This means Warren: Obama backs challenger to Hillary (NY Post)

[Nye Bevan]

President Obama has quietly promised Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren complete support if she runs for president — a stinging rebuke to his nemesis Hillary Clinton, sources tell me.

Publicly, Obama has remained noncommittal on the 2016 race, but privately he worries that Clinton would undo and undermine many of his policies. There’s also a personal animosity, especially with Bill Clinton, that dates from their tough race six years ago.

A former Harvard law professor and administration aide, Warren would energize the left wing of the Democrat Party just as Obama did against Clinton in 2008.

......

“Barack, Michelle, and Valerie have been talking about Elizabeth Warren for quite some time,” says an Obama administration source. “Valerie has told Warren that Obama is prepared to throw a great deal of money and organizational support behind her.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/06/this-means-warren-obama-backs-challenger-to-hillary/

This is an exclusive so the NY Post is the only source. Make of it what you will.

[The Magistrate]

1. Extremely Lame, Sir

"Edward Klein is the author of “Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas” (Regnery Publishing),"

[MohRokTah]

19. Regnery Publishing and the NY Post are fine establishments of journalism.

Yellow journalism, to be a bit more precise.

[Starry Messenger]

77. Ouch. (nt)

[lamp_shade]

2. Oh my... an "exclusive" from NY Post...

[Joe Bacon]

27. More lies from SCREWPERT Murdoch!

It's time to bring back ownership limits, Equal Time Provision and the Fairness Doctrine.

FUCK MURDOCH!

[Omaha Steve]

30. Yes it is time

I agree 100%. Rush has said several times if the Fairness Doctrine come back, he is out of business.

[Shankapotomus]

3. Just for some perspective

http://m.

[Spider Jerusalem]

4. Not credible if a Murdoch paper is the only source (n/t)

[BeyondGeography]

5. At least you put NY Post in the thread title

(False) would have been good, too. The Post has gone full Nat'l Enquirer under Obama. It's what Rupert demands.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. That's not fair

The National Enquirer is almost always accurate.

[brooklynite]

23. Only if the headline matches with the "The Star"

[Metric System]

6. Written by notorious hack Edward Klein. This part in particular had me rolling my eyes: "The Obamas

believe that Warren sees things from the same ideological point of view as they do. She is a committed progressive who, like Obama, wants to transform America into a European-style democratic-socialist state.”

[pnwmom]

14. That one jumped out at me, too. It proves this whole story is trash. n/t

[cali]

7. you just posted the worst kind of trash. Ed Klein? Please. You should be embarrassed

to even think of posting this stinking shit.

[MannyGoldstein]

8. Warren is a terrible danger to women

When I ran this information before a well-informed Democratic Party operative, he pooh-poohed the scenario.

“It’s all bulls–t,” he said. “The media is creating a Hillary Clinton-Elizabeth Warren rivalry to hype the storyline. If Warren dared to challenge Hillary, women all over America would never forgive her. She’d lose all her credibility.”

Women must unite against Warren, and fast, or they face years of mansplaining from the Oval Office.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

[djean111]

9. Bwahahahaha!

If Warren dared to challenge Hillary, women all over America would never forgive her. She’d lose all her credibility.”

Um, no. DARE to challenge Hillary? Oh, the hubris.

[Chan790]

57. I was wondering where you were going with this...

until I got to the Third-Way Manny signature.

Congrats on transcending Poe's Law and well-written satire. It's hard to tell even if there was a real Democratic operative or if they're a figment of Ed Klein's imagination.

[Trust Buster]

11. You have been unwittingly used as a Right wing TOOL....LOL

[socialist_n_TN]

49. I'm not sure "unwittingly" is the correct adjective....

[Enthusiast]

12. I might have to reconsider my non-support of Hillary.

[pnwmom]

13. It is just about impossible to believe that someone in the Obama administration

actually said:

"“The Obamas believe that Warren sees things from the same ideological point of view as they do. She is a committed progressive who, like Obama, wants to transform America into a European-style democratic-socialist state.”

I mean, seriously? Can anyone seriously believe that this story wasn't completely made up?

[Stellar]

15. I wish that it were true...

Even the Enquirer is right twice a year.

[m-lekktor]

16. as much as many would like to believe this, ed klein is batshit insane.

i have read some of his anti- obama stuff for shits (never paid for any of it) and it is deranged teabagger criticism. i think his sole purpose is shit stirring , always citing "anonymous sources".

[Smarmie Doofus]

17. I can't imagine what Obama policies she would want to "undo".

Though there might be some.

I'm sure there's some vestigial "animosity"... whatever that means... but I don't see any policy differences of consequence.

( I wish I DID.)

[Nye Bevan]

46. That to me is the paragraph that makes me the most skeptical.

I'm pretty sure that Hillary would not repeal the ACA. Or terminate any of the free trade agreements that Obama has signed. She might possibly be a little more hawkish on foreign affairs, but I don't think enough to be concerned about "undoing" Obama's policies.

[ReRe]

18. Uhhhh...

No way. Twisted psychological propaganda is what it is. 86 it.

[magical thyme]

20. If only...

boy they really are afraid of Hillary. From the sidebar:


2016 Presidential Election
.
Republicans hoping voters are sick with ‘Hillary fatigue’ by 2016
.

People who want to be president are a little crazy: Hillary
.

Financial skeletons could rattle a Hillary presidential run
.

Americans are ready to elect a fat president: survey

It's almost enough to drive me to support Hillary.

[RedstDem]

21. Warren can energize the left wing of the

"democratic" party.

Doesn't anyone speak English anymore?

[MohRokTah]

22. Don't feel bad. You aren't the only person to fall for this wing nut claptrap

Already another thread up on this bullshit.

[WhiteTara]

24. The Post? Well, until there is another source

I'll with hold judgement.

[cali]

25. Where are you dear flame b.... I mean dear poster?

[RainDog]

26. why don't you delete this right wing propaganda before someone alerts on it?

just a suggestion

[Nye Bevan]

43. It was intended more as a "look what they saying" post

than as a "this is the truth" post. Hence my disclaimer.

Having said that, you are welcome to alert if you like.

[samsingh]

28. i don't believe the enmity between Obama and the Clintons

he didn't have to sit down with Hilary for the 60 Minutes interview.

he didn't have to make her secretary of State.

[Chan790]

60. "he didn't have to make her secretary of State."

Actually, he probably did. Not because she'd have gone 3rd-party or independent...but because she brings a lot of connections, financial-backing and operatives to the political table that would help him in the GE. Also, her and Bill campaigning for him was a boost.

He wasn't going to give her VP...so it had to be a cabinet post of her choosing. A trade of sorts...her active support for an administrative position to position herself for 2016. Nothing wrong with that, it's how the game is played...but let's not pretend that he nominated Hillary Clinton for Sec. of State because he really thought she'd make a good one or because there weren't some hard feelings from an aggressive primary. Not any more than Bill Clinton basically handed a political career to Mario Cuomo's ne'er-do-well son.

Political games.

[Beacool]

84. Minor glitch with your hypothesis.

She didn't want to be SOS and refused him several times. It took a lot of convincing from several people before she accepted the post.

[wyldwolf]

29. Are the 12 (so far) DU recs on this trash for 'wishful thinking?'

[lamp_shade]

31. I would guess..... "yes" n/t

[Beacool]

85. There are now 29 recs, how pathetic..............

[NYC Liberal]

32. NY Post trying to stir up shit as usual.

Obama won't endorse any candidate during the primaries.

[LibertyLover]

33. It's the New York Post

Dead fish from the Fulton Street Fish Market object to being wrapped in it.

[RufusTFirefly]

34. The "author" wrote for Regnery Publishing? Puh-leeeze!

If there is a more notorious right-wing publishing outfit, I can't think of it at the moment. This story is pathetic -- even for the already pathetic New York Post. I'm no fan of HRC, but Regnery, which published books by John Birch Society founder Robert Welch in its early days and ultimately "graduated" to upstanding journalists like Ann Coulter, has been smearing the Clintons for years.

This is just a brazen divide-and-conquer tool.

[ColesCountyDem]

35. The NY Post is one step above the National Enquirer. n/t

[Historic NY]

36. NY Post plants stories...

look for it on FAUX and the dimwits this week....they will report on this story.

[Katashi_itto]

37. Would be nice if it was true. But I can't see a Corporatist do anything except support another.

[winter is coming]

38. I'd be surprised if Obama endorsed anyone before a nominee is selected.

This sounds like someone trying to stir the pot and sell papers.

[TBF]

39. I'd love to see Warren as the candidate but

I find this to be extremely unlikely. Obama has nothing to gain by supporting one candidate over another in the primaries. And I can't imagine him being stupid enough to do so. Once the primaries are over and a candidate is selected (Hillary, Elizabeth or other) then I would expect his full support.

[Renew Deal]

40. An unnamed source

This may be true and Obama's true feelings are usually to the left of his public pronouncements. But I have serious doubts on this one. I can't see how he pulls it off without it looking bad. Besides that, I don't expect Hillary to undo much of anything except for education policy.

[reddread]

41. said this yesterday, its payback time

I wonder how many kinds of popcorn I can try while watching cognitive dissonance wreak its havoc.
Good morning!

[Metric System]

66. You seem to enjoy the idea of Democratic party in-fighting.

[reddread]

71. I would enjoy a democratic process

rather than what we are accustomed to in the increasingly corrupted primary processes.
I do suspect Warren is powerfully supported, and her pre-announcement machinations are
elegant. These things do not happen through luck or merit.
What I will break out a case of Jiffy Pop for, is corporate rule candidate backers working out their
issues among themselves. hope thats ok, although I dont really need your permission, do I?

[Beacool]

86. Too bad for you, this is pure made up crap by Ed Klein.

[reddread]

87. torn between pink and caramel balls

these lying print journalists

http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/hillary-clinton-begins-to-move-away-from-obama-ahead-of-2016-1404691988-lMyQjAxMTA0MDAwNzEwNDcyWj

[Beacool]

88. More RW spin from a RW newspaper.

[reddread]

89. well, thats what big girl pants are for

you expect kinder treatment from real liberals?

[Beacool]

90. Oh, I don't worry about Hillary.

She's used to the sh*t that is flung at her from both directions. She just shakes it off and goes on.

[reddread]

91. I can imagine, but Id rather not

you think thats the sort of embattled leadership that will move us forward, do you?

[Beacool]

92. And do you think that Warren or any other Democrat would be given a break???

Please..........

How many people said in 2008 that Hilary was too polarizing, so they chose Obama? How well has it worked out for him? He wanted to be "transcendental". Right now he's polling ever lower than Bush in 2006. The Right will try to slaughter any Democrat, at least with Hillary we know that she's battle scarred and knows how to deal with them.

[reddread]

93. depends what team youre playing for

intramural sports is not what we need.
power struggles within partisan entities that only wish to claim the chair of committees, or speaking fees?
the American people need to have their say, whether they vote or not, THEIR interests need to be served.
Not the Carlyle Group, not the Wal-Mart/China crowd, and DAMN SURE not the H1B benefactors.
is it really that hard for you?

[CJCRANE]

42. Murdoch trial balloon. nt

[hopemountain]

44. people get paid to write bullshit all the time

perfect example.

[EC]

45. An "exclusive" in the NY Post?

This is just a lie to stir up the party and make us at war with each other like the Republicans.

[TheDebbieDee]

47. Unnamed sources, again? After the 2008 primaries we should be too smart to fall

For these shenanigans. Please tell me that we are too smart to fall for the divide and conquer manuever.

[Jackpine Radical]

48. Hey folks, I think it's legit. I found Klein's source.

[cascadiance]

78. Methinks the corporatists love 3d Chess!...

They like to:

a) split the Democrats more...
b) make the source look funky as it is to have people question the motive behind a Warren candidacy...
c) not want to openly endorse Hillary (who they want to win if a Republican doesn't) and still make her look hated by Republicans and corporate entities, even though behind the scenes they realize her winning wouldn't be the disaster for corporatist control that Warren would be.

http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/07/whats-with-this-obama-is-backing-elizabeth-warren-over-hillary-story/373983/

It's interesting that some are projecting her as a John Edwards and not an Obama (since they don't think Warren can win like Obama, but could change the conversation the way Edwards did in 2008 campaign).

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/elizabeth-warren-wouldnt-be-2016s-obama-but-she-could-be-its-john-edwards/

I think that notion misses that it is likely that the PTB knew they had a means to shut down Edwards, which they pulled right before super Tuesday of that election. It has yet to be shown that they have any similar means to shut down Warren, and therefore one wonders if Edwards was put in the race to draw the more progressive votes down a rathole then. This time around, I suspect they are very worried that they don't have the same sort of control over someone like Warren that they might have had over Edwards, and that she isn't a creature of their making like Edwards could have been then.

[conservaphobe]

50. I don't trust the NY Post, but I hope this is one they got right...

ED KLEIN?

"Democratic-socialist state" ?

What a crock of shit article.

[cantbeserious]

51. The Right-Wing Driving A Wedge In Electoral Politics

eom

[William769]

52. The gullible people buying this.

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Who needs comedy Central?!

[djean111]

59. I have not seen anyone here buy into this, and looks like most of the comments are just scorn from

Hillary fans.
Oh, and I rec'd it because it is so interesting, reading the comments. Not because I buy into it.
Obama as a progressive? hahahahaha!

[William769]

61. If thats what gets you through the day.

[djean111]

63. Well, I have seen posts from Hillary supporters who say they are just having fun collecting

lists of people who rec anti-Hillary threads, so yeah, it is amusing in that way.
Vision of Joe McCarthy waving a piece of paper and whining "I have here a list of DUers who rec'd an anti-Hillary thread!!!!!!".

[William769]

64. Strange, I haven't. Once again, if thats what gets you through the day.

[MineralMan]

53. Poor choice of source, there.

Not at all credible, but I suppose it meets some sorts of criteria. Not impressive.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

70. As much as I would like it to be true - would be absolutely ecstatic if & when Elizabeth does declare - I hafta agree, highly questionable source. . . .

Ed Klein is a snake in the grass who pimps for right-wing news organizations and is not to be trusted on anything.

Of course, Elizabeth's OWN statements, and the brilliant manner in which she is positioning herself and handling the media, concerning a possible run are things upon which we can hang our hats.

[stevenleser]

54. Some of the most pathetic agit-prop I have ever seen. nt

[joeybee12]

55. The National Enquirer is more trustworthy than the NY Post...nt

[Babel_17]

56. Lost in Translation?

What is conceivable is that President Obama might have said if Senator Warren is our nominee, she could count on his enthusiastic support. He wouldn't just be a passive supporter, in other words.

[Autumn]

58. "Warren, in his view, would carry on the Obama legacy after he leaves the White House."

[Turbineguy]

62. Thanks for posting.

We have to know what kind of propaganda we are up against.

[Thinkingabout]

65. The cognitive dissonance may work with some, doesn't work for me. It does make me doubt information

and creates a negative feeling on the one they are trying to promote. I expect this from Rush and company. We can read many stories in the rag grocery store magazines, do I believe them, no, I don't trust but verify.

[eridani]

67. If that were the case, they wouldn't be talking about it n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

68. Ed Klein also said the Kennedys were furious with Obama.

And that the 80-something year old Ethel Kennedy overturned a table in a fit of anger at Obama. He also said Caroline Kennedy called him a liar - and yet:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/world/asia/caroline-kennedy-picked-to-be-ambassador-to-japan.html?_r=0

If Klein told me water was wet, I'd have to question everything I knew about water.

[stevenleser]

75. I hesitate to accuse anyone of completely making stuff up, but...

Klein makes me want to do it for the first time.

[Doctor_J]

69. Murdoch Post should not be allowed in LBN

[bemildred]

72. I make it to be horseshit. nt

[DonCoquixote]

73. I would not trust Murdoch's fishwrap

but of course, this will stir up the Pumas.

[trueblue2007]

74. lies, lies, lies. Of course President Obama will support the DEM nominee!!

[hrmjustin]

76. It is the post so it has no credibility.

[Liberal_Dog]

79. "Make of it what you will"

I make it as a load of horse shit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. I think this ...

“The Obamas believe that Warren sees things from the same ideological point of view as they do. She is a committed progressive who, like Obama, wants to transform America into a European-style democratic-socialist state.”

Is a tell that the anonymous source is clearly not a Democratic Insider/staffer, and more likely is a republican/republican-leaning Belt-way pundit.

[stillwaiting]

81. Would love for it to be true, but it's the NY Post so I'm not holding my breath. nt

[Historic NY]

82. The ditzy blondes at Fox will be asking shortly

[Beacool]

83. Do you realize that you posted an exerpt from Ed Klein's book of fiction?

Is this what now passes for news in a so called Democratic site?

Do you realize that Klein wrote such a pile of dung in 2005 that even conservatives stayed away from him? In that book he claimed that Bill raped Hillary and that Chelsea was the product of that rape. Classy guy, huh?

Wall Street Journal contributor Peggy Noonan, the author of a Hillary book, called Klein's volume "poorly written, poorly thought, poorly sourced and full of the kind of loaded language that is appropriate to a polemic but not an investigative work." New York Post columnist John Podhoretz branded it "one of the most sordid volumes I've ever waded through. Thirty pages into it, I wanted to take a shower. Sixty pages into it, I wanted to be decontaminated."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/10/AR2005071001187.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/06/13/121437/-Ed-Klein-BILL-RAPED-HILLARY-CONCEIVED-CHELSEA#

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/23/even-fox-amp-friends-doesnt-buy-ed-kleins-lates/199842