of corporate "personhood" is part of what's fueling the outrage.

And make no mistake, outrage IS the correct response to this outrageous decision. I stand with you in opposing this decision for it's immediate harm against women and it's long term potential to harm all of us.

[redqueen]

90. Thanks

It's very sad seeing it on DU.

[DonCoquixote]

120. or door number 3

"While I believe the vast majority of DUers are appalled at this decision, that there are people here who see this as neither a short term slam against women, or in the long run a precedent setting erosion in the separation of church and state and the furtherance of corporate "personhood" is part of what's fueling the outrage. "

Or, the fact is, there are people who insists they are "liberals", yet really have no problem with women becoming second class citizens, nor wth corporations and churches getting more power. There is the "i'm all right jack" crowd that misses the FDR benefits and Clinton era jobs, but sees no paradox in the fact that what progress we got was because EVERYBODY benefitted, and we tasled ourselves to improve EVERYONE'S lot, not just people that look like them.

[thucythucy]

81. K & R

[lunatica]

86. We women are just overreacting and need to be told to calm down

dontcha know? I'm so glad big brave men are around to calm my hysterical outbursts.

[redqueen]

91. Yeah, what shape would the world be in without those types? nt

[Rex]

87. I've actually seen someone defending the poor old SCOTUS on DU

bet you can guess who.

[redqueen]

94. Yeah, I'm sure it wouldn't be a shock. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

96. They are an old, tired crowd who are running out of excuses

They are transparent and they are outmatched.

[cwydro]

97. I've been gone from here for so long.

Not for any reason except family responsibilities.

But wow, it seems to have gotten even worse on this front. I sense the influx of either older bitter males, or younger clueless (wanna be macho) ones. Not sure which. Maybe both?

[smirkymonkey]

104. Thanks redqueen!

[Cha]

108. They're talkin' crazy talk, redqueen.. lots of nerve too.. spouting off about hair on fire from

their male pov. It's the Smug 5 who are ignorant ol men.. that should be a clue.



lol.. look at Scalia.. acting like he knows how to smile.

[Uncle Joe]

109. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, redqueen.

[JoeyT]

113. Today's game?

They've been playing that game so much for so long the crease on the board is broken and the paint is wearing off the pieces.

[Katashi_itto]

114. Friggin steps towards the "Handmaid's Tale"

and a Theocratic/Fascist state.

It's that simple.

[theHandpuppet]

115. Yeah, right

I think I hear a Pope Francis thread calling your name. Yours and number of others now expressing such outrage at the SC decisions of the last week.

[Katashi_itto]

117. Seriously what is your malfunction? I can't support when the Pope does something right in the

that screwed up institution that is the Vatican and not be for women's rights? Maybe you can overlook the fact the CC has over a billion followers but I can't.

Is that how black and white your world is?

Must be upsetting that I don't fit your world view.

[theHandpuppet]

118. Oh, I think you and I both know how deep your support is...

... for DUers who have criticized Francis for his positions on the rights of women and LGBTs. Well, some of us do have a few memory cells left.