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marmar

(77,073 posts)
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:28 AM Jul 2014

Howard Zinn’s July 4 Wisdom: Put Away Your Flags


from the Progressive:


By Howard Zinn

Editor’s Note: Historian and activist Howard Zinn, a World War II bombardier, was the author of the best-selling "A People's History of the United States.” This piece was distributed by the Progressive Media Project in 2006.


On this July 4, we would do well to renounce nationalism and all its symbols: its flags, its pledges of allegiance, its anthems, its insistence in song that God must single out America to be blessed.

Is not nationalism -- that devotion to a flag, an anthem, a boundary so fierce it engenders mass murder -- one of the great evils of our time, along with racism, along with religious hatred?

These ways of thinking -- cultivated, nurtured, indoctrinated from childhood on -- have been useful to those in power, and deadly for those out of power.

National spirit can be benign in a country that is small and lacking both in military power and a hunger for expansion (Switzerland, Norway, Costa Rica and many more). But in a nation like ours -- huge, possessing thousands of weapons of mass destruction -- what might have been harmless pride becomes an arrogant nationalism dangerous to others and to ourselves.

Our citizenry has been brought up to see our nation as different from others, an exception in the world, uniquely moral, expanding into other lands in order to bring civilization, liberty, democracy.

That self-deception started early. ................(more)

The complete piece: http://progressive.org/news/2014/07/187763/howard-zinn%E2%80%99s-july-4-wisdom-put-away-your-flags#sthash.9015rwFk.dpuf



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Howard Zinn’s July 4 Wisdom: Put Away Your Flags (Original Post) marmar Jul 2014 OP
du rec. xchrom Jul 2014 #1
R&K SamKnause Jul 2014 #2
Flag planting is kneejerk cut-rate mindless "patriotism". Most of these flags are displayed ...... marble falls Jul 2014 #3
And kept up overnight and in the pouring rain. I am old enough to remember maddiemom Jul 2014 #8
That's what I'm talking about!!!! heaven05 Jul 2014 #4
Zinn deserves more recognition RoccoR5955 Jul 2014 #5
Or how about the Indian villages who were flying the US flag... dougolat Jul 2014 #6
I struggle with this... cling2reality Jul 2014 #7
Modern patriotism emphasizes militarism, not the fundamental principles of the Declaration judgegblue Jul 2014 #9
Very true ........ marmar Jul 2014 #10
The flag is not just about the government. It is about ALL the people, and MUCH is good. RBInMaine Jul 2014 #11
It's a symbol ...... marmar Jul 2014 #13
Putting away our US flag is just as meaningless as flying it if not followed by action for change. aikoaiko Jul 2014 #12
I like the term "malignant nationalism"... Bigmack Jul 2014 #14
Too many "Patriots" Are Tone Deaf colsohlibgal Jul 2014 #15
Very insightful and lucid writing from Zinn YoungDemCA Jul 2014 #16
Anecdotally, I saw a "patriotic" billboard today YoungDemCA Jul 2014 #17
Stars and Stripes Forever Petrushka Jul 2014 #18
Thank you for these clips! ReRe Jul 2014 #22
Brings to mind the Einstein quote: lastlib Jul 2014 #19
Star Spangled Banner As You've Never Heard It Petrushka Jul 2014 #20
K&R!!! DeSwiss Jul 2014 #21
love that quote marmar Jul 2014 #23
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's brains... Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #24
i pledge to the constitution. NOT a flag. pansypoo53219 Jul 2014 #25
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #27

marble falls

(57,075 posts)
3. Flag planting is kneejerk cut-rate mindless "patriotism". Most of these flags are displayed ......
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 08:23 AM
Jul 2014

in ways that break the rules for display. What's so wonderful about the huge and usually sad condition of those giant flags waving over car dealerships?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
8. And kept up overnight and in the pouring rain. I am old enough to remember
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:26 AM
Jul 2014

going to school when kids were sent out to take down the flag when it rained.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
5. Zinn deserves more recognition
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:43 AM
Jul 2014

than he currently gets. He was one of the most important historians and patriots this country ever had!

cling2reality

(56 posts)
7. I struggle with this...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:14 AM
Jul 2014

Thought about it at fireworks last night.
They played a lot of patriotic music including "God Bless the USA" by Greenwood.
Unfortunately, I have been very jaded by much of it because the "fake patriot, Fox news facists, Cliven Bundy worshipping, Dixie Chick CD smashing, mouth breathing, tea party morons" have co-opted these songs as their own and they don't even understand true patriotism.

Yet, I put it out of my mind and just listened to the lyrics of the patriotic music being played. The fact is, despite those idiots, I agree with the sentiments expressed in the lyrics. I refuse to let fake patriots question whether I love my country.
Therefore, I will fly my flag this weekend and I will sing along with every patriotic song because I fucking love my country.
Unlike the tea party "keep government out of my medicare" fools, I understand my country and want it to be better for everyone.
I support my military families whether I agree with the mission which the profiteers send them on or not.

And if someone questions my patriotism or says that I "hate America" just because I disagree with going to war I will fight them.

I will fly my flag and sing patriotic songs because I refuse to allow any of those right wing fuckers to take them away from me.

judgegblue

(140 posts)
9. Modern patriotism emphasizes militarism, not the fundamental principles of the Declaration
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jul 2014

The 4th of July should celebrate the principles espoused by the Founders, equality, justice, true freedom to pursue happiness to all. Today, the 4th is more like Memorial Day where the emphasis is on military service and exploits. How ironic that on the 4th we have people aggressively demonstrating against immigration reform and have a Supreme Court that recognizes the rights to corporations, while allowing discrimination and subjugation of women. With liberty and justice for all, provided you are a wealthy, white, Christian male or a corporation.

marmar

(77,073 posts)
10. Very true ........
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:02 AM
Jul 2014

..... All of the 4th of July PSAs I watched yesterday during baseball games or whatever involved the military.


 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
11. The flag is not just about the government. It is about ALL the people, and MUCH is good.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:09 AM
Jul 2014

Just because you display a flag proudly doesn't mean it is just about honoring the government. It is about honoring the WHOLE nation and its ideals. Sure, there are problems. There is also much GOOD. So I will keep flying the flag, and if you want to
poo-poo it, then go ahead and wallow in your negativity.

marmar

(77,073 posts)
13. It's a symbol ......
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jul 2014

..... I choose to honor Americans by engaging in activism to support them and those "ideals". Waving a flag is about as meaningless an act as I can think of.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
12. Putting away our US flag is just as meaningless as flying it if not followed by action for change.
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:10 AM
Jul 2014

Positive change.

But I'm sure urging people to put away their flags seems edgy and subversive to some people.
 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
14. I like the term "malignant nationalism"...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 11:16 AM
Jul 2014

..that's the best way to describe the "patriotism" we see in RW circles these days.

It's not just "my country is great and I love it"... it's "my country is the greatest, I love it, and you other countries ain't shit".

I love my country like the child of an alcoholic mother loves her.... I love her, certainly, but I wish she would do better.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
15. Too many "Patriots" Are Tone Deaf
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jul 2014

The term "American Exceptionalism" plays in other nations as "we're better than you". It comes off as pretty haughty IMHO.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
17. Anecdotally, I saw a "patriotic" billboard today
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jul 2014

It was red, white, and blue, with some "proud to be an American" slogan on it.

The billboard was an advertisement for Budweiser. That sums it up, IMHO: consumeristic corporate capitalism and jingoistic militaristic nationalism often go hand in hand in America these days.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
22. Thank you for these clips!
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:08 PM
Jul 2014

My Mother played this on the piano. Also, my Grandmother played it on the mandolin!

lastlib

(23,213 posts)
19. Brings to mind the Einstein quote:
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jul 2014

"Nationalism is an infantile disease; it is the measles of mankind."

Yeah. It's the kind of shit that started two world wars in the last century, and it's a big part of why we started wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. K&R!!!
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jul 2014


[center]''I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.'' - Thomas Jefferson[/center]
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
24. "Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's brains...
Sat Jul 5, 2014, 09:15 PM
Jul 2014
"Flags are bits of colored cloth that governments use first to shrink-wrap people's brains and then as ceremonial shrouds to bury the dead." Arundhati Roy

“Patriots always talk of dying for their country but never of killing for their country.” Bertrand Russell
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