Ideas for new forums or groups: Hillary Haters Group and Yay Naders

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[el_bryanto]

1. Two groups or one? nt

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2. I guess it would save space combining the two.

[el_bryanto]

4. I don't know - I'm pretty down on Hillary Clinton but I really don't like Ralph Nader either

Hillary Clinton is centrist pro-wall street politician, through and through. I'd rather we got someone more progressive.

That said, if she is the nominee I won't want to hear "there's no difference between the two parties" which was Naders pitch (and which I bought into at the time).

Bryant

[we can do it]

6. I always vote my ideal candidate in primary, then stick with the party in general election.

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3. Or how about penises have it hard, too?

[mylye2222]

5. we dont hate her..

We just disagree with her visions and her behaviour in political realationships...

BTW...why not Kerry haters group here hmmm?? Therefore GD will be less puluted with RW recycled anti Kerry memes..like KerryDidntRespondedSbvtCrap...or KerryIsADLCLover or KerryIsATratorHeConcededIn2004........

[hobbit709]

7. We have enough cheerleading groups.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

8. 'ideas' that completely misunderstand and mislabel

what they pretend to exist.

First, most people who do not want to vote for Hillary do not 'hate' her. That's just libel from 'Yay Hillary' people.

Second, most people are not 'Yay, Nader'. They know he's an ass, they don't just believe it helps that party to scapegoat him for the 2000 debacle. Because that teaches no useful lesson about 2000, nothing useful towards 2014 or 2016.

If you simply pretend a scapegoat is to blame for an electoral loss, you're going to continue to do the same sort of stupid things you did before, and possibly go down to electoral loss again. The only 'use' in scapegoating Nader is to blame the 2000 loss on 'the left', so that you can then establish some sort of baseline for blaming 2014 losses on 'the left', just as 2010 losses were blamed on 'the left'.

The reality is that the secret to dispelling the 'both sides are the same' meme is to offer up liberal candidates who can't possibly be considered 'the same' in any way possible. Not hawkish centrists who turn to Goldman Sachs flunkies to 'fix the economy'.