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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRalph Nader calls for the impeachment of Obama while he praises libertarians.
By Jeff Zeleny, Jordyn Phelps, and Alexandra Dukakis
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On Capitol Hill, I'm seeing more and more in Congress, left and right, Nader told The Fine Print. It was a vote in the House over a year ago over the NSA snooping, it almost broke through so we're beginning to see formulations that once they click together, they're unstoppable.
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Nader expects there is going to be a growth of left-right alliances in Congress, pointing to the war on drugs and bank regulatory efforts as areas of possibly confluence. On the war on drugs, Nader said that the United States should entirely decriminalize and move to regulate all drugs in the same way alcohol and tobacco are regulated.
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When it comes to the current president, Nader said that Obama has violated the Constitution on several occasions and should be impeached.
"Oh, most definitely," Nader said when asked if Congress should bring forward articles of impeachment against Obama. "The reason why Congress doesn't want to do it is because it's abdicated its own responsibility under the Constitution."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/ralph-naders-america-impeach-obama-decriminalize-drugs-libertarians-progressives-unite-110418813.html
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)we can do it
(12,173 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)mcar
(42,278 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Wolf Frankula
(3,598 posts)He's about fame and fortune for Ralfie Rumplesuit, and posturing before adoring crowds of Ralfers. (Ralfers, that's my name for Rumplesuit's followers.)
Wolf
bowens43
(16,064 posts)Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)In his productive years he did a hell of a lot of good in this country. I was a big admirer of his.
Which once he wore;
The glory from his gray hairs gone
For evermore!
-- John Greenleaf Whittier
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)I'll wait.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Is metadata collection overkill? I believe it is.
Is it impeachable or even illegal?
Nope.
So you do think Obama should be impeached over it?
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I'll wait.
Posting privileges before principles, I'll bet.
Sid
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)It was 100% legal?
Your beef is with the USA PATRIOT Act which has withstood SCOTUS scrutiny?
I'm all for repealing that abomination but really, you think following the law is an impeachable offense?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)party that supports him ?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...permits the Chief Executive to order extra-judicial killing, indefinite detention without charge, or to accept bribes?
'Cause I think that's a case for impeachment, if there is one, and could have been brought against more presidents than Obama.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Okay ... link to it or stfu about impeachment.
The rest of your concern is contained in the Commander in Chief role under the Congressionally passed Patriot Acts.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...the diplomatic qualifications of George Tsunis.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Was the result of bribery?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"I made a B.S. claim that I can't back up."
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I'm sure that one of his fans will enlighten us.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)what does his unfindable qualifications have to do with your bribery assertion?
BTW, my google seems to be working just fine.
http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments-and-resignations/ambassador-to-norway-who-is-george-tsunis-131207?news=851850
I'm not a fan of Tsunis; but I am less of a fan of B.S.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And I agree. Oh, I know that we have long been conditioned to accept a little quid pro quo, and by Citizens United standards ambassadorships for cronies are small potatoes. But it is paying for access to money and power, and it's not something that we necessarily have to tolerate or minimize, if we care.
Let's not pretend that it's something fundamentally different from what the law recognizes as bribery...no more than I would claim that Obama invented it.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)Ralph Nader is a charlatan.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)NAder apparently doesn't understand how impeachment works based upon his comments.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)Initech
(100,043 posts)We didn't impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney for war crimes but we'll impeach Obama because of a bullshit, fact less, Fox News talking point about an embassy attack that refuses to die? Fuck that!
sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)and his cheer leading bunch of dickwad followers.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Fuck you, Ralph.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)One: NSA surveillance is legal, according to the courts, and it was in place long before Obama became president. Just because you don't like surveillance, that doesn't necessarily make it an impeachable offense, and plenty of other countries use forms of surveillance, as well. Why single out the U.S.?
Two: If you want the drug laws to change, help elect more people to Congress who oppose the Drug War. A President has no power to change legislation--they only sign or veto it. Furthermore, libertarians mostly want the federal drug policy to stop being enforced. They're OK with the Drug War being waged in individual states.
Three: An alliance among progressives and libertarians wouldn't last long at all. Libertarianism is the antithesis of progressivism. Libertarians oppose all government period, except for maybe the police and the military. They don't like the safety net. They want to do away with the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. They hate gun control. They hate environmental regulations and food nutrition standards. They don't want anti-discrimination laws for businesses. They want to do away with taxes. They oppose public schooling. They oppose government-run health care. I could go on...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)wndycty
(17,445 posts). . .it amazes me how he just does not get it.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)One must ask how much he is worth now.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)could give a rats ass what anyone here thinks as I am certain many of you will feel the same about what I think.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,776 posts)regarding Ralph Nader
http://artists.refuseandresist.org/news14/news679.html
(snip)
Ralph Nader is the most arrogant and narcissistic guy I've ever met. I had a meeting with him in the early Nineties. I was jazzed going into the meeting, and I was disgusted leaving. I don't think I've ever met a bigger asshole. If he hadn't run in the last election, we wouldn't be in Iraq and thousands of people wouldn't have died needlessly.
(snip)
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Nader did not vote for the Iraq war. He has no more authority to send the US military into another country than you or I.
Blaming Nader for Iraq is a display of ignorance.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)JI7
(89,241 posts)who get violent .
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)my BM this morning was more progressive than him.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Should have never made the career switch to politician.
Now the only thing that seems attracted to Nader, is pies.
smiley
(1,432 posts)I'd be interested to see the exact transcript from when he said this. His quoted words in the article do not say he is calling for impeachment and could very well be taken out of context to fit a narrative.
I'm very skeptical of yahoo news.
Cha
(296,881 posts)ellie
(6,928 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Where the fuck are the mods? Why aren't they enforcing the fucking rules?
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Ralph Nader is presently irrelevant to anything. And one presumes that if he's calling for Obama's impeachment it's probably over things like drone warfare and NSA surveillance, not being a secret Kenyan terrorist or whatever craziness the extreme right want him impeached for.
And he praises libertarians for support of drug decriminalisation and opposition to NSA surveillance? So? Are civil liberties a bad thing, now?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)Anyone who still believes he's a liberal please check out the following link.
http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2011/06/27/ralph-nader-turns-rightest-on-cisco/
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)Said it.
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)Spirochete
(5,264 posts)That phony jackrag never tries to do anything to help. We never hear from him in between elections. He just sits with his thumb up his ass for three years, until there's a pending election. Then there he is, pissing in the soup again...