Here's that Hobby Lobby slippery slope in action

[sheshe2]

Who could have predicted that the U.S. Supreme Court was going to empower religious organizations to start screaming for federal exemptions to everything they find icky? Pretty much everyone, actually, saw that coming and here's the first of it. A group of faith leaders, including an Obama supporter, has asked the administration to allow them to continue to discriminate against the gays in their hiring practices.

Their call, in a letter sent to the White House Tuesday, attempts to capitalize on the Supreme Court case by arguing that it shows the administration must show more deference to the prerogatives of religion.

"We are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need," the letter states. […]

It comes from as group of faith leaders who are generally friendly to the administration, many of whom have closely advised the White House on issues like immigration reform. The letter was organized by Michael Wear, who worked in the Obama White House and directed faith outreach for the president's 2012 campaign. Signers include two members of Catholics for Obama and three former members of the President’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

Read More:http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/02/1311250/-Here-s-that-Hobby-Lobby-slippery-slope-in-nbsp-action#

[Uncle Joe]

1. All the SCROTUS did was open up a Pandora's Box.

Thanks for the thread, sheshe.

[sheshe2]

2. I know Uncle Joe and that's frightening. eom

[Uncle Joe]

4. They basically decided that a corporation's (four or fewer owners) "religious rights" trump those

of hundreds if not thousands of workers, this is in direct violation of the First Amendment.

The United States government is to pass no law giving respect to religion.

Businesses aren't churches, temples or synagogues, but this ruling puts them in that category, this decision can only bring about division and disaster as it undermines the Constitution.

One would think after all the demonization of other theocracies (rightfully so) around the world, the last thing the United States would want is to join their ranks.

If Supreme Court Justices can be impeached, I'm all for it, no doubt the Democrats will need to take firm control of the Congress first, that's just another reason why this fall's elections are so critical.

http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryc/g/closelyheldcorp.htm

Definition:

A closely held corporation is a corporation in which more than half of the shares are held by fewer than 5 individuals. Closely held corporations are private companies, and are not publicly held. In a closely held corporation, if one of the shareholders wants to sell some or all of his/her shares, the sale must take place with one of the other existing shareholders, since no sale of shares can take place.

[sheshe2]

6. Do you have any idea if the decision can be overturned?

There must be some legal recourse.

[Uncle Joe]

7. A future Supreme Court dominated by Justices that believe in their oath to uphold and defend

the Constitution of the United States could overturn this atrocity of a decision.

[randys1]

28. This and so many more, what is funny about Hobby Lobby is the 3 Women

who chose not to destroy Women, all 3 are VASTLY superior legal minds than those 5 FUCKS who decided the other way

yet they lost

Thom Hartmann says revolution within 2 yrs, I agree...he says political only i.e. voting, etc, I think there will be some pain along with it

[JDPriestly]

11. The constitutional amendment that says corporations are not people and do not have

constitutional rights.

Public Citizen has an excellent suggestion for the text for a workable amendment.

You can't just clarify the limits on the rights of corporations because the conservatives will just create some alternative business form and then claim that it, inanimate and inhuman as it is, has equal rights.

We need to amend the Constitution to clarify just who is a person for purposes of the Constitution.

[sheshe2]

13. Thanks for you input JD.

[Geoff R. Casavant]

15. Amending the relevant statute would work.

The Court did not decide these cases on Constitutional or First Amendment grounds, but on the language of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which apparently provides more broad guarantees than the First Amendment. Congress in theory can amend the RFRA to say corporations do not have these types of religious freedoms. It all depends on getting Congress to do so.

In other words, GOTV.

[sheshe2]

17. Thank you Geoff for your input.

We damn well do have to GOTV and we have to do it in huge numbers.

[BootinUp]

16. religious rights or theocratic rights?

[MohRokTah]

22. Alito even gave a virtual smirk in his decision and contemplated how a publicly traded corp could...

determine its religion using state laws.

[calimary]

3. And there are human opportunistic infections all around, who've been counting the minutes until

this worked out for them. You just watch. LGBT brothers and sisters - be ready for it. They're gonna use this to come for YOU, too. Learn from what's happened to us women and our right to choose - which is now on the ropes. Drop your guard for a single nanosecond and THIS is what happens. THIS is what WILL happen. Do not assume for an instant - that the right to marry whoever you love and with whom want to build a life and a family - that right you've fought for and struggled for and worked your asses off for - do NOT assume it's safe, even though the tide "seems" to have been turning in your favor at the moment.

There still exist LEGIONS of people who don't think you deserve such a right, or such protections. Not only that, but some of 'em think YOU are a sin. Your very selves. All things bad and sinful - godforsaken and worthy of being changed or fought or isolated or shunned or done away with altogether. Think I'm exaggerating? Think my hair's on fire while I write this? Think I'm just getting hysterical or something? Look at what's happened to Roe v Wade. Feels like pre-Nazi Germany around here sometimes, doesn't it.

[Uncle Joe]

5. Precisely, calimary they will use this for everything under the sun. n/t

[sheshe2]

14. I know calimary.

I am right there with you in outrage and to all those yesterday that told us not to worry our pretty little heads. I am worried and I am outraged.

[musette_sf]

35. The nasty talkers on Catholic radio

were discussing EXACTLY this thing yesterday. This vermin now thinks they are empowered to go after marriage equality.

[JDPriestly]

9. Justice Ginsburg warned the idiots.

[Uncle Joe]

12. I don't believe they needed warning. They knew/know, they just don't care because

corporate supremacy over the state and in turn over the people is their ideology.

[sheshe2]

20. You are right, they damn well knew what they were doing.

This might interest you, Uncle Joe.

"The Most Partisan Supreme Court Justice Of All"

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/02/3455366/the-most-partisan-justice/

I was going to post it but thought many would not bother to read. It's a great take on Alito.

[etherealtruth]

21. Ginsburg warned US

The psycho 5 knew exactly what they were doing ... planning the effects of their decision decades into the future

[littlemissmartypants]

8. Kicking. Thank you. nt

[blkmusclmachine]

10. We're on the road to "Biblical law" being imposed as the rule of the Nation. Makes you wonder how

many Judges and politicians in powerful positions in this Country are in cahoots with the extreme far right Cult of Christian Dominionism (New Apostolic Reformation theology movement)??? I know they operate the Presidents Prayer Breakfast every year in Washington DC, and strong rumor has it that they helped author Uganda's notorious genocide bill called KILL THE GAYS in 2009.

[Iliyah]

18. For religious reasons they feel that their GAWD trumps the USA Constitution

and it will be ok to murder any one who opposes them. Those five jackass justices did will haunt the United States of America for some time or until sane people can replace these closed minded ideologist.

Vote Vote Vote Vote the GOPers out!

[bl968]

19. A totally different beast here...

No one is forcing these groups to accept government money, if they choose to do they agree to any reasonable requirements and restrictions that go along with it.

[Skidmore]

23. This is how a theocratic cabal grabs power.

You can feel the door slamming shut. Thanks, sheshe2, for the article.

[TexinD]

24. What about those whose religion is to burn Christians?

In the good old days.. okay, a few thousand years ago... burning of Christians for sport was okay.

Can we discriminate against them? Protest outside their doors with bullhorns, calling them murders and terrorists?

How many churches get burned down or bombed vs. others?

The Supreme court (bad side) has royally fucked America. About the ONLY countries that don't have Separation of Church and State are the Islamic ones.

How long before women lose the right to vote and we can stone them because they dishonored someone?!

If Christians *DID* follow the bible to the letter, they would be killing women just like the Muslims in Pakistan.

[treestar]

25. Next it will be hiring women of childbearing age

They don't believe they should be working. Married ones, at least. I'm sure that's a lot of them's religious belief.

[sheshe2]

27. Yes they so love the fetus.

They are such hypocrites, and pro-life my ass! They don't give a damn about mother or child!

Kinda makes you want to puke, doesn't it treestar.

[TexinD]

29. True

Actually, that is TRUE.

Think of how many JOBS would be available if all those nasty evil women were terminated, other than a few lady-jobs (grooming, answering the phone - wait, those jobs are now Chinese and computer) - Women must be barefoot and pregnant!

Single mothers = too bad! You're a whore, no matter the circumstances.

Its plain to see this sick war on our sisters, our mothers, our daughters. They have ALREADY lost rights to their bodies. They are losing rights to their health. They are struggling with rights in the workforce and how long before they lose the right to vote?!

Abuse of women is worse in countries with less equal rights.

Judge Scalia has been vocal that WOMEN do not belong in the court room (must be awkward sitting next to that slimy turd).

I have run into a few college women who are republican, and yeah... they don't see it.

[Adrahil]

33. Thanks a lot!!!!

You made my blood pressure spike!

[musette_sf]

36. This has been their plan all along!

Women that can't control their own destinies can't compete in the workplace. They want women OUT of the workplace and OUT of academia.

[quakerboy]

30. Now now, your getting way ahead of the plan

Next comes the gays. Time enough to destroy each groups access to their rights one at a time, one has to have priorities.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

26. Maybe the ACLU

should sue to overturn this thing. Seriously, I can't see it standing, it's a weasel way to avoid the intent of the law which is to provide healthcare at a reasonable cost.

[William769]

31. This is one hell of a mess S.C.O.T.U.S. made.

All we can do is fight back! I may be Gay, but I am also a practicing Christian and in my faith this would never had happened. I don't know what God they worship, but It's not the God I worship. My God is all knowing & all loving. He preaches I don't care who you love just as long as you love.

[sheshe2]

32. Hey you...

I may no longer be practicing, however I like what your God has to say. That is what he teaches.

Take care of yourself William.

We will indeed fight and will damn well do it together.

[rhett o rick]

34. Single Payer Health Insurance would fix this, IMO. But in the meantime, we need to

organize a boycott of Holly Lobby and other corporations that follow suit.

[Cha]

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This can't be said enough.. The Brilliance of George Takei..



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Can't wait for a statement from the President on this whining..

[sheshe2]

38. Thanks Cha!

I love George Takei. He is a great man.

[Cha]

39. So smart!