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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:38 AM Jul 2014

Jury nullification becoming an issue in pot prosecutions

JOE MOZINGO

Julie Shemitz watched warily as the judge asked prospective jurors whether they or anyone close to them had a card for medical marijuana.

Ten hands lifted, a third of the jury pool.

"Look at all those hands," the judge said.

An assistant U.S. attorney, Shemitz knew that this would be a problem.

The defendant, Noah Kleinman, ran a North Hollywood pot dispensary. Federal prosecutors rarely targeted medical dispensaries these days, but they accused Kleinman of using the shop as a front to sell large quantities of marijuana to other distributors in Los Angeles and to street dealers on the East Coast.

Shemitz felt she had a strong case. Drug Enforcement Administration agents had emails, ledgers, surveillance records and witnesses, including Kleinman's partner, employees, growers and out-of-state buyers.

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Jury nullification becoming an issue in pot prosecutions (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2014 OP
Good. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #1
Prosecutor feels righteous in her decision to ruin this life despite all logic that points to the Ed Suspicious Jul 2014 #9
What an asshole pscot Jul 2014 #18
I think jury nullification was one of the original reasons for a jury. merrily Jul 2014 #2
Fortunately the solution to this problem is very simple. tridim Jul 2014 #3
The problem is, this specific jury did not know about jury nullification. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #4
The other problem is that "Elected" Judges (RW especially) shape the verdict they want by Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #6
Jury nullification is what allowed racist murderers to walk in the Jim Crow south. marble falls Jul 2014 #10
It was also used to nullify enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #11
All white juries allowed that MohRokTah Jul 2014 #16
I wouldn't sit on a jury where someone was being prosecuted for pot... truth2power Jul 2014 #14
Every jury has the power to put the law itself on trial MohRokTah Jul 2014 #17
I would try my best to sit on that jury Bonx Jul 2014 #19
You do have a point, which does constitute jury nullification, as I understand it. n/t truth2power Jul 2014 #20
Here ya go: The Fully Informed Juror Association (FIJA) Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #21
For once, the People have a say Demeter Jul 2014 #5
Good. Sienna86 Jul 2014 #7
So he's Guilty ... Lenomsky Jul 2014 #8
What a disgusting woman that prosecutor is. Truly a worthless human being. nt Romulox Jul 2014 #12
Come on people, we have a prison that's not quite yet filled to capacity! ck4829 Jul 2014 #13
Privatizing prisons is such a good idea, don'tcha know... truth2power Jul 2014 #15
Tom Hartman Takket Jul 2014 #22

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Good.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:18 AM
Jul 2014

The 'war on drugs' has destroyed more lives than the drugs it supposedly combats. If the same amount of resources had instead been poured into rehab and treatment, rather than incarceration and military toyd for swat teams, the country would be a lot better off today.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
9. Prosecutor feels righteous in her decision to ruin this life despite all logic that points to the
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jul 2014

unjust idea behind the ruination.

(snip)

"She didn't relish the outcome — Kleinman was a father of two young children — but she didn't second-guess her work.

"As a prosecutor, the thing we will not stand for is when someone doesn't take responsibility for what he does," she said after the trial concluded. "He's going to get a lot of time, and he should.""
(/snip)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
2. I think jury nullification was one of the original reasons for a jury.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:20 AM
Jul 2014

Juries were also supposed to know the details of what happened, even if it was only gossip they'd picked up in the 'hood; and they were supposed to know as well if the accused was basically a good person or a habitual troublemaker.

Now,all of the above is excluded from the purview of the jury, either because it is kept away from the jury entirely, as was the blood in OJ's car, or because the judge gives the jury instructions.


tridim

(45,358 posts)
3. Fortunately the solution to this problem is very simple.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:22 AM
Jul 2014

Cannabis is hereby legal, just like Spinach.

No more jury nullification needed, and no more lawyers, no more judges, no more crooked cops and no more freaking for-profit prisons.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
4. The problem is, this specific jury did not know about jury nullification.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:29 AM
Jul 2014

They did not understand that no matter what the evidence was, they could still acquit regardless.

What needs to happen is a nationwide jury nullification education program needs to be conducted. Advertisements etc. explaining the power of the jury.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
6. The other problem is that "Elected" Judges (RW especially) shape the verdict they want by
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:47 AM
Jul 2014

not letting in certain evidence that would ordinarily be admissible. There are too many (not all) Judges elected to do a certain thing, and by golly they do it justice be damned!

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
11. It was also used to nullify enforcement of the Fugitive Slave Act.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:54 AM
Jul 2014

If we have a jury system then juries have the ability to nullify, regardless of statutory requirements. The alternative, to have citizens judge solely by government officers, strikes me as much worse and they could just as easily not convict racist murderers.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
14. I wouldn't sit on a jury where someone was being prosecuted for pot...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jul 2014

buy, sell, grow etc. Nada!

This insanity has got to stop.

And you're idea about jury nullification is a good one. Nationwide education program.

Bonx

(2,053 posts)
19. I would try my best to sit on that jury
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jul 2014

I would nod my head at everything the prosecutor said & pretend to be a no-nonsense conservative drug warrior. Right up until I spoiled the verdict with an steadfast 'not guilty'.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
21. Here ya go: The Fully Informed Juror Association (FIJA)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014
http://fija.org/

FIJA works to:
• Inform potential jurors of their traditional, legal authority to refuse to enforce unjust laws
• Inform potential jurors that they cannot be required to check their consciences at the courthouse door
• Inform potential jurors that they cannot be punished for their verdicts
• Inform everyone that juror veto—jury nullification—is a peaceful way to protect human rights against corrupt politicians and government tyranny

That is FIJA’s message.


JUROR’S GUIDE
On the Grand Jury
Juror’s Handbook
Current State Constitutional Authority for Jury Veto
If You Are Called For Jury Duty
If You Are Facing Charges
 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
5. For once, the People have a say
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:38 AM
Jul 2014

and it's about time.

Corruption in high places will not go away by itself. It has to be shown the door by civil disobedience and opposition.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
8. So he's Guilty ...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jul 2014

The jury deliberated for a little over two hours.

Guilty on all counts.

Kleinman looked shocked, face drawn, blinking slowly. He was ordered to return for sentencing Sept. 29.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
15. Privatizing prisons is such a good idea, don'tcha know...
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:24 AM
Jul 2014

Keep those beds filled. Otherwise you're losing money.

Kinda like running a bed & breakfast.

Takket

(21,558 posts)
22. Tom Hartman
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:49 PM
Jul 2014

Tom Hartman just did a whole segment on this very issue and referenced this very thread on his show! "Posted by n2doc on democratic underground dot com".

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