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Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:08 PM Jul 2014

Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows



Future airliner flight decks may do away with windows and move out of the nose of the aircraft, according to Airbus.

The European airplane maker filed a patent application Dec. 23, published June 26, for a flight deck that relies mostly or entirely on electronic viewscreens.

The first advantage is aerodynamic, since flight deck windows require interrupting the ideal scalpel shape of the nose, Airbus wrote. Also, big windows and the reinforcement required for them add weight to the aircraft.

Putting the flight deck at the front of the cabin takes valuable space away from the cabin, "thereby limiting the financial profits for the airline company exploiting the aircraft," Airbus wrote.

Without the need for windows, the flight deck could move "to an unused zone of the aircraft, and in particular into a zone difficult to configure for receiving passengers or freight," Airbus wrote. One possibility is the base of the tail, where the flight deck could still have some windows. Another is in part of the cargo hold.

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Airbus: Pilots don't really need windows (Original Post) Jesus Malverde Jul 2014 OP
I don't think this will happen. MineralMan Jul 2014 #1
Airbus also has a problem with the tails detaching from the fuselage. Dawson Leery Jul 2014 #2
The cause of one crash, actually. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2014 #15
Suuuure!!! Why not? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #3
They are ahead of you. Jesus Malverde Jul 2014 #8
If they were to put a windshield down there, the front of the cargo hold would be a good place jmowreader Jul 2014 #12
Aircraft don't really need pilots either. Xithras Jul 2014 #4
No thanks. Wouldn't want driver of car when I'm passenger to be in trunk with laptop for seeing. Dawgs Jul 2014 #5
File this under the heading "What Could Go Possibly Wrong?" Auggie Jul 2014 #6
Is it wise to put pilots and controls Politicalboi Jul 2014 #7
I think the pilots will be navigating from an office chair a thousand miles away. n/t IDemo Jul 2014 #9
My name is Mitt Romney. I just acquired this airline and I will be the captain of your voyage-nt Anansi1171 Jul 2014 #27
I would think the redundant systems required to do this would surpass the weight of the windows liberal N proud Jul 2014 #10
I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue! KamaAina Jul 2014 #11
And...in case of instrument failure? Gee, what could possibly go wrong? Hekate Jul 2014 #13
Why do I think of Star Trek's Enterprise bridge, that didn't have a window? Archae Jul 2014 #14
Maybe next century Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #16
I don't know about that. 85 years is a very long time in aviation Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2014 #22
I agree the tech is near or already here. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #23
I want the pilots operating as far forward as possible so in case of an emergency, they will be NCjack Jul 2014 #17
Pilots don't need to be on the plane. CJCRANE Jul 2014 #18
IF GOD HAD WANTED AIRPLANES TO LOOK ANY DIFFERENT HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THEM THE WAY THEY ARE Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #19
Put a luggage rack on the top and more people can ride Cargo Class NightWatcher Jul 2014 #20
Nah, they will just train pilots to fly it like a drone Xyzse Jul 2014 #21
And engineers said they didn't need windows for Project Mercury either edbermac Jul 2014 #24
Airbus = Windows, Boeing = Apple MisterP Jul 2014 #25
Just install the Mitt Romney retractable windshield Blue Owl Jul 2014 #26

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
2. Airbus also has a problem with the tails detaching from the fuselage.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jul 2014

The cause of many crashes.

With that said, Airbus is going to get it from the pilots and safety administrators.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
3. Suuuure!!! Why not?
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:19 PM
Jul 2014

Matter of fact, why don't they just put them down in the cargo hold? They're just dead weight which interferes with the full monetization of the cabin anyway.

jmowreader

(50,552 posts)
12. If they were to put a windshield down there, the front of the cargo hold would be a good place
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jul 2014

It would make the plane easier to handle on the ground. You'd be able to run passenger seating nose to tail. You could put a crew door in the underbelly and a solid wall between the cockpit and passengers, and end hijacking once and for all. It'd be great.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
4. Aircraft don't really need pilots either.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jul 2014

Aircraft are entirely capable of flying without human intervention. We like to have people on the airplane anyway, in case of "emergency".

Same goes for the cockpit window. They serve no practical purpose on modern aircraft, except in an emergency. If there's an electrical failure that takes out those screens, you're going to want a window to look out of! 99.9% of the time they don't matter at all. That 0.1% of the time when they are needed, they are indispensable.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
5. No thanks. Wouldn't want driver of car when I'm passenger to be in trunk with laptop for seeing.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jul 2014

Why would I want that in my airplane?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
7. Is it wise to put pilots and controls
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jul 2014

On something that can shear off of the plane. I guess you're pretty much screwed if you lose the tail in any plane. And since we just had a near miss of a collision at an airport, was that pilot able to see out the window to see the plane on the runway and avoided a crash?

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
10. I would think the redundant systems required to do this would surpass the weight of the windows
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jul 2014

If you are going to fly by wire, just make the planes drones and then it can be all profit.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
13. And...in case of instrument failure? Gee, what could possibly go wrong?
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jul 2014

They'd be flying 100% blind. Nice.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
22. I don't know about that. 85 years is a very long time in aviation
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:52 PM
Jul 2014

Look how far we have come in 100 years.

The pilots hardly do any flying as it is now.

Tetris_Iguana

(501 posts)
23. I agree the tech is near or already here.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jul 2014

It's the people that are the problem.

Several decades of trillions of successful autonomous drones should aid in acceptance of a "blind" cockpit.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
17. I want the pilots operating as far forward as possible so in case of an emergency, they will be
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:32 PM
Jul 2014

the first to arrive on the scene of the crash. But, I think Airbus will give them remote-control laptops and make them buy tickets in economy class.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
18. Pilots don't need to be on the plane.
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jul 2014

They could log in from home or an office, or just let the autopilot do all the work.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
19. IF GOD HAD WANTED AIRPLANES TO LOOK ANY DIFFERENT HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE THEM THE WAY THEY ARE
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

6000 YEARS AGO

WHY DOES EVERYTHING ALWAYS HAVE TO CHANGE?!??!?! AAAAAAAAAAAAAARGRGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
21. Nah, they will just train pilots to fly it like a drone
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jul 2014

Then, they wouldn't have to have a pilot to deal with, nor could someone try to hijack it that way.

The only way to do it then would be to hack in to the system.

-tongue in cheek-

edbermac

(15,937 posts)
24. And engineers said they didn't need windows for Project Mercury either
Tue Jul 8, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jul 2014

The astronauts fought that and I'm sure today's pilots are going to fight this as well

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
25. Airbus = Windows, Boeing = Apple
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:40 AM
Jul 2014

Airbus's design theory is very workaday, and its problems are generally with the software
Boeing is stylish but picks up hardware problems (and its devotees would frankly make Kim Jong-un hurl)

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