Time to put Hobby Lobby Out of Business.

[riqster]

That is pretty much all we can do. They are demanding the right to discriminate against the American women who happen to work for them; to dictate the religion of all their employees; and to dump certain of their business expenses onto we the taxpayers.

For those readers who have not followed the case: before ObamaCare, it was easier to get insurance coverage for Viagra than for birth control. This was so obviously, stupidly unfair that the ACA said “stop that discriminatory s***”. So far, so Constitutional, you would say, and you would be right.

But the Fundagelical He-Man Woman-Haters club at Hobby Lobby got all hairy hosed off at having their “right” to f*** over the womenfolk amongst them taken away, so they claimed a ridiculous “Religious” case against the ACA and that “despicable Kenyan” Prexy who stole it from the Romneybots. That idiotic claim was decided in the idiots’ favor by the Supremes this week.

As expected, the Roberts court has ruled on the basis of partisanship as they are the Constitution. So this bit of illegal bulls*** has been made legal by those right-wing robed barbarians. Now that it has happened, we the people will have to render justice.

And we can do so without breaking a single law: we just stop shopping at Hobby Lobby or any other business they are involved in. Picket them. Boycott them. Sue them. Run them into the ground and on to bankruptcy.

Because if these misogynistic motherf***ers have no business, they’ll have no employees to discriminate against.

[louis-t]

1. Rude Pundit? Zat you?

They'll also have no employees. Period. Tough choice.

[yeoman6987]

4. You want to have 16,000 employees

Out of work who are paid starting double minimum wage? Yeah. Ok.

[avebury]

59. It is just was evil to allow Hobby Lobby to use their

employees as human shields to the repurcussions of their decision to deny women contraceptive health care (which they had by the way until Obamacare passed).

If you find a company morally repugnant then why should you conduct business with them? If people do not take a stand, corporations will continiue to get away with driving the masses back to the stone age.

[riqster]

68. Good points.

[riqster]

18. Their employees can work for their competitors.

The demand for the products will not disappear.

[dawg]

25. Hey, somebody else read the economics textbook too!

For the longest time, I thought it was just me.

[riqster]

26. Lots of years in business and IT consulting.

Wearying, soul-sucking, but educational.

[joeglow3]

116. Who will now be able to pay their employees less

That was in advanced economics...

[riqster]

117. Maybe. But keep in mind, other trends mititate towards higher wages.

This case does not exist in isolation. Rarely does any market condition do so.

[MattBaggins]

113. If they are truly filling a niche

then someone else will come along

[Lurks Often]

2. Yes! Let's make 20,000 employees who had nothing to do with this unemployed!

[Wait Wut]

5. Good point, but...

...we could encourage Michael's and other craft stores to move in.

I went to a HL once. It was disgusting. Nothing but cheap crap, horrible service, disorganized and a freakin' mess. Broken items left on shelves. I like Michael's. I haven't spent the time to look up their stance on this, though.

[Lurks Often]

23. I doubt there is enough of a market, but that might be a regional thing

[jeff47]

75. If there isn't enough of a market, Hobby Lobby would already be out of business.

There's a demand for craft supplies. Hobby Lobby currently serves that demand.

If Hobby Lobby goes out of business, the demand does not disappear. So a Hobby Lobby competitor can come in and serve that demand profitably.

[riqster]

94. Yep. Business 101.

[MADem]

133. Amazon ought to get really good at that market, and undercut them.

Just to fuck with 'em. It would serve them right.

[csziggy]

121. Michaels is a publicly traded company as of last week

On the down side their corporate headquarters are in Texas.

The Michaels Companies, Inc. Announces Pricing of Initial Public Offering

IRVING, Texas, June 26, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- The Michaels Companies, Inc. (the "Company&quot today announced the pricing of its initial public offering of 27,777,778 shares of its common stock at a price to the public of $17.00 per share. The shares will be listed on the NASDAQ Global Select Market and will trade under the ticker symbol "MIK" beginning on June 27, 2014. The Company is offering all 27,777,778 shares of common stock. In addition, certain selling shareholders have granted the underwriters a 30-day option to purchase up to an additional 4,166,667 shares of common stock.

J.P. Morgan and Goldman, Sachs & Co. are acting as joint book-running managers and as representatives of the underwriters in the offering. Barclays, Deutsche Bank Securities, BofA Merrill Lynch, Credit Suisse, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo Securities are also acting as joint book-running managers of the offering, and Guggenheim Securities, Macquarie Capital, Nomura, Piper Jaffray, Raymond James, Stephens Inc., SunTrust Robinson Humphrey, Ramirez & Co., Inc., Telsey Advisory Group and The Williams Capital Group, L.P. are acting as co-managers.
http://investors.michaels.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=856772

Stock holders would not look kindly on spending the kind of money for a Supreme Court challenge or be happy about the negative publicity that could result.

[riqster]

131. Closely held, eh?

[A HERETIC I AM]

138. Out of curiosity.....

what do you mean by that question?

[riqster]

139. The supremes ruled that "closely held" businesses could take the religious exemption.

Hobby Lobby, at the time of filing, fit that designation. But now it seems that at the time of the ruling, HL may well no longer meet the required criteria.

[A HERETIC I AM]

147. The post above that you responded to was announcing the IPO of Michaels, a competitor...

of Hobby Lobby and not at all related.

[riqster]

150. Derp. I'm an idiot. Thanks.

[A HERETIC I AM]

153. LOL....no worries

I have entire days of derp!

[Wait Wut]

168. Good news!

Thank you for the info. Okay, now we can encourage Michael's to buy out all HL property and move in.

[n2doc]

8. They can be hired by their competitors

What you are saying is that their employees are hostages. I guess in that case no boycott is ever justified.

[bluedigger]

16. Agreed.

Worst argument against boycotts ever. As long as there's demand for the products they sell, other businesses will see increased sales, and hire to satisfy demand. Net job loss = zero.

[YarnAddict]

126. I wonder if HL competitors

will pay $14/hr for full-time and $9.50/hr for part-time. Seems to me that putting HL out of business might not be such a good thing for their employees.

[goldent]

134. Yeah, I was surprised to see this

that Hobby Lobby sort of unilaterally raised the minimum wage for their workers. That and Sundays off makes it unusual for retail.

[YarnAddict]

135. I wonder if they did that

in anticipation of the bad PR that this case would generate. It's kind of like the "yes, but . . ." when you find out they are restricting insurance-covered options.

[riqster]

140. Possible. The timing is interesting.

[Lurks Often]

24. Boycott won't work on people who already stated they'd close every single one of their stores

[n2doc]

27. It does if they are forced to close

Then they have no influence on their employees anymore. And that is what they really want. I've never, repeat, never, seen a rightie talichristian who would forgo money for principle. They talk a big bunch of bull.

[Lurks Often]

30. Uh huh, only neither you or I risk losing our jobs

if Hobby Lobby does close some or all of their stores.

[nomorenomore08]

103. So just WTF are we supposed to do, then? Passively stand by and let them get away with this shit?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

145. You can go prop up Hobby Lobby with your own money if you'd like.

I'll be happy when their last store closes.

[Demsrule86]

154. Hobby Lobby did this

Too bad the employees have to suffer for their attempt to subvert democracy and impose theocracy but so it is...we must stop them cold.

[riqster]

161. Good point. Put the blame in the proper place.

[jeff47]

171. There's still demand for Hobby Lobby's products

The former Hobby Lobby employees would be able to find jobs at the competitors that come in to serve that demand.

[Lurks Often]

172. It's amazing how certain people of that

, even if it is true, what makes you think the competitors benefits and pay are going to be better?

[jeff47]

174. Why wouldn't it be true?

Retailers exist to serve demand. If there's unmet demand, someone will open a store to meet that demand. If Hobby Lobby goes away, someone will open a store to replace them.

what makes you think the competitors benefits and pay are going to be better?

Well, for starters they won't be forcing their religious beliefs on their employees....

[riqster]

29. Sure it will.

The parent company is as big a load of greedheads as you'd ever care to meet. They will regret the loss of filthy lucre.

[sendero]

54. Let's make their bluff..

.... come true.

[MADem]

130. Unless these guys want to fund a losing proposition, it will.

When there's no money coming in, people and organizations DO change their ways.

Hello, Rosa Parks?

[Demsrule86]

152. the boycott is to influence other companies that may care.

It will work. Driving them out of business will make other companies with similar views and plans to attack gay people or whoever...whatever their next attack may be to think ...is it worth going out of business?

[riqster]

12. By that reasoning, no boycott or action would ever be taken against any business.

[Lurks Often]

28. Well I am sure you won't mind explaining that to people

who lose their jobs over a boycott and can't pay their bills

[riqster]

31. See post 18.

[Lurks Often]

32. Nice of you to gamble with their futures like that

because there is no way to guarantee those employers will get hired by the comptitors or that that competitors will even have health benefits for the part employees

[riqster]

34. And doing nothing benefits society how, exactly?

[Lurks Often]

37. Like every other discussion board

people complain and rant and yell, but when it comes time to actually do something in the real world, most everyone disappears.

Go ahead and try a boycott, more then likely you'll just cause people on the other side of the issue to make an effort to shop at Hobby Lobby. They might even see an increase in their sales.

[riqster]

39. There are always reasons to do nothing.

Allowing miscreants carte blanche solves nothing.

[ReRe]

74. Their female employees who...

... can't walk out (due to the desperation of so few jobs in this God-forsaken country), will wonder what they were thinking when they end up with a house full of kids, barefoot and pregnant again.
Yeah, now there's a future for ya! Not!

[riqster]

84. So what would you do to rectify this injustice?

[ReRe]

165. Well...

... I'm all in for your boycott. Contrary to what someone is saying, boycotts DO work.

If I was young and worked for HL, I would have walked in yesterday morning and told the general manager to "Take this job and shove it!" Then I would have gone straight to my OB/GYN to talk about the new situation I found myself in, that I needed low-cost BC from now on and ask where I could get it.

[Lurks Often]

90. They do get contraceptive coverage

the ruling only covered 4 (IIRC) types that Hobby Lobby objected to.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/hobbylobby.asp

[riqster]

95. Wrong.

http://news.yahoo.com/justices-act-other-health-law-mandate-cases-133633160--politics.html;_ylt=A0LEV0_Jw7JTfGsAwEJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0aTRxYjk3BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQ2NF8x

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.

The justices did not comment in leaving in place lower court rulings in favor of businesses that object to covering all 20 methods of government-approved contraception.

[Lurks Often]

157. Your reading comprehension sucks

Unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.

We''ll see what the future holds

[riqster]

160. Might want to take off the blinders:

The Supremes made it possible for all of them to be taken away.

As a result of HL's suit.

[Lurks Often]

169. No blinders, just a dislike of people who

either can't be bothered to read what was actually said or too dishonest to acknowledge facts that they don't like

[riqster]

175. Blinders I said; blinders I meant.

HL covered BC for years, until the ACA mandate; after which time BC became anathema. The blinders keep that from your sight.

HL continues to fund some BC, which is rank hypocrisy. The blinders keep that hypocrisy from your sight.

The SC gave them the right to terminate all BC as a result of the HL case. Again, the blinders.

Blinders are used to keep herded beasts focused on their tasks, and to suppress thoughts of anything other than what is right in front of them.

[Demsrule86]

155. Wrong...

SCOTUS said the ruling covered all forms of birth control. Thus another company would ban all forms of birth control.

[Lurks Often]

158. Your reading comprehension sucks

Unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.

We''ll see what the future holds

[politicaljunkie41910]

20. You don't have to worry about the employees being thrown out of work.

There is too much evidence to the contrary that Hobby Lobby is a For Profit organization first and foremost. Despite what they claim, they are in it for the profits. Cut into their business profits and they will be offering birth control for their mamas tomorrow. Hobby Lobby was used by the rightwingers propoganda machine to bring a bogus lawsuit to try and destroy the ACA.

[Duval]

49. Hobby Lobby

was so used for this purpose! I heard Thom Hartmann talking about it today. I wish I had the transcript to post for you. The People should know this, and I'm hoping one of "our guys" on MSNBC will talk about it tonight. Thanks for mentioning this, politicaljunkie41910.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

65. Follow the money. Always. Especially where someone wears the cross or flag on their sleeve.

That is all.

[avebury]

57. So in other words, you want to let Hobby Lobby

get away with using their employees (the same ones that don't get contraceptive coverage) as shields to protect their sorry asses?

People have every right to decide which companies they want to do business with. If people choose to not shop at Hobby Lobby it is their right to make that choice. Actions have consequences.

[Lurks Often]

89. They do get contraceptive coverage

the ruling only covered 4 (IIRC) types that Hobby Lobby objected to.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/hobbylobby.asp

And yes people have every right to boycott a store, just remember that there are innocent people that have nothing to do with the decision that may pay the price.

[avebury]

91. You must have missed the clarification issued by the Supreme Court today.

The SC ruling actually covers ALL forms of birth control. Hobby Lobby is under no requirement what so ever to provide any birth control coverage should they choose to go that route.

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Tuesday confirmed that its decision a day earlier extending religious rights to closely held corporations applies broadly to the contraceptive coverage requirement in the new health care law, not just the handful of methods the justices considered in their ruling.
>
> snip
>
> The justices also ordered lower courts that ruled in favor of the Obama administration to reconsider those decisions in light of Monday's 5-4 decision.
>
>
> Hobby Lobby had provided their employees with birth control coverage up until Obamacare was passed. Now they don't have ot provide any coverage at all.

http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2014/07/hobby_lobby_supreme_court_ruli.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/01/1310918/-Supreme-Court-clarifies-Yes-Hobby-Lobby-is-about-all-slut-pills

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/07/01/3728386/justices-say-birth-control-ruling.html?sp=/99/101/235/

[Lurks Often]

93. I am aware of the clarification

however, unless if you have proof that Hobby Lobby has chosen to change their BC coverage, as of today their employees are still covered for most forms of BC.

We''ll see what the future holds

[nomorenomore08]

104. And the ones they don't cover just happen to be some of the most common and most effective... n/t

[we can do it]

96. This reason to do nothing gets tiresome.

[riqster]

108. A-men. When the hell did Team Apathy get a cheering section?

I mean, wow. Who knew that doing nothing was so motivational??

[MADem]

127. They can work for the competition. They'll be unemployed soon enough when

everyone stops shopping at their store. They'll get fired, each in turn, as business slides into the gutter and the profits dry up, the newest, the brownest, the ones without gonads...one by one, they'll all get picked off, chopped off, dumped, in order of "importance."

That'll only happen if people stop patronizing the discriminating basstids, though.

I can't believe anyone would make a "We don't want to anger the oppressor" argument in this day and age! What we want is for the oppressor to either get correct or get gone!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

136. I've wondered about this line of argument as well.

If someone were to say, "If an employee of HL doesn't like the ruling they can just go get a job somewhere else."

That generally brings a torrent of replies saying, "In this wretched economy they don't have choices."

Yet, here we are demanding that if those employees who presumably can't find another job should be put out of a job.

Meanwhile, those who are OK with the ruling (and I'll wager there are women amongst them) are to be punished for holding a contrary opinion in a presumably free society.

None of this will change anything because the case has been decided at the USSC. It is no longer a political issue to be swayed by popular sentiment. The dice were rolled and those in favor of the BC mandate lost. It will be decades, if not generations, before another such opportunity to roll the judicial dice is presented again.

The only people who won't suffer is the family that owns HL because they already made their pile of money. And they're really old. So they will die rich and secure in their victory.

[Demsrule86]

149. We have no choice

Hobby Lobby is attempting a coup of sorts...this will not end with birth control...too bad for the employees...Hobby Lobby may pay a dollar or two more but these are part time shitty jobs in general...I know people who work there and they hate Hobby Lobby. For the sake of our freedom...from religious tyranny...Hobby Lobby must go. People always say ...oh what about the employees? Well a more liberal frees society with higher pay and benefits ultimately benefits everyone.

[riqster]

162. Yep.

[spanone]

3. i blame the court. anyone can ask for any crazy thing. the court is supposed to disseminate between..

the crazy and sane. they sided with the crazy.

[abakan]

6. I'v been boycotting them for years...

I will gladly do so in the future. I think voting with your pocketbook, is all the power you need to make a difference.
Good post..Thanks

[Dawson Leery]

7. One opened in West Haven last year.

I will NEVER step into that store.

[politicaljunkie41910]

9. And remember as picketers you don't have to worry about 35 foot buffer zones either.

You can get right up to the doors and block the entrances and shout at the customers who have the audacity to patronize such a-holes.

[former9thward]

17. If your are refering to the SC decision that is not what they said.

In fact you are 100% wrong. But regardless of that if a Hobby Lobby store is in a strip mall of some sort then picketing has to take place on outside public sidewalks.

[riqster]

36. Quite correct. My spouse is planning a picket, and is researching just that question.

A new HL is "coming soon", and there are no public sidewalks there. So she is asking the authorities about permissible locations.

[former9thward]

38. If your wife is willing to be arrested on a petty misdameanor she may want to consider

civil disobedience. I am sick and tired of these 'free speech' zones authorities have set up. The other day I was soliciting signatures for a candidate outside the public library. I was outside the small free speech zone the library had set up. BTW the free speech zone was in the sun (105 degrees) and I was in a shaded area. A library employee came out and complained. I told her the zone was unconstitutional and I would continue doing what I was doing. I told her she was free to call the police but I would sue as a violation of the First Amendment. No police ever came. Either she did not call or the police did not respond.

[riqster]

45. Oh, she is willing to get busted, no question there.

And she has alt and mainstream media contacts in her mobile for if the cops do show up.

[KinMd]

86. Why a boycott is useless

..if you took a poll of the public as whole, not just voters, the majority wouldn't have a clue what this case was about, nor would they care. Most can't name one of their Senators or the Vice President

[former9thward]

87. There's that....

[riqster]

97. Boycotts are useful to help raise awareness. Activism 101.

[happyslug]

60. Just do the protest on Sunday, no one will object

Hobby Lobby is one of the few national stores that close on Sundays, thus they have no objection to a picket line on their own property on that day.

AS to the comments about their competitors, that their direct competitors are open on Sunday and Hobby Lobby is not, shows Hobby Lobby has a niche that its competitors are NOT even trying to fill. As long as that is the case, Hobby Lobby will survive and continue to do as it wants.

[riqster]

21. No, that is only for a few places the SC doesn't like.

[hayes]

125. Just exercise your own "religious beliefs"

So, Hobby Lobby has deep religious beliefs over contraceptives and therefore will not provide coverage to their female employees. It so happens that I have deeply held religious beliefs that prevent me from handling paper money or silver-colored coins (See: Judas). I and my friends, who hold the same religious beliefs, will be going to Hobby Lobby with a great big bag of pennies to buy some of thier cheap-a$$ sh.. er... merchandise. Of course we will count the pennies out verrrrry, verrrry slowly at the checkout so as not to make a mistake. If you hold these same deep religious beliefs, we encourage you and your friends to take a large bag of pennies to your closest Hobby Lobby store and make a purchase. Oh, and don't forget to get a 40% off coupon -- they are always available on the internets.

[riqster]

141. I like it.

[Rhiannon12866]

176. Haven't the poor workers already been punished enough?

This has no effect on the "deciders."

[former9thward]

10. Sue them for what?

This is a nation of 315 million people. Boycotts don't work. Don't want to shop there? Fine, don't. But there are millions which will take your place.

[WillowTree]

11. Yeah. 'Cause that's worked so well.......

.......with Walmart and Chic-fil-A so far. But go for it! I wish you good luck.

[riqster]

14. Granted. But we can't count on the courts or legislatures,

So we must aim at their pocketbooks.

[NM_Birder]

41. I think DU may overestimate the affect

of boycotting a business, that it's members don't do business with in the first place, has ....... on said business.

[WillowTree]

46. Still, I don't see how a boycott could hurt the cause.

And could possibly help to keep the issue in the public eye.

Or maybe not. I don't know. I just haven't seen many boycotts have much impact. In many cases, the ones boycotting are people who didn't shop at the offending stores in the first place.

[Ilsa]

66. Trying to remember... didn't chik fil a back down

on the anti-gay smack last year?

[riqster]

71. Kinda sorta.

[BrotherIvan]

105. It absolutely has

Chic-fulla-hate changed their policy and decided to STFU. Walmart profits are down. How is that not working?

[riqster]

109. Points.

[BrotherIvan]

110. Fairly surprised to read all the people decrying protest

Isn't that what Democrats do? I applaud your wife and wish her the best. Let us know how we can help (I don't think we have HL in my area). I want to read about their bankruptcy post haste as a warning to other companies they better not try this shit.

[riqster]

111. Yah hey, thanks. Lots of Dems seem to be into ennui.

...instead of activism.

[Zambero]

13. Demand for their products would be met by other retailers

If Hobby Lobby loses enough of it's customer base to go belly-up, it would be as a direct result of their own actions. It would also funnel more business to other retailers such as Michael's and JoAnn, who would have more capital to expand and create add'l jobs. A rather simplistic scenario, I realize, but this is how it generally works.

[riqster]

15. Just so.

[louis-t]

19. You know, if JoAnn's and Michaels were willing to take a risk...

and start plopping down stores near Hobby Lobby.....

[riqster]

22. They will be more likely to do so if HL's numbers take a hit.

[Raksha]

167. That was practically my first reaction to this horrendous SC decision.

I thought about how I'd love to see Hobby Lobby targeted by their competitors, either independent craft stores or another chain like Michael's or Joann's, opening new stores in the same shopping malls as existing Hobby Lobby stores. That would also make it very convenient for Hobby Lobby's laid-off or disgruntled employees to apply for another job.

[Niceguy1]

143. only if theor current capacity

Cant handle any spillover from hobby lobby. ....

[riqster]

151. I expect they have people looking into that now.

[get the red out]

33. I agree!

And anyone who shops at Hobby Lobby needs to be looked at as if they have human shit dripping off their nose because they are the enemy too.

Hobby Lobby must die as a company, it must be killed off by its ignorance so others can see that being misogynists isn't a winning business plan.

[riqster]

35. Bingo. Pocketbook injuries get their attention.

[NM_Birder]

40. Are you serious, or is this performance art ?

Do you really think that a group of people who don't shop at a store, will affect the company by not shopping there ?

love the imagery though, this is even better than the OP.

[BrotherIvan]

106. You do know that the majority of their customer base is women?

So yeah, if women decide to boycott them for this disgusting display, it will have an impact. It is entirely stupid from a business point of view.

[NM_Birder]

123. people who don't shop at a store,

calling for a boycott,..... to other people on line who also don't shop at the store,...by calling people who DO shop at the store "the enemy", and consider them to have "human shit dripping from their nose", is the winning strategy ?

no wonder boycotting took down other stupid businesses like wallmart and chik-fil-a, I just didn't understand the "impact".

like I said, full marks for the imagery, ....the intended message delivery ? total fail.

[DeSwiss]

42. ''That is pretty much all we can do.''

- I'm sure we can think of something.....

K&R

[blkmusclmachine]

43. The Hobby Lobby Burqa, so stylin'!

[riqster]

48. Indeed, your wardrobe can be born again!

[ktayloraz]

44. Oh Really?

And the 16,000+ people that work for Hobby Lobby, that had NOTHING to do with this case, you want to what? Throw them out on to the streets? Make it even more difficult for them to get the services they need? Take away their source of income because YOU don't agree with the Board of Directors/Owners?

Gee, what a kind, progressive, caring individual you are. Perhaps you could come up with a solution that would NOT increase the unemployment rolls in this country.

Or does your anger at a bunch of angry, ignorant men, make it impossible for you to see a better way?

[riqster]

47. I have replied to that point already on this thread.

So I will just ask: what "better way" would you suggest? I'm always open to new ideas.

[sendero]

55. This ridiculous "point"....

... has been answered multiple times on this thread. If you have nothing to contribute....

[riqster]

132. I notice that they did not offer an alternative.

Typical.

[ktayloraz]

164. Here are a couple, since you asked so nicely

1. Open a contraceptive exchange for employees of Hobby Lobby. They can get what they need, for free, from the exchange. The exchange would be stocked by donations from progressive groups, like the members of DU.

2. Since HHS can, and most likely will, alter the rules to make the decision a moot point, contacting the members of congress to push for a fast rule change is in everyone's best interest.

3. Lobby the insurance companies to go around Hobby Lobby, and offer the coverage through pooled premiums.

Now, ain't that better than putting people out of work?

[riqster]

166. Good ideas. Thanks for offering them.

[jeff47]

173. Wow....what clueless alternatives.

1. Open a contraceptive exchange for employees of Hobby Lobby. They can get what they need, for free, from the exchange. The exchange would be stocked by donations from progressive groups, like the members of DU.

Planned Parenthood already has to work very hard for funding. You are arguing for a mini-Planned Parenthood that only covers Hobby Lobby employees. Yeah, they're not going to have difficulty with funding.

2. Since HHS can, and most likely will, alter the rules to make the decision a moot point, contacting the members of congress to push for a fast rule change is in everyone's best interest.

So your next alternative is for Congress to pass a bill. Have you been in a coma the last 4 years?

Even better, you think the House will pass a bill to pay for "abortion".

This "solution" is utterly and completely delusional.

3. Lobby the insurance companies to go around Hobby Lobby, and offer the coverage through pooled premiums.

Not when Hobby Lobby forbids it. The insurance companies will happily take the much larger pile of money coming from Hobby Lobby.

In addition, this solution is demanding that Hobby Lobby's female employees buy special insurance. And that this will magically lower the cost of birth control when only the people wanting birth control sign up. In other words, you completely ignore the point of insurance.

[MattBaggins]

115. Build it and they will come.

[passiveporcupine]

50. this is a strike against women

Can you imagine if only women boycotted the store?

[Takket]

51. I'd love to put these dirtbags out of business... BUT...

Let's not forget that hobby Lobby may have asked for the ruling, but they are not the threat to women's health. the RULING is. We can drive Hobby Lobby into the ground, shut their doors and walk away with a smile on our faces... but the RULING will still exist, and all those "closely held" companies can go right on discriminating. so let's just remember that what happens to Hobby Lobby is going to have little effect on what is happening to women's rights other than being a symbolic blow for the "power of the people".

If we REALLY want women to be protected, we need to get the enablers out of Washington! hobby Lobby is NOTHING without the enablers to do their bidding.

[riqster]

52. The businesses and their enablers are a sort of malignant symbiosis.

Injuring any of the parties involved injures them all.

[drm604]

53. I wonder what it would take to unionize their employees?

Just a thought.

[riqster]

56. Since the Supremes also weakened unions yesterday, it might be harder to do.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/the-supreme-court-just-dealt-a-devastating-blow-to-public-unions-20140630

[drm604]

61. That ruling was about public sector unions.

And it may indeed be a problem for them. But I don't think it affects employees of private businesses.

[riqster]

63. In isolation, no. But considering the private-sector cases in the SC Pipeline, it is concerning.

[SheilaT]

58. I no longer shop at Hobby Lobby

and I haven't shopped at WalMart in a decade or more.

I'm just one person so I have no affect on either company's bottom line. But I really wish more people would refuse to shop at either of those two stores.

[riqster]

62. One person always helps. One vote, one penny, one act of principle counts.

Because without that one, there can never be many.

[underthematrix]

64. I don't shop at Hobby Lobby, Walmart, Home Depot

I try to avoid retail shopping except for food. I bank at a credit union and have NO credit card. My car is 20 years old and paid for. I pay cash for everything. I buy my food at WINCO and COSTCO and plan to grow my own veggies and fruits. I buy my clothes, furniture, appliances, and books at secondhand stores. I'm sick to death of corporations and their lobby to SEVERELY curtail out rights as much as possible.

[RebelOne]

80. I have never shopped at Hobby Lobby even though there is a store

about a mile from me. I usually go to Michael's. I only go to Walmart if there is an item that I cannot buy at a cheaper price at any other store. But I do shop at Home Depot, because many appliances there are cheaper then the Lowe's just across the street. My car is 15 years old and also paid for. Almost anything I buy is paid in cash. I do have one credit card that is used only for an emergency. I buy used appliances at Goodwill, which is almost around the corner. I haven't had to buy clothing since 2010 when I was laid off my job. I retired then, so didn't need clothing for work anymore.

[sinkingfeeling]

67. I have probably spent over $25,000 at Hobby Lobby in the years

since I moved to Arkansas. I wrote a letter to their headquarters telling them that I will never buy another item from them. I will make the hour drive to their competitors, Michael's, to buy my art and craft supplies.

Will this put them out of business? Don't know. Don't care. I've boycotted Exxon for decades as well as never shopping at Walmart. It's not put them out of business, but I feel better knowing that my money doesn't go to them.

[riqster]

69. Good on you.

[City Lights]

70. I have never set foot in a Hobby Lobby,

and don't intend to start shopping there now.

[riqster]

72. Nor I. The key is to get current HL shoppers on board.

[kardonb]

73. robed barbarians

I despise these ignorant , hateful old white " religious " fools of Scotussi . Where is the separation of church and state guaranteed in our constitution , I would like to know . If they are so religious , as they claim , I have news for them : God is all for love and compassion , caring and helping other human beings , even if they don't always share our own beliefs .

If they don't want to contribute to other people's well being and decisions , well , I don't like wars , but I still have to contribute , in the form of taxes , to them . These holier than thou intolerants should complain about THAT , not about decisions women make in regards to their own bodies !

[muntrv]

77. My hometown doesn't have a Hobby Lobby, so boycotting is easy.

[Freddie]

81. Me too

No Hobby Lobby stores anywhere near here so I'll boycott in absentia.
I like Joann's for that kind of stuff, was a frequent customer preparing for daughter's wedding.

[southerncrone]

78. I'm doing my part. Never will buy from them & encourage others to shun them.

[Ilsa]

79. I'll never there again.

Adding them to WalMart and Exxon and BP.

[Shrike47]

82. How about we urge the Open Carry crowd to frequent and protect Hobby Lobby.

Surely nobody will mind and everybody will be safer. Kinda group the nut bags together.

[Generic Other]

83. I say we "condom" the place

"Condom" Hobby Lobby.

[riqster]

98. Here's another thought: a use for all the yarn people bought at Hobby Lobby:

[azmom]

163. LOL

This seems like a money making idea for my college age daughter. She did not get the internship she wanted and is now looking for something to do for a couple of months. (Maybe with a tag that states. Yarn not purchased from Hobby Lobby)

[indepat]

85. Can't one just feel the love of Jesus oozing from the pores of the Hobby-Lobbyites?

[maced666]

88. The masses don't see the injustice from our same viewfinder.

We see - denial of women's health care rights.
They see no one prevented from buying whatever birth control they want when they want.

Both are correct.

Really REALLY angry?
Swell.
Make sure to vote and take someone with you in November. Because Hobby lobby, much like Chik fil a, is probably going to be just fine, with or without you.
VOTE

[Cha]

92. Thanks for highlighting that about Obamacare, riqster!

"This was so obviously, stupidly unfair that the ACA said “stop that discriminatory s***”."

[riqster]

99. Oh, I know, he's such a third-way corporate whore....

[Cha]

100. "3rd way 3rd way 3rd way 3rd way..

3rd way "

no need for your sarcasm thingy. rofl

[RKP5637]

101. I've wondered who shops there. I've been in a couple and they were empty. The store was huge, maybe

other parts of the country have more customers. Whatever, we will never step foot in HL again. It's a really creepy place.

[riqster]

102. Never been in one.

Sounds like a good thing.

[nomorenomore08]

107. Never shopped at Hobby Lobby and I never will. Same goes for Wal-Mart. n/t

[Jamaal510]

112. Hold on...there were actually Romneybots?!

"...they claimed a ridiculous “Religious” case against the ACA and that “despicable Kenyan” Prexy who stole it from the Romneybots"

Who on Earth could be passionate about a stiff like him for President? I understand hating Obama, but what exactly does Romney bring to the table besides basically being a (richer) clone of the Bushes policy-wise? Even Ron Paul had his reasons for firing people up, as loony as his agenda is.

[riqster]

118. Actually, the people supporting Mittens seemed robotic to me.

Devoid of humanity. He and his have always seemed that way to me.

[TBF]

114. Oh I think there is A LOT women can do if they

put their minds to it. Hobby Lobby is just one gnat to swat. That court decision did not just apply to them.

It is those justices that need to go down - all 5 of them need to be impeached.

[riqster]

119. Indeed. Any man can find himself in the same position.

Anybody can now lose coverage due to some specious faux-religious "belief" on the part of their employer.

Anybody. Male or female. We are all less free and less secure than we were on Sunday.

[TBF]

122. Exactly. nt

[3catwoman3]

120. According to Wikipedia...

...Bain Capital is one of the owners of Michaels, so that might not be a great alternative.

[Enthusiast]

124. Kicked and recommended!

[riqster]

128. Thanks.

[JustAnotherGen]

129. Why not?

Their win could put many pharmaceutical and medical device folks out of work.

[B Calm]

137. I recently went to Hobby Lobby in Lafayette, Indiana with my wife. I was aghast at the high

prices on their Chinese crap!

[Hepburn]

142. This is being shipped to me today:

[PADemD]

144. Link?

So I can buy one, too.

[riqster]

148. What you said. nt

[B Calm]

156. http://www.makestickers.com/

http://www.makestickers.com/

[PADemD]

170. Thanks!

[Demsrule86]

146. Time to bury Hobby Lobbby

Time to bury Hobby Lobby so that no company who wants to remain in business will dare to follow their example. It is all we can do for...now in 14 vote vote and vote we must save the Senate and getting the house would be sweet...I doubt the gerrymander considers woman voters...and in 16 I will vote for any Democratic candidate for the sake of the SCOTUS and the lower court too...because SCOTUS has shown clearly they are political hacks...if they get a another conservative justice or two...it really won't matter who wins the presidency or Congress for decades. The GOP knows they are on the their way out as a party...they will try to use the courts to push their woman hating, gay hating working people hating policies, but we will stop them. We have to for the sake of our kids...I know, I know a cliché but I refuse to leave my three beautiful daughters at their mercy.

[riqster]

159. ^^^THIS^^^