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FourScore

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 03:18 PM Jul 2014

Independence Day Special: A Dozen Facts About America Conservatives Would Like You to Forget

Fri Jul 04, 2014 at 03:09 AM PDT
Independence Day Special: A Dozen Facts About America Conservatives Would Like You to Forget
by Richard Riis





1. Conservatives opposed the Founding Fathers, the American Revolution and a lot of other righteous stuff as well.

By definition a conservative is one who wishes to preserve and/or restore traditional values and institutions, i.e. to “conserve” the established order. No surprise then that 18th century American conservatives wanted no part of breaking away from the British Empire and the comforting bonds of monarchical government. Those anti-revolutionary conservatives were called Tories, the name still used for the conservative party in England. The Founding Fathers? As radically left-wing as they came in the 1770s. The Boston Tea Party? The "Occupy Wall Street" of its day.

Some of the other "traditional" values supported by conservatives over the course of American history have included slavery (remember that the Republican Party was on the liberal fringe in 1860), religious persecution, the subjugation of women and minorities, obstacles to immigration, voter suppression, prohibition and segregation. Conservatives started off on the wrong side of American history, and that's where they've been ever since.

2. The United States is not a Christian nation, and the Bible is not the cornerstone of our law.

Don’t take my word for it. Let these Founding Fathers speak for themselves:

John Adams: “The government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797)

Thomas Jefferson: “Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law.” (Letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814)

James Madison: “The civil government … functions with complete success … by the total separation of the Church from the State.” (Writings, 8:432, 1819)

George Washington: “If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” (Letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789)

You can find a multitude of similar quotes from these men and most others who signed the Declaration of Independence and/or formulated the United States Constitution. These are hardly the words of men who believed that America should be a Christian nation governed by the Bible, as a disturbing fundamentalist trend today would have it be.

2. Long before the United States even existed, it was drawing "problem" immigrants.

After being pretty much run out of England as anti-government radicals, the religious dissidents we know today as the Pilgrims settled in Leiden, Holland, where they set about making themselves that nation's immigrant problem. Sticking to themselves and refusing to “blend in” with their new homeland, the Pilgrims grew alarmed by the unpalatable ideas to which their children were being exposed, such as religious tolerance (good for the Pilgrims, bad for everyone else) and national service (like all Dutch residents, the Pilgrims were eligible for the draft). When their children began picking up the Dutch language, the Pilgrims had had enough. By then the Dutch had, too. Next stop: Plymouth Rock.

3. Those Pilgrims were commies... and it saved their lives.

Governor William Bradford’s memoirs confirm that the first thing the settlers did upon arrival in the Plymouth Colony was to set up a textbook communist system of production and distribution. Every resident of the colony was expected to share, to the extent of his or her ability, the chores of hunting, farming, cooking, building, making clothing, etc., and, in exchange, everyone shared the products of that communal labor.

That commie-pinko economy sustained the Pilgrims through their first brutal year in the New World, after which it was decided that the colony was sufficiently stable to allow householders their own plot of land on which to grow crops they were free to keep for themselves. The fact that the colonists’ productivity increased exponentially with their own land begs the question: were the Pilgrims working harder now that they got to keep the product of their own labor or, conversely, were they prone to slacking off when the goods came whether they worked hard or not?

I guess you could say the Pilgrims were the kind of lazy, shiftless “takers” that conservatives are always railing against.

4. One of the Founding Fathers, Thomas Jefferson, hated Thanksgiving.

In fact, Thomas Jefferson once called a national day of Thanksgiving “the most ridiculous idea” he’d ever heard of.

Despite being first proclaimed by George Washington in 1789, Jefferson believed a national day of thanksgiving was not consistent with the principle of separation of church and state and refused to recognize the holiday in any of the eight years in which he was president of the United States. “Every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason,” Jefferson once wrote, “and mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the United States, and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents.”

For the record, Presidents Andrew Jackson and Zachary Taylor refused to issue Thanksgiving Day proclamations during their administrations, too. Can you imagine what Fox News Channel would have made of these administrations' “War on Thanksgiving”?

5. The Pledge of Allegiance was written by a socialist.

The Pledge was written in 1892 for public school celebrations of the 400th anniversary of Columbus’ arrival in the Americas. Its author was Francis Bellamy, a Baptist minister, Christian socialist and cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy. Christian socialism maintains, among other ideas, that capitalism is idolatrous and rooted in greed, and the underlying cause of much of the world’s social inequity. Kinda puts the red in the ol' red, white and blue, doesn't it?

6. Roe v. Wade was a bipartisan decision made by a predominantly Republican-appointed Supreme Court.

Technically, Roe v. Wade did not make abortion legal in the United States, the Supreme Court merely found that the state of Texas’ prohibition on abortion violated the 14th Amendment Due Process Clause and that states could exercise varying degrees of discretion in regulating abortion, depending upon the stage of pregnancy. The Court also held the law violated the right to privacy under substantive due process.
That being said, the landmark 1973 ruling that conservatives love to hate, was decided on a 7-2 vote that broke down like this:

Majority (for Roe): Chief Justice Warren Burger (conservative, appointed by Nixon), William O. Douglas (liberal, appointed by FDR), William J. Brennan (liberal, appointed by Eisenhower), Potter Stewart (moderate, appointed by Eisenhower), Thurgood Marshall (liberal, appointed by LBJ), Harry Blackmun (author of the majority opinion and a conservative who eventually turned liberal, appointed by Nixon), Lewis Powell (moderate, appointed by Nixon). Summary: 3 liberals, 2 conservatives, 2 moderates.

Dissenting (for Wade): Byron White (generally liberal/sometimes conservative, appointed by JFK), William Rehnquist (conservative, appointed by Nixon). Summary: 1 liberal, 1 conservative.

By ideological orientation, it was an across-the-board decision for Roe: conservatives 2-1, liberals 3-1, moderates 2-0; by party of presidential appointment: Republicans 5-1, Democrats 2-1. No one can rightly say that this was a leftist court forcing its liberal beliefs on America.

7. Conservative icon Ronald Reagan once signed a bill legalizing abortion.

The Ronald Reagan conservatives worship today is more myth than reality. Reagan was a conservative for sure, but also a practical politician who understood the necessities of compromise. In the spring of 1967, four months into his first term as governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed a bill that, among other provisions, legalized abortion for the vaguely-defined “well being” of the mother. Reagan may have been personally pro-life, but in this instance he was willing to compromise in order to achieve other ends he considered more important. That he claimed later to regret signing the bill doesn’t change the fact that he did. As Casey Stengel liked to say, “You could look it up.”

8. Reagan also raised federal taxes eleven times.

Okay, Ronald Reagan cut tax rates more than any other president – with a big asterisk. Sure, the top rate was reduced from 70% in 1980 all the way down to 28% in 1988, but while Republicans typically point to Reagan’s tax-cutting as the right approach to improving the economy, Reagan himself realized the resulting national debt from his revenue slashing was untenable, so he quietly raised other taxes on income – primarily Social Security and payroll taxes - no less than eleven times. Most of Reagan’s highly publicized tax cuts went to the usual handout-takers in the top income brackets, while his stealth tax increases had their biggest impact on the middle class. These increases were well hidden inside such innocuous-sounding packages as the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982, the Deficit Reduction Act of 1984 and the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1987. Leave it to a seasoned actor to pull off such a masterful charade.

9. Barry Goldwater was pro-choice, supported gay rights, deeply despised the Religious Right, and - gasp! - liked Hillary Clinton.

It's a measure of just how much farther right contemporary conservatism has shifted in just a generation or two that Barry "Mr. Conservative" Goldwater, the Republican standard-bearer in 1964, couldn't buy a ticket into a GOP convention in 2014.

There's no debating Goldwater's deeply conservative bona fides, but check these pronouncements from the man himself:

"I am a conservative Republican, but I believe in democracy and the separation of church and state. The conservative movement is founded on the simple tenet that people have the right to live life as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process." (Interview, Washington Post, July 28, 1994)

"A woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right." (Interview, Los Angeles Times, 1994)

“The big thing is to make this country… quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. ... They're American citizens.” (Interview, Washington Post, July 28, 1994)

"Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know; I've tried to deal with them. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of ‘conservatism.’" (Congressional Record, September 16, 1981)

"If [Bill Clinton] let his wife run business, I think he'd be better off. ... I just like the way she acts. I've never met her, but I sent her a bag of chili, and she invited me to come to the White House some night and said she'd cook chili for me." (Interview, Washington Post, July 28, 1994)

10. The first president to propose national health insurance was a Republican.

He was also a trust-busting, pro-labor, Nobel Peace Prize-winning environmentalist. Is there any wonder why Theodore Roosevelt, who first proposed a system of national health insurance during his unsuccessful Progressive Party campaign to retake the White House from William Howard Taft in 1912, gets scarce mention at Republican National Conventions these days?

11. Those "job-killing" environmental regulations? Republican things.

Sometimes being conservative can be a good thing, like when it applies to conserving America's clean air and water, endangered wildlife and awesome natural beauty. Many of Theodore Roosevelt's greatest accomplishments as president were in the area of conserving America's natural environment. In 1905, Roosevelt formed the United States Forestry Service. Under his presidential authority, vast expanses of American real estate were declared off limits for private development and reserved for public use. During Roosevelt's time as president, forest reserves in the United States went from approximately 43 million acres to about 194 million acres. Talk about big government land grabs!

The United States Environmental Protection Agency, arch-enemy of polluters in particular and government regulation haters in general, was created by that other well-known GOP tree hugger, Richard Nixon. In his 1970 State of the Union Address, Nixon proclaimed the new decade a period of environmental transformation. Shortly thereafter he presented Congress an unprecedented 37-point message on the environment, requesting billions for the improvement of water treatment facilities, asking for national air quality standards and stringent guidelines to lower motor vehicle emissions, and launching federally-funded research to reduce automobile pollution. Nixon also ordered a clean-up of air- and water-polluting federal facilities, sought legislation to end the dumping of wastes into the Great Lakes, proposed a tax on lead additives in gasoline, and approved a National Contingency Plan for the treatment of petroleum spills. In July 1970 Nixon declared his intention to establish the Environmental Protection Agency, and that December the EPA opened for business. Hard to believe, but had it not been for Watergate, we might remember Richard Nixon today as the “environmental president”.

Oh, yes – conservatives would rather forget that Nixon was an advocate of national health insurance, too.

12. President Obama was not only born in the United States, his roots run deeper in American history than most conservatives’ - and most other Americans' - do.

The argument that Barack Obama was born anywhere but at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, is not worth addressing; the evidence is indisputable by any rational human being. But not even irrational “birthers” can dispute Obama’s well-documented family tree on his mother’s side. By way of his Dunham lineage, President Obama has at least 11 direct ancestors who took up arms and fought for American independence in the Revolutionary War and two others cited as patriots by the Daughters of the American Revolution for furnishing supplies to the colonial army. This star-spangled heritage makes Obama eligible to join the Sons of the American Revolution, and his daughters the Daughters of the American Revolution. Not bad for someone some conservatives on the lunatic fringe still insist is a foreigner bent on destroying the United States of America.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/04/1311570/-Independence-Day-Special-A-Dozen-Facts-About-America-Conservatives-Would-Like-You-to-Forget

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Independence Day Special: A Dozen Facts About America Conservatives Would Like You to Forget (Original Post) FourScore Jul 2014 OP
Excellent post. K&R Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #1
Conservatives may have been against the Revolution, but they've been for every war since. lob1 Jul 2014 #2
Oh they were for that war too.. just on the opposing side. SomethingFishy Jul 2014 #5
So very true. freshwest Jul 2014 #18
Yes, and I have it on good authority that the tea was thrown into Boston Harbor was done so by Code rhett o rick Jul 2014 #17
Imagine the horror if we had remained under British rule. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #3
The British have their own problems, but it does bring to mind one of my favorite quotes... EEO Jul 2014 #7
Ha! Great quote. Oakenshield Jul 2014 #8
Maybe so, I suppose. But it could have gone the other way as well. AverageJoe90 Jul 2014 #10
K & R n/t malaise Jul 2014 #4
"... not one of the first six presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian..." EEO Jul 2014 #6
Well screw you Thomas Jefferson!!! LynneSin Jul 2014 #9
Sasha and Malia in the DAR wryter2000 Jul 2014 #11
Yeah, that caught my eye, too! Jim Lane Jul 2014 #15
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #12
And the right wing puts their fingers in their ears Gman Jul 2014 #13
Kicked and recommended, although you did sell me out for some Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #14
Facts do not matter to RWers, but that was good just the same. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2014 #16
Kicked and recommended! I like the eagle, "Say what?" Enthusiast Jul 2014 #19
K&R +1,000!! TRoN33 Jul 2014 #20
Regarding number 12: Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #21
I like those quotes from Barry Goldwater. Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #22
Great post! Thank you. santamargarita Jul 2014 #23
The conservatives of today... davidthegnome Jul 2014 #24
Just as it was conservatives that wanted to 'conserve' the existing government... Blanks Jul 2014 #25
Thanks! stage left Jul 2014 #26
Number One Cartoonist Jul 2014 #27
9. Barry Goldwater rock Jul 2014 #28
The early history is very distorted. former9thward Jul 2014 #29
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. Yes, and I have it on good authority that the tea was thrown into Boston Harbor was done so by Code
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jul 2014

Pink. Just sayin.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
3. Imagine the horror if we had remained under British rule.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

We might have universal healthcare and education, or worse a coalition government!

EEO

(1,620 posts)
7. The British have their own problems, but it does bring to mind one of my favorite quotes...
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jul 2014

"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities."

Winston Churchill

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
10. Maybe so, I suppose. But it could have gone the other way as well.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:29 PM
Jul 2014

Maybe slavery could have lasted a bit longer and parts of this country might have ended up.......like an even nastier South Africa, possibly. Suffrage might have only become a reality in 1950 or 1960 instead of 1920. There might have been a longer and nastier Gilded Age as well.....

I mean, I suppose it'd be nice to dream of a giant Canada, but all I'm saying is, things might not necessarily have ended up that way.
But if you are into the "American Canada" scenario(and I myself think it's pretty interesting, TBH.), then I'd like to suggest that you check out Robert Sobel's classic "For Want of a Nail" from 1971 sometime. It's alternate history of course, but it provides a fascinating look at what could have been.

EEO

(1,620 posts)
6. "... not one of the first six presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian..."
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jul 2014

"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century
champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six
Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."

Mortimer Adler

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
15. Yeah, that caught my eye, too!
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jul 2014

The writer intended just as a rhetorical point, but I hope the Obama daughters consider actually doing it someday. What a hoot that first meeting would be.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
12. K&R
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jul 2014

Torries, the lot of them. It's as if we never fought the war! Great OP, thanks to you FourScore!

Gman

(24,780 posts)
13. And the right wing puts their fingers in their ears
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 06:27 PM
Jul 2014

and sings, "la la la la la... I can't hear you!"

Uncle Joe

(58,282 posts)
14. Kicked and recommended, although you did sell me out for some Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream.
Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jul 2014



Thanks for the thread, FourScore.
 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
21. Regarding number 12:
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:13 PM
Jul 2014

All that matters is that he was born in the USA, really. Personally? I find the idea that someone whose ancestry goes back to the Mayflower, or whatever, is somehow "more American" than someone whose parents immigrated 30 years ago to be kind of distastefully nativist--some of my ancestors were at Jamestown, and Obama and I are distant cousins, but I just see that as mildly interesting but irrelevant; it doesn't make either of us any more American than the first-generation American children of immigrants.

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
22. I like those quotes from Barry Goldwater.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jul 2014

Of course, Goldwater and I would disagree on many things, but I do appreciate that he was honest in his beliefs. He may have been dead wrong, but he was never hypocritical.

Goldwater was the man who persuaded Nixon to resign, when he told Nixon that he had at most half a dozen votes against his impeachment in the Senate, and Goldwater's vote wasn't one of them.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
24. The conservatives of today...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jul 2014

generally speaking, are not conservative. I don't think I can come up with a word quite foul enough to describe them - and I know a whole lot of words.

K & R for truth.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
25. Just as it was conservatives that wanted to 'conserve' the existing government...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jul 2014

Instead of fighting a revolution. The conservatives of today are trying to 'conserve' the existing education system as well as the existing liberal programs.

This is why the modern opposition to conservatives are progressives. Simply restoring a 'liberal' program is a conservative act.

There is obviously room to discuss the kind of improvements that can be made through a progressive administration, but those who advocate for NEVER changing a system AT ALL - are obviously not progressive at all.

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
27. Number One
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jul 2014

That's the one today's conservatives can't hear if you use a bullhorn.
Benedict Arnold used to be a hero, but then he fell in love with a Tory and betrayed the Revolution.
Reagan used to be a Democrat, then he fell for a repub and turned traitor to his country.

rock

(13,218 posts)
28. 9. Barry Goldwater
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 05:19 PM
Jul 2014

You can see that he was Conservative but more importantly believed in the Democracy, unlike today's CONseratives who are essentially Fascist.

former9thward

(31,936 posts)
29. The early history is very distorted.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jul 2014

The founders "left wing Occupy Wall Street"? Nonsense. George Washington was the wealthiest member of the New World. The founders did not want to leave Great Britain. Their slogan was "No taxation without representation". Get the word "representation"? They wanted American Members of Parliament. The Boston Tea Party was a revolt about new taxes on tea.

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