Dear Hobby Lobby: "It's Not Nice To Mess With Women-You've Made A Big HUGE Mistake"

[kpete]

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[libdem4life]

1. Let us hope this "goes viral". I'll never go there again, even though I seldom have a need.

Is there any organized/recognized entity keeping this alive? I hope so...they deserve to be removed from profitability, if nothing else. All they have is cheap crap from China, as stated above. Cheap...cheap...did I mention cheap. Not to be confused with their prices.

[marble falls]

41. I used to drive 80-90 miles round way to austin to shop there for bolts of fabric, on sale .....

by the time I freight to buying direct form the manufacturer, HB was cheaper. I wasn't a huge account, maybe $2,000 to $3,000 a year. But I haven't spent penny one since last year over their resistance to ACA. And I've let them know why. No more Custom Cotton's tone on tones from them ever again, and nothing else, either. EVER.

[PatrynXX]

43. used to buy there all the time

hell my favourite poster from a book called Fire Sea is in one of their frames. (it's a heavy massive frame) also made in china of course) ahh but there's this store being built within driving distance called Michaels and buying stuff for photography is hard to come by. so I'll have to give them a check. (yes those boxes are made in china and of late the label cards are so cheap nothing is printed on them anymore ) ahem the boxes from Hobby Abortion Lobby. Hobby Lobby unlike me who isn't really pro abortion and most of us aren't really pro abortion. Is very Pro Abortion!!

[RKP5637]

2. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[Frustratedlady]

3. About the only times I've been in HL is for picture frames and Christmas decorations.

Good thing I'm stocked up on both, since I won't enter their doors ever again.

I saw where they have raised the wages. I don't think the regular gals who work in our local store would get more than the fifty cent raise, as I don't think any of them are full-time. Maybe department heads like the framing area. Most of the women look like they could use health insurance.

Just sayin'.

[BrotherIvan]

4. Keep your religion to yourself!

Unless an employers owns his employees, he should have no say in their personal lives. It's the same damn attitude

[woodsprite]

5. My daughter and I are in charge of Vac. Bible School crafts (Presby. Church),

and there is one particular item we are having a devil of a time finding (6mm eva craft foam). Hobby Lobby has it, but I'll be damned if I'm ordering it from them. I'll spend a little more getting a larger quantity of 3mm and just double up.

[Squinch]

13. Write to them and tell them this story. It is especially great that vacation bible schools

are voicing their displeasure, and I imagine it would be particularly chilling for them to hear from you.

So great to read what you have written!

[Always Randy]

18. that is super--you are a very powerful person in this discussion

[grilled onions]

19. Have You Looked On Line?

There is a site called Kwik Crafts and they handle 6 mm craft foam sheets.

[Live and Learn]

6. Especially when the majority of your customers are women.

Really stupid!

[2banon]

7. I never heard of HL until this case

My local chains are Beverly Crafts and Michaels. I think I read that Kock brudders own Michaels, (needs to be verified) I essentially only go shop at local craft shops and only go to Beverly's if small biz's aren't carrying what I'm looking for.

[Hestia]

9. Not the Kock's but Bain Capital, Blackstone Group and Highfields Capital Management

Not quite as bad as HL but right there with them. {sigh}

[2banon]

21. That's right! Now I think I remember.. Bain Capital is/was Mitt Romney's firm, right?

that came up in the 2012 elections I think, if memory serves.. thanks for the reminder!

[Iwillnevergiveup]

44. Same here - never heard of HL

but understand there are 23 in CA where I live, and 2 more planned for the Palm Springs area.

[calimary]

8. Indeed! CAN they be sued for sex discrimination?

That'd be a very good thing.

I'm a crafter. I will NEVER patronize Hobby Lobby. The decision's pretty much made for me already - I don't know of any Hobby Lobby stores in SoCal. If there were, I would avoid them like the plague. There are other places to get craft supplies. You can order them online. Or visit a little local ma-'n'-pa store. Scrapbooking shops, bead stores, and ceramics places (especially those that cater to kids and kids' parties) are good starters. Hell, go to Staples or Office Depot for paper supplies and colored markers/pencils/pens/crayons and stuff. LOTS of other places to find craft supplies. Or Michael's or Joann's if you have 'em.

Hey, one day, for a "Crafty Mom" assignment in one job I had, I was tasked with a grocery store dig: go into the local supermarket and find stuff you can craft with, and then make stuff with 'em. I found, quite literally, a gold mine!!! Glues and pastes, paper - colored construction paper and plain white paper, scissors, notebooks, post-its, rulers (check the school supplies aisle), tape! Multicolor drinking straws! Popsickle sticks! Several different kinds of colored tapes as well as the clear kind. Check the housewares aisle. Shelf linings - there were rolls of it, in different colors and patterns. Plaster of Paris (for sand casting and other stuff). Sheer heaven! Even sewing kits, needles and colored thread. There were food crafting options GALORE! The flower department - pressed flowers and petals! Mosaics - beans, lentils, and peppercorns of every color. Dyes and food colorings, and you could go further - with teas and coffees and vegetables like beets that make great dyes and tintings. Eggs - blow out the insides and you have a fabulous start for crafting. I even took a big bunch of celery and cut off the bottom. Do that and then look closely at the part you just cut off. You now have a "stamp" that makes a VERY nice rose image. There's liquid starch in the detergent aisle, and paper towels, and balloons in the aisle with the cheap kids stuff and party supplies = papier mache! And during all the different holidays, there are party supplies and other silly little goo-gaws that are MEGA-useful.

You don't even need a craft store to do crafting. Craft supplies are EVERYWHERE. Take a nature walk through your neighborhood or a neighborhood where there are pine trees or trees with seed pods that drop. SCORE!!!! Every time I walk the dog, I come back with some little treasure I found. If you're near the beach - MAN!!!! Bonanza-time!

All you need is your eyes open, and your creativity turned up.

[blkmusclmachine]

10. Will Hobby Lobby erect steeples & Crosses on their store tops now???

[HockeyMom]

11. $30,000 for a normal Labor and Delivery

If women cannot get contraceptives, that $30,000 could be every 2 years per employee. That is also not counting any medical problems that mother or the baby might have. Then there is the costs associated with health insurance for each of their children for possibly 26 years, although working for Hobby Lobby for that LONG is farfetched for any female employee.

[goldent]

17. you are right, this is not in their financial best interest

They also cover sterilization which is expensive and about as contraceptive as you can get. This is driven by ideology and not money - they are family owned and don't have to answer to stockholders and are rich enough they can do what they want. This is apparent in other policies such as being closed on Sundays and paying wages above the norm for retail.

[Freddie]

12. The only hobbies we ladies should have are making babies and making dinner

Then if we have a little time left over from serving Lord and Master Husband and waiting on the kids, we might be able to do some artsy things with yarn and stuff so the house is pretty.
Don't think so.

[bdona91078]

14. The Five Justices Refused To Sin

It is not a question of whether one should use contraceptives or not

It is not a question as to what Hobby Lobby chooses to do

The question is whether the religious beliefs of those making the law should
negate the legal rights of those with different beliefs who must follow
their decisions.

The five supreme court justices who came down against contraceptive care in
their decision are all Catholic.
The Catholic faith is against contraceptives.

The five justices would have sinned against their faith if they allowed
contraceptive care.

In the Catholic church this is a mortal sin which could cause the 5 justices
to lose their salvation and possibly be excommunicated.

IF THEY COULD NOT VIOLATE THEIR FAITH WAS IT FAIR FOR THEM TO
MAKE A DECISION THAT IMPACTED PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT FAITHS OR
NO FAITH.

WOULD THESE JUSTICES EVER BE ABLE TO VOTE ON A SUBJECT IF THAT
VOTE WAS CONSIDERED A SIN AGAINST THEIR CHURCH AND FAITH?


THIS IS FROM CATHOLIC ANSWERS
In 1968, Pope Paul VI issued his landmark encyclical letter Humanae Vitae (Latin, "Human Life&quot , which reemphasized the Church’s constant teaching that it is always intrinsically wrong to use contraception to prevent new human beings from coming into existence.

The Church has always maintained the historic Christian teaching that deliberate acts of contraception are always gravely sinful, which means that it is mortally sinful if done with full knowledge and deliberate consent (CCC 1857). This teaching cannot be changed and has been taught by the Church infallibly.

Thus to avoid sinning against their faith they deprived those of other
or no faith of that part of their health care.

In Iran, decisions are made in the same way.
The religious beliefs of those making the decisions guide their actions
and what the people must follow.

So this is where we are.
The United States joins Iran in making laws based on the religious
beliefs of the judges.

Bill Donahue [e-mail]

[TBF]

20. Your last paragraph -

So this is where we are.
The United States joins Iran in making laws based on the religious
beliefs of the judges.

I think this is worth highlighting ... this case is about money, controlling women, and yielding to religion. I think you're spot on with your assessment. Welcome to DU.

[Ilsa]

22. Sharia Catholicism.

They have violated the First Amendment by establishing a religion for everyone to abide by.

No? They didn't include exemptions for antidepressants and other mental health drugs that Scientologists object to.

They didn't include exemptions for Jehovahs Witnesses for blood transfusions.

They didn't exclude Viagra which is used by older men with ED. They don't inquire as to whether the ED is from a prostatectomy which leaves the man sterile, meaning sex would only be recreational.

This is a targeted attack on women of childbearing years.

[HockeyMom]

30. Realized this at 15 years old (1963) in Catholic School

If a female teenager can understand it, adult Non-Catholic/Christian women can't????

[HockeyMom]

33. Better Excommunicate FEMALE Catholic Justice Sotomayor

Isn't it interesting that the female Catholic justice didn't follow HER religion? ONLY the male Catholics did? That speaks volumes.

[AllyCat]

38. I had no idea they were all Catholic.

Sharia Catholicism indeed. The fact that Viagra for men s/p prostatectomy speaks volumes

[King_Klonopin]

39. Yup, Tali-ban American Style.

All of us have "free choice", according to most religious doctrine.

The only scenario in which the Catholic Justices would be guilty
of a sin would be if they choose to use birth control THEMSELVES.
That includes condoms BTW, boys. Remember, every sperm is sacred.

Others have a right to make that decision for themselves, otherwise,
we would be living in a "nanny state" -- a Catholic nanny state, in this
case -- or a theocracy. I don't appraise any of those guys as pious or
religious. There is nothing Christ-like about them, but I do see them as
closet fascists who drool over the prospect of America becoming a
theocracy-corporatocracy. They embody the mindset of dominance, control,
hierarchy and patriarchy. Scalia is a cancer, methodically destroying the
protections of The Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's." right? Even Jesus told us it was
best to keep government and faith separate.

[Delmette]

15. I would love it if the HL female employees all found different jobs.

HL might have a really hard time filling those vacant positions. I can't imagine very many men would step in and take those jobs.

[ZombieHorde]

24. That would be interesting, but difficult.

Jobs aren't plentiful right now. I don't blame anyone for working for HL right now.

[Delmette]

27. I don't either.

I just wish they could all quit and leave
HL high and dry.

[ZombieHorde]

28. That would be fun to see. nt

[MADem]

16. I am rec number sixty eight and I hope this gets HUNDREDS--what a great letter! nt

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

23. Another K&R.

[ZombieHorde]

25. I'm curious if HL profits will increase,

decrease, or stay the same this year. A lot of people hate abortion, and view those contraceptives as abortion.

[DeSwiss]

26. I'm with ya ma'am!

[Cha]

29. Yes you have HobLob.

LOLGOP @LOLGOP
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CORRECTION: Hobby Lobby doesn't want to stop all birth control coverage. Just the most expensive kind and the kind you'd need if raped.
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Thanks kpete

[HockeyMom]

31. Eden Foods (Catholic) DOES

They would be included in the SC decision.

[Cha]

32. Yes, I will never buy another Eden product.

[ctsnowman]

34. K & R

[L0oniX]

35. Dear SCOTUS ...fuck off!

[corkhead]

47. Funny, I thought at first that I saw SCROTUS

[mountain grammy]

36. I can only hope to watch the demise of Hobby Lobby

along with Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts and Kennedy.

[AllyCat]

37. Admittedly, I HAVE shopped at Holy Lobby a few times

Before I realized there was something funny about them and the quality of their stuff was pretty bad. I have since found this wonderful quilting store a few blocks from my house. They can order almost anything I need. And I don't quilt. They offer classes. Maybe I will start.

[Iwillnevergiveup]

46. "Holy Lobby"

DUzy!

[C Moon]

40. Great letter! I believe that "Hobby Lobbyist" did this to hurt ACA...

and to reignite the GOP's idiotic religious base.
Our wonderful SCOTUS took the bait—and I'm certain they were given a nod and wink before-hand.

[wryter2000]

42. Does anyone know if Michael's is okay?

I've never shopped at a Hobby Lobby. We don't even have one around here (although one will open about 20 miles away soon). But I do shop at Michael's.

[PatrynXX]

45. to see if this is about principle or money

if it's principle they'll close their stores and go back to the stone age after nobody shops there

if it's about $$$$$ the money loses from nobody shopping there there will have them so worried they'll be forced to cover it.

lets see what happens..