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lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
1. There is no reason to sue the government about vasectomies.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jul 2014

The government doesn't require or even suggest that insurers pay for them.

Good question. What about Vasectomies? Shouldn't they be something, like tubal ligation, that Obamacare should cover?

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
2. Correct that they're not mandated by ACA, but the question was does HL pay for them.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:16 PM
Jul 2014

I'd like to know the answer to that one.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
6. The premise of their lawsuit is that they opposed forms of BC
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jul 2014

... that they consider abortifacient such as plan b and IUD's.

And that they were okay with other methods mandated by Obamacare such as tubal ligation, spermicidal foam and birth control pills.

If that rationale is accurate then I suspect they wouldn't have a problem with vasectomy from an ethical standpoint.

Although the government is fine if they simply object on a cost basis.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
4. I heard they are covered and HL didn't sue about that.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jul 2014

Their issue was "abortfacients", drugs they believe (and Alito supported) abort a pregnancy. In fact, these drugs prevent the egg from fertilizing, thus preventing pregnancy. The end result of the law suit: more pregnancies and more abortions. That's another reason (of many) that Alito's argument was so flawed.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
3. I don't think they would care.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:19 PM
Jul 2014

Their viewpoint is that the second a sperm meets an egg, a life is created, and they object to paying for anything that they (wrongly) see as interfering with that supposed life. They don't object to paying for contraceptives that prevent the sperm and egg meeting in the first place, so I'm pretty sure they would not object to paying for a vasectomy.

FourScore

(9,704 posts)
5. Exactly. Except the drugs they sued over do prevent pregnancy.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:25 PM
Jul 2014

They are not abortfacients as was claimed in the lawsuit. It's infuriating!!

Skittles

(153,103 posts)
10. then why would they invest in a company that makes Plan B?
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jul 2014

or buy their crap from a country that forces abortions? Fuck them, they are lying hypocrites

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. except that LIFE on earth began 3.8 billion years ago
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jul 2014

and the Greens, in their biblical ignorance of human reproduction are ignorant that ALL life comes from previous life in an unbroken chain from that early time.

LIFE doesn't begin at conception. Christian dogma from ignorant authority and other conceptualizations of LIFE being created de nova for each offspring at the time of conception (or at quickening, or at birth) are mistaken understanding based on rationalizations now long obsolete.

These folks need to be welcomed to the human haploid-diploid life history.

Igel

(35,268 posts)
7. That you see no anger is expected.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014

That you expect anger means that you don't understand most RW on this issue. It's a frequent problem. Some social-science research shows that those on the left are on average far more certain about other people's political motivations than those on the right; they're generally more certain of RW's motivations even than other RWs are. I find this a curious result about aversion to uncertainty and hardening of political boundaries, but there it is. Anyway ...

Monty Python satirized Catholics and many thought the satire true: Every sperm is sacred. A lot of people simply don't get satire. It's like Gulliver's Travels: If you don't have a certain level of background information it doesn't make a whole let of sense.

For HL and not a few other on the RW, it's fertilized eggs. If they should naturally fail to implant or spontaneously abort, that's the way it goes. You don't argue with Mother Nature or Father God. Even if you do something by accident to cause a spontaneous abortion, oh, well: accidents happen and even atheists draw a distinction between intentional transgressions and accidental transgressions (for most things). But intentionally artificially blocking a likely implantation or triggering an abortion is screwing with Mother Nature and usurping Father God. In a world in which there is some sort of Grand Design instead of random chance, but humans are free to screw with that Grand Design because God has given them the opportunity to mess up, this makes sense.

Squinch

(50,897 posts)
8. Yes. Hobby Lobby does cover vasectomies, viagra and condoms. Amazing, isn't it? They also
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:34 PM
Jul 2014

have invested 73 million dollars in a company that manufactures the morning after pill.

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