If DU doesn't believe in our justice system

[Harmony Blue]

then our party is in trouble moving forward.

[Gravitycollapse]

1. "War is a racket" - Deeply fucking ironic.

[Harmony Blue]

2. I don't see the irony

I don't believe the Supreme Court is corrupt or a racket.

Our justice system isn't perfect but it is a cornerstone of our democracy.

[Gravitycollapse]

6. If you're a straight, white, upwardly mobile male, I'm sure our justice system looks wonderful.

If you're anyone else, especially if you are a racial, ethnic or religious minority or if you are poor or female or gay or bi or trans (and so on and so forth), the "justice" system is quite possibly the most inappropriately named institution in history.

Why are your words ironic? Because you on some fundamental level recognize the systemic corruption associated with our military industrial complex yet are apparently totally blind to systemized prejudice and outright violence inherent in our justice system.

I would laugh at your words if they weren't so goddamn terrifying.

[Harmony Blue]

25. If you don't believe in any branches of the government

then how do you propose you change the system if you don't believe in it in the first place?

[Gravitycollapse]

29. What does it mean to you to "not believe in" a government institution?

This discussion cannot continue until we qualify such terminology.

[Liberalynn]

75. The OP is accusing the wrong party of being anti federal government.

It's the Pukes who want to re-fight the civil war. They want to dismantle the federal government piece by piece. The only thing they want the federal government to do is run the military. Look those same justices admitted the Affordable Care Act was Constitutional and the law of the land. Now suddenly a "protected religious class," (ie fundamentalist Christians) is allowed to pick and choose what US laws they will follow and which they won't?

That is hardly supportive of any version of Federalism that I've ever heard of.

In addition as Supreme Court justices they are sworn to uphold the constitution, a document which is pretty clear about establishing a government endorsed religiously favored class. Unless they are going to allow Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Wiccans, Buddhists to opt out of participating in laws based on their religious beliefs, then this is exactly what this decision does.

If the justices who voted in favor of Hobby Lobby of ignoring the law, can't fulfill their oath and their duty to put their personal religious beliefs on the back burner and put the Constitution first, then perhaps they should resign or be impeached, either works for this federalist.

[MNBrewer]

136. If you "believe in" the branches of government, why would you even TRY to change anything?

[YoungDemCA]

143. +1

[valerief]

58. Have you heard of Citizens United? Bush v. Gore?

[BainsBane]

3. Bush v. Gore?

Citizens United? Did you agree with those? Or is it only the decisions denying equal rights to women that you feel compelled to champion?

Trayvon Martin? Geronimo Pratt? The Memphis three? The list goes on.

[cyberswede]

10. I think we all know what this OP is about.

[BainsBane]

21. Indeed

It's a continuation of his last one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025177737

And who could forget this gem? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511

[theHandpuppet]

40. That explains a lot

Somehow I missed that first one. The second one I'm still trying to forget.

[Cha]

83. OMGS.. another one questioning "anger" at the HobLob decision.. unreal. #Scalia Law Trending..

Joy Reid ✔ @JoyAnnReid
Follow
#ScaliaLaw trending big-time right now.
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This can't be said enough.. The Brilliance of George Takei..



TOD

I don't know if I would have Hidden it though.. it was a dumb question but it was being answered with intelligence.

Mahalo BB

[BootinUp]

84. Ugh.

[Number23]

111. Some of the damn responses to the second thread were worse than the damn OP

And that is TRULY saying something given the quality of that thread.

[theHandpuppet]

12. +1000

There wouldn't be enough room on all of DU for the complete list.

[Harmony Blue]

26. Disagreement is one thing

but outright disgust with our justice system is counterproductive for the long haul IMO.

[BainsBane]

56. What is counter productive

Is coming on a Democrat Discussion board and seeking to justify a decision that undermines civil rights for women. People are complaining about a decision, a decision you think is no problem. What you consider no problem is offensive to anyone who gives a damn about civil rights. We are progressives who believe in equal rights for all, not male supremacy, and not discrimination against women.

That you again seek to justify a decision by he most reactionary court in US history should surprise no one, but it is nonetheless revolting. You have now twice created OPs that are insulting to every woman on this site as well as many men who do not consider women's rights incidental. This OP a continuation of yesterday's. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025177737 Before you set out to justify a mass murderer, now it's depriving women of equal protection under the law. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511

You fool no one. Most of us have known this for a long time, but you have made the mistake of continuing to show yourself when people are actually paying attention.

[randome]

123. OJ Simpson? It isn't a fair system but sometimes it's unfair in more than one direction.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]

[Tetris_Iguana]

4. I believe in our justice system

I believe that it is corrupt as all heck just like the other branches.

Better than many countries, worse than others, but overall somewhat adequate.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. We are all in deep trouble moving forward....

[bluesbassman]

11. Yeah, and the last one left gets stuck with the check.

[donco]

7. It would

be unlikely that DU, as a whole, would agree that UP is the opposite of DOWN lately.

[Marrah_G]

8. wtf?

[cyberswede]

9. With the RWers on the SCOTUS we have now, a lot more than our party is in trouble going forward.

The corporate influence is a lot bigger problem than DUers being upset by a wrongheaded ruling.

[LeftyMom]

13. Is this the same justice system that you think is just waiting to screw over men?

But all the sudden a decision goes against the rights of women and you're a great believer in American justice?

[bullwinkle428]

32. BOOM goes the dynamite!!

[theHandpuppet]

42. Damn you're good

[Marrah_G]

67. ~snort~

[Jamastiene]

117. I can't top this.

Perfect reply! and yes,

[myrna minx]

119. .

[theHandpuppet]

132. Hey myrna minx...

Just wanted to say I love your sig line. It's so true.

[myrna minx]

137. Hiya, Handpuppet!

Voltaire is a favorite. Good to see you.

[JTFrog]

122. A-fucking-men.

The bullshit has been exposed big time.

[bravenak]

14. Oh, please!

Remember the time you felt sorry for the Isla Vista shooter and his white male pain? That's a rhetorical question.

[Harmony Blue]

19. Actually I was trying to seek understanding why such a deranged invididual did what he did

But since we are on a minor tangent: Morgan Freeman is a hero to me because he understands the big picture. While Tupac was brilliant with music his criminal past (sexually abusing a woman) is not a man to be celebrated or to hold in high regard IMO.

[bravenak]

28. Nice tangent!

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I have one.

Thomas Jefferson held humans in bondage even using one to serve his sexual needs and creating children with a woman he held power of life and death over. He even held children as slaves in bondage for a time.

I think Tupac owned up to his faults and served his time in prison for his crime or rape , while Thomas Jefferson gets a free pass and is called a founding father. I find it shameful that we spit on Tupacs grave for his crime, while sanctifying the lecherous slave owner and placing him on a pedestal. He and his group of founders were supporters of the Native American genocide and the Violent human trafficking trade and we call what they did good and expect black children to respect these dirty old rapists since those who they oppressed and abused looked like them. Black and brown.

I love tangental threads sometimes.

[Jamastiene]

118. Thank you.

I love your posts. They always cut through the BS and tell the truth of how things really are.

[bravenak]

130. Thanks.

This guy likes the attention.
We give it to him every time, and every time i do it feel like an asshole for playing his game.

Always bringing up Tupac. I posted one video from him,and one from 2chainz, and you'd think i nominated them for president. Old money dudes get all types of pedestals to stand on,no matter what crimes of great magnitude they commit, no jail time, we make them leaders.praise their names. Young black men can do their time, try to rehabilitate in the system set up fir them to fail, and we shit on them.

[cali]

145. bullshit. You started off with a declaration that it was an outgrowth of "male suffering"

[sheshe2]

23. Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.

Yikes bravenak...move over on that couch. I'm joining you.

[bravenak]

33. This is a crazy day!

I bet this goes on for a while. He does this on purpose and we fall for it all the time.

[sheshe2]

44. I saw that the last one got a hide. eom

[cyberswede]

49. Which is no doubt the reason for this one.

We should all go do something productive rather than feeding this particular tr...person.

[sheshe2]

59. True dat....cyberswede

However this kinda comic relief.

[BainsBane]

110. He needs be called on it

He gets away with a lot because jurors fall for the veneer of civility, only dismissing the rights of over half the population is not civil, any more that trying to rationalize the MRA ramblings of a homicidal psycho-killer in California is.

[bravenak]

66. Good. I fell for it before and got pissed off.nt

[sheshe2]

70. I have been pissed off all evening, bravenak.

Figured I use this for some down time. Cause gotta say the "topic" of the OP is pretty

[bravenak]

72. He a self rec artist.

I am surprised he is still here. I tried to get a post hidden by jury that he wrote once. Didn't work. I'll never try again. He obviously know more about black people than black people and the jury agreed. Love du juries sometimes. I will save that post forever.

I rewrote chapter one, i should send it to you.

[sheshe2]

74. Please do.

I'm on vacation and could use some excellent reading material!

[bravenak]

76. I should post it here and derail his thread.

But i won't since i hate everything i write.

[sheshe2]

80. I'll read it tomorrow, bravenak.

Thanks for sending it to me. Can't wait.

And no don't waste it here. Stop hating what you write, it's very good.....I'll PM you tomorrow after I read it.

[bravenak]

81. All right!

See ya around tomorrow!

[Squinch]

37. I am pretty sure he took a wrong turn on the road to "our party."

Cause your party and mine are over here on the left.

[sheshe2]

39. Thanks Squinch,

I was frightened there for a moment.

[FSogol]

15. The difference:

On DU, liberals and progressives are unhappy with the USSC decision and are discussing legal methods for changing it. These legal methods are all part of our legal/justice system and are described in the Constitution and our laws.

Compare that with puke, repubs, tea-idiots and their ilk, that promote 2nd amendment remedies, lynchings, using Federal property without paying the fees, and removing rights from people they don't like.

If you agree and support the 2nd group and their methods, you really made a wrong turn somewhere.

[DrDan]

125. hmmmm - not sure I fully agree with this . . . there were some VERY

harsh suggestions here for GZ during that trial . . .

we are certainly not totally innocent

[FSogol]

127. You mistake letting off steam as action. n/t

[DrDan]

131. more than letting off steam - more like lynch-mob mentality comments

some were quite disturbing

obviously had absolutely no confidence in our system of justice and preferred justice-by-mob

[Squinch]

141. Did any lynch mob actually go after Zimmerman? No. See the difference?

[DrDan]

144. "mentality" - see the difference

[Squinch]

146. "mentality" / "actions" - see the difference?

[DrDan]

147. I sure do . . . and that is exactly why I used the word "mentality"

you are the one who introduced the "action" of "going after" Zimmerman, not me . . . remember?

[Squinch]

148. Now you aren't even making any sense. Have a nice day.

[DrDan]

151. really . . . go back and look at your posts and see what sense they make

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Your attempt at being cute fell quite short.

And some nonsensical post about "going after Zimmerman"??? What was that all about - I mentioned a lynch-mob "mentality", that was all.

yes - that mentality existed imo . . .

I think I hit a sensitive nerve . . .

[sheshe2]

16. Here I thought I logged on to Democratic Underground.

I took a right turn.

Are you fricking serious? SCOTUS is the most partisan group of hacks that are owned lock stock and yes barrel by their corporate sponsors.

[hrmjustin]

17. What in the hell does this mean?

[Squinch]

30. Ahhh! Hrmjustin! I didn't read through the thread before I posted, and

I posted almost exactly the same thing!

Seriously, this nonsense is nauseating, and it seems to be washing over DU in waves.

[hrmjustin]

35. Seems like that we are being told to get over the supreme court decision.

Sickening crap and it has no place here.

[sheshe2]

41. I agree justin.

[hrmjustin]

48. And only he recced his thread.

[sheshe2]

55. Now why am I not surprised.

[hrmjustin]

57. It makes it all the more sadder.

[Squinch]

43. Well, cause, you know, it's just not that big a deal. And we are just hysterical hair on fire types

who ought to be walking around without our shirts on ha ha ha.

Honestly, I don't know who moved the rock so they could crawl out from under it, but I wish they would put it back.

[hrmjustin]

45. Notice his rec is lonely. really sad.

[Squinch]

53. As bravenak pointed out, though, he does this kind of thing often. Nonsense with no other

purpose than to incite. I think it is quite intentional and very, ahem, professionally done.

[hrmjustin]

54. Indeed.

[Bobbie Jo]

60. Looks like amateur hour to me

But I agree with the intentional part.

[Squinch]

63. Maybe I should have

said "profitable."

[Bobbie Jo]

71. Careful with those "quotes."

You can't just fling them around like that.

[Squinch]

124. Yeah. But it seems like some among us can fling around right wing talking points. Go figure.

[Bobbie Jo]

138. True that.

Thing is, they're not fooling anyone, anymore.

[ZombieHorde]

104. I have the same interpratation,

but one person's interpretation is not often another person's actual motivation. I think we see assumed motivation in the Religion group fairly often.

[Jamastiene]

121. Imagine if he'd posted that after the the USSCOTUS decision that installed Bush

as pResident. It would not have been tolerated then, but now? Pro extreme MRA juries can be found on DU and it truly makes DU suck.

[BainsBane]

62. It's a continuation of this from yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025177737

It's a weak way of saying you shouldn't complain about something as trivial of undermining women's rights under the law.

And who could forget this gem? http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024995511

[Squinch]

65. Yes. He wrote those just before he harassed a bunch of

billy goats trying to cross a bridge.

[joshcryer]

79. +1

The only thing I can think of, if that's their angle, is really fucked up.

[reddread]

18. believing in fairy tales is fine until you hit the voting booth

thats trouble.

[Harmony Blue]

22. The voting booth is important

though but it isn't a guarantee of anything. Elections indeed do have consequences however and why the Democratic party should not become apathetic or disillusioned with all the branches of our government.

[reddread]

36. outrage is not apathy

apathy is believing things are good enough.
the voting booth means as little as a corrupt system of justice will allow.
so then, back to my previous post...

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. should liberals have respected the dred scott ruling too?

all activists selectively believe in the justice system

[Harmony Blue]

31. We are human so this is understandable

as we put our trust in the justice system to address injustice. It isn't perfect but you can't throw all of it out the window because of some rulings you don't agree with.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

77. no, but you can change things to fight a ruling.

this ruling is absurd and certainly every female justice thought so too

[hatrack]

100. Plessy v. Ferguson, Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific, Kelo v. New London, Citizens United

Bush v. Gore . . . So many wondrous examples of wise, thoughtful and well-founded Supreme Court decisions.

[BootinUp]

108. Uhhh, lets see...I respect how wrong shit can go when shitheads

are in positions of power.

[Squinch]

27. Exactly what the hell is this supposed to mean?

[LeftyMom]

34. Your one sad self-rec on your painfully stupid threads always makes me laugh.

[FSogol]

38. +1 well said.

[MrMickeysMom]

46. Do you believe in a contaminated Justice Branch of Govt? I do...

I believe that our Legislative Branch, scared as hell of Wall Street, was contaminated further by the Justice System Citizen's United...

That leaves the Executive without a balance of powers… Hmmm… Wall Street… Where's are those comfortable shoes?

Here's what Smedly Butler revealed of his wisdom after being caught up on behalf balance of powers -

As he stated himself in a speech he gave on August 21, 1931 to an American Legion convention in New Britain, Connecticut:

"I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....
"I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

"In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..."

[MohRokTah]

47. Your still here?

I expected you to be PPRed by now.

[reddread]

50. you have so much to offer, yourself.

[MohRokTah]

61. I'm a bit of a hothead and have been letting off some steam lately.

Bad juju in my life right now. DU is a place for me to argue and forget it.

My mother in law is in ICU awaiting a liver transplant. She's on dialysis, a vent tube, and a feeding tube. Dialysis is in her neck and her main IV is now in her neck.

She's borderline stable for a transplant if one comes and it will be a double transplant of a liver and a kidney.

As of right now, she has about two weeks of life left. She's classed 1A and gets the first donor available nationwide.

So yeah, I admit I've got some issues and I suspect I'll start an apology thread right after what will happen actually happens because I've taken a lot of this shit out on fellow DUers, even though I shouldn't have.

Oh, and the real kick in the teeth here, this has nothing to do with alcohol consumption, nor anything to do with her lifestyle.

See, a lazy doctor who basically got tired of seeing her constantly for unrinary tract infections prescribed this drug called nitrofurantoin on an ongoing basis. Seems this lazy doctor failed to inform her (or had no clue) that one of the side effects in women of advanced age is liver damage and she should be getting regular (at least every six months) liver enzyme level tests. Sadly, she was on this drug for about eighteen months when about 6 weeks ago a routine test by another doctor showed her liver ezyme levels were too high.

Long story short, the second doctor failed to connect the nitrofurantoin as a potential cause and another two weeks went by. During that time, my Mother in law went on a trip and, to be certain she didn't have an occurrence of the recurring UTI, took this drug for a week prior.

She gets back, has another test, and they send her to the hospital immediately.

Downhill slide since then, and all of it could have been avoided had the first lazy doctor had her come in for some blood work a year ago, noticed some elevated liver enzyme levels, and gone a different route for treatment of the UTI.

It goes without saying my wife is beside herself over this.

So yeah, I've been an asshole lately. I admit it.

[reddread]

78. IM in your corner

Putting aside a medical system which is screwed almost any way you slice it, I sure wish the best to you and your loved ones.
Life appears to be one long or short lesson in struggle and suffering.
Mostly, I just wish to defend your right to be an asshole, for whatever reason you like.
and of course, so many others deserve the same opportunity.
We should be aiming for common ground, solidarity and never settle for the shit they are selling.
I saw exactly what end of life care is like for my mother, but her being as stubborn as she is,
she disappointed them. Its a staggering thing to realize how much medical care our population needs,
and to think what our demographics are about to do in that regard.
We have no choice but to move towards a different approach and must wrest control from the money go round that
is Big Pharm/Insurers/Medical.
Best of luck and warmest wishes!

[MohRokTah]

86. Thank you reddread

I think most of DU and I are right in line with what needs to be done.

I further think the only differences between me and some of DU is in how we get there from here. I tend to accept that everything I believe in and everything I think should be there right now, will probably never happen in the time I have left (I'm 51).

But I'm sure as hell up for us getting as far as we can before I check out!

I also understand a slower approach from Obama than would have been necessary from Hillary in 2008 was needed. Obama was the political equivalent of JAckie Robinson and he couldn't go as far as any of us would have liked. He had to hold back. He couldn't go all pissed off over the GOP bullshit, just like Jackie Robinson couldn't scream back at the hecklers.

This set us back some as far as how far we could take things.

This also paves the way for a Hillary presidency that pushes back on everything because the war on women was inevitable with a weaker Dem president than we would ahve preferred (due to no other reason than race).

Hillary will now be able to step into an iron lady role as president and will be able to push things further than any Dem has ever been able to.

I know she gets a lot of shit from DUers, but I truly believe a Hillary presidency will be the most progressive presidency in history because Obama will have paved the way for a white woman to step in and throw the remaining bullshit of the GOP into the dustbin pf history.

We still won't get all we want, but we will progress more between now and 2024 than this country has ever progressed in its entire history.

Bill Clinton paved the way with making a Dem president popular, and with a popularity that withstood the test of time.

George W. Bush reminded the nation fo why Dems are better as the president than Republicans.

Barack Obama breeched the race issue in an honest and pragmatic way that set the stage for the future.

And Hillary Clinton is staged to become the single most liberal president of my life.

And that's really saying something. There really has not been a liberal president before Barack Obama in my lifetime. Yes, he's nowhere near as liberal as we need, but he's more liberal than Kennedy was. He's more liberal than Carter was. And he's definitely more liberal than Bill Clinton was.

And simply being president will pave the way for Hillary Clinton to be more liberal than Obama is.

Which will allow us to elect an even more liberal president in 2024, because the GOP is not coming back unless they ditch the regressives and let them have their third party ejaculation, which will set the GOP back for two decades at a minimum, four if they choose not to ditch the teabaggers. We'll move the entire nation even further to the left the longer the GOP holds onto the baggers, too.

Increments.

I's all about increments. I can accept that, but I do understand how frustrating the need for increments can be.

[BootinUp]

87. Fun trivia fact.

On a parallel earth in the Sliders series Hillary was the first Clinton President not Bill.

Also best wishes for your mother in law getting well.

[MohRokTah]

88. NEver watched the series.

A Hillary as the first Clinton presidency would have had to be an even less progressive presidency than Bill's, simply due to demographics and political realities of the time.

I hope they took that into account.

[BootinUp]

90. Well It was not shown in depth.

I don't know, Hillary is different than Bill to be sure. They have different backgrounds and well, ways of looking at things. I think she is super.

Hey, Best wishes to your family during the tough time you are in. Hope your family member is taken good care of and recovers.

[MohRokTah]

91. The docs and nurses are incredible.

All we need is the time and the donor. IF somebody else must pass, it would help our family immensely.

As a side note, I've been listed as an organ donor for the past 35 years (got my parents to sign when I was 16).

[BootinUp]

96. Thats good.

I am also listed, always thought it was important should something happen. When people do that they have thought about it and want to have something good come about for someone. Hope it does.

[reddread]

89. Im afraid that Bill and Hillary have a different agenda

Having met some of their true, close friends locally,
and seeing the EXTREME conservatism (to be polite)
and despicable racism and abuse to employees from these
uber wealthy Wal Mart connected scions,
I will not mistake either of them for anything different.
Last time I brought this up, a poster challenged my facts.
Once I posted the familiar last name of these Arkies, there was only
dead silence in response.
They are not nice people, and that is all there is to it.
sorry.
to be clear, the nasty woman in this story is a very close friend of Hillary.
The ex-husband drove Bill around the area in his bus on his visit here.
These are their associates and close friends.
we are not.
There are other stories about our ex-president that reflect equally poorly
but how many of us have family members who have met them and
experienced his not so subtle peccadilloes?
They can really push their luck when voters of good faith have no solid insight.

[BootinUp]

92. One thing about politicians, they know a lot of people

for every shady person she has known, she probably knows 10 wonderful human beings. Of course she is hated by the right wingers, I mean viscerally. Its because they think she will be worse (more progressive) than Bill. You might try reading something about her that doesn't have a negative bias. I think you would be surprised if you knew more about her. Then also there is a video I posted in the Hillary group that has her recent speech where she lays out her personal views on things. Pretty good stuff.

[reddread]

98. I cant choose her CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS for her

these are not just acquaintances.
I know enough about her background to know
that she should be liberal and progressive.
We can always refer to her short voting record.
Her remarks.
We can be as upbeat as we want to, but we sure took a beating from the
work we know them by.

[BootinUp]

99. I'll stop

I just wanted to share my thoughts.

[reddread]

101. I probably wont

I'll stop short of sharing the reason for the disgusted response my family members felt when meeting the President
after my cousin's death in Saudi Arabia.

[BootinUp]

102. awe geez...when did this happen to your cousin?

[reddread]

103. 96. the perfect cure for a news junky

seeing your closest relatives face morning noon and night on TV for a week.
Watching your mother sobbing live and in repeated national news clips during the memorial.
Finding out the President couldnt maintain decorum to the degree that
it appeared his mother and his widow were being sized up.
oops.

[BootinUp]

105. You mean investigated? - edit: scratch that I got it.

I find it somewhat implausible but thats just my bias.

Was this the terrorist bombing?

[reddread]

106. yes, the one that occurred in Saudi

that was originally connected to some financial faucet on again agreement involving Bin Laden with the promise that no more in country attacks would occur, but somehow eventually evolved into a full blown Iranian incursion (at the height of the Bomb Iran hype ten years back) despite the complete lack of US involvement in investigating the quickly decapitated Saudi detainees.
And of course, despite all our Anti-terrorism BULLSHIT even that purported Iranian linked outrage was not worthy of recourse.
When the lies get so big, the last thing you will ever find is justice.
ask me about the perks and benefits of being a card carrying victim of terrorism, sometime.

[BootinUp]

107. So I guess now

its believed it was Bin Laden and not Iran? But still no 100% confirmation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing#Attribution_to_al-Qaeda

Now I can understand better where you are coming from. Thank You.

Your cousin's brave service will be remembered.

[CreekDog]

51. you speak about what DU believes as if you believe something different

things are starting to make sense now.

[hrmjustin]

52. +1

[La Lioness Priyanka]

64. yup

[Rex]

69. Ya those dots are all suddenly coming together.

So it seems.

[TBF]

115. +1 nt

[Rex]

68. So you just decided that the 2000 election is not an issue anymore?

If you believe our justice system as it is now, currently, the backbone of democracy - then I think you are one of the most naive or misinformed persons I've ever met on DU.

[TheKentuckian]

73. Puff, puff, pass. If you believe in our JustUs system you must be past zooted or an evil fuck.

I guess one could be privileged and oblivious without a shred of intellectual curiosity or a hint of empathy.

Or stuck on the surface propaganda and what is on the books with no grasp on what actually happens that twists high minded ideals into cruel mockery of themselves.

Fuck if I can even imagine uttering in word or text that the Supreme Court isn't corrupt in any seriousness.
I think if I tried my tongue would go berserk and throttle my brain for trying to mouth such bullshit.

Justice? Shit, you must have lost it. Dick Cheney is on my TV and Chelsea Manning is in prison. Jamie Diamond gets White House lunches with a Democrat in office and millions are in jail for fucking weed.

Justice!

[BootinUp]

85. +1

[Puzzledtraveller]

82. Indeed, because it will not change

[bluedigger]

95. You've convinced me.

So, who do you think wins American Idol this year?

[Solly Mack]

93. Someone gave the mouse a cookie.

[REP]

94. With every OP of yours I just hear Gunter Glieben Glocken Globen

[Ilsa]

112. haaaaaaaa!!!!! good one! nt

[fishwax]

97. why's that?

[alp227]

109. Once Independence Day passes, silly season posts like this will vanish. nt

[ecstatic]

113. It's not the justice system, it's the people administering it

that suck. From corrupt cops, DAs, and judges to bigoted and/or dumb juries.

[Jamastiene]

114. Let me guess.

You think it is fine and dandy to not cover women's birth control but to cover men's boner pills. Am I right? I'm sure I am, but I want to be clear on what you are really complaining about. I rarely see you outside of the feminist threads and all I see you doing in those is to complain about feminists and extol the virtues (as you seem to see it) of the MRA movement.

[TBF]

116. I feel exactly the opposite -

the fact that Dems are willing to be honest and call the Court on it's BS makes me feel better about supporting this party (I am a socialist and generally vote dem as the least horrible candidate).

I'll ask you straight out: "Do you support the Hobby Lobby decision?"

Let's see if you're honest enough to answer.

[Harmony Blue]

133. No I do not agree with the Hobby Lobby decisoin

but you don't throw the entire justice system under the bus because of one ruling or several rulings.

[TBF]

135. I agree that the justice system isn't the primary problem here -

it is capitalism itself. With props like the Supremes and the Pope backing it up and keeping the masses obedient and docile.

[hobbit709]

120. If you've ever been through the justice system you wouldn't believe in it either.

[get the red out]

126. Our "Justice System" has gone theocratic

Which is against the Constitution, which I do believe in. Theocracy I oppose.

[Spider Jerusalem]

128. It's not about the "justice sytem", it's about judicial review of legislation...

by an ideologically biased Supreme Court that votes along ideological and partisan lines.

Although the justice system is terribly broken as well (most prisoners per capita, routine use of torture in the form of long-term solitary confinement, racial and ethnic disparities in arrests and sentencing, and so on).

[ananda]

129. I live with the reality of our current INjustice system.

..

[ismnotwasm]

134. I suggest you study some of the more egregarious Supreme Court decisions

Before making such blanket statements.

[ljm2002]

139. I see...

...so then to paraphrase, this is your position on Supreme Court decisions:

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our (Supreme Court) in every decision (they) make and should just support that, you know, and be faithful in what happens."

And I'm sure you would have said the same thing, back when, say, the Supremes came up with the Dred Scott decision?

Geez, Louise! I can't believe the number of posts recently telling DUers that criticizing anything within our government means we're not Democrats (because, you know, only Libertarians and Tea Partiers ever are allowed to criticize the gummint); or worse, it means we're active Libertarians / Paulites (because, you know, criticizing anything at all that happens under a Democratic President means we're trying to get Republicans elected); or it means we're part of the "blame America first" brigade (because, well, just because).

No. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Criticisms of our party, our President and our government are part of our birthright as American citizens and to fail to exercise our legitimate expression is a betrayal of core principles. Criticism and back and forth is healthy -- it is in fact what our republic depends on, if we are not to revert to some older, more corrupt governmental form.

We shall see.

[riqster]

140. If DUers can't accept a jury decision, they probably shouldn't post about "justice".

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

[Rex]

142. LOL!

[Iggo]

149. Oh!

Ouch!

[LadyHawkAZ]

150. The justice system is not a single, standalone thing

It's made up of people, run by people and decided on the opinions of people.

No, I don't trust people. That fact is why I backed down from my support of capital punishment. People get things wrong based on their own irrational beliefs and prejudices, quite frequently. The way the system is currently structured means that those irrational beliefs can negatively affect the lives of millions, to no particular purpose.

There needs to be a lot more checks and balances on the courts, particularly the top courts. That shouldn't be a troublesome idea.