A question the right has to answer from Bill Maher

[liberal N proud]

[randys1]

1. Perfect question, but the answer is the right wants the needy and poor to die...

They dont see the problem as in someone has to help the needy...

They dont care about the needy, yet.

Soon they will be, however.

[ashling]

12. Exactly

They don't want to raise the minimum wage and don't want to give any assistance to the needy.

And their plan for lowering unemployment is for these workers to die so someone else can do the work.

NOT

[randys1]

13. Not sarcasm at all, it is why they want to eliminate all social programs

THey believe they are the strong and we are all the weak, what they dont understand is they cheated, and when push comes to shove there is way more of us than there is of them.

[TNNurse]

15. WHO????

Will clean their houses, cook their food, make their cars, pave the roads, keep the electricity on, pick up the garbage, work in the stores...... they have not thought this through very well.

[Ferretherder]

32. Ding! Ding! Ding! Congratulations!

YOU are today's winner of the internet! Feel free to has cheeseburger!

In all seriousness, you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. But this shit never occurs to these vacuous, self-absorbed assholes, because they think unrestrained capitalism is the answer to literally EVERYTHING. 'What do we do with all of the poor people?' - unrestrained capitalism will make them all disappear!...there, problem solved.

...next question?

[n2doc]

2. Their 'answer'- The Poor are lazy bums

They could just work harder and quit 'taking' from us. They should be more like those glorious 'job creators'. USA USA USA!

[BobbyBoring]

25. And the people that say that shit are like.....

The KOCHS who inherited a bundle and other members of the lucky sperm club.

[Cosmocat]

35. No they aren't

This bullshit, somehow, speaks to a large swath of the people of this country.

MANY people who I know from the gym, my very much middle, maybe a tick below middle, income neighborhood, etc.

It isn't as simple as people who have a lot of money think like this.

This taps into a sense of victimhood and self pity that is pervasive with a LOT of people living day to day.

"Gee, I work so hard and am just barely making it while there are all these millions and millions of other people who do absolutely nothing and live off welfare."

A STUNNING amount of people believe this shit.

[antigop]

3. no, the lady behind the counter needs to get an education to get a better job

[cer7711]

17. Sarcasm Noted

I saw what you did there! Point taken.

The thing is, based upon the stories from adjunct professors posting here on DU, many of them seem to be earning less in pay and benefits than the "lady behind the counter" at the local fast-food vomitorium.

Revolution is coming . . .

[antigop]

18. I know firsthand about adjuncts...family members in education.

The system is broken.

[Ferretherder]

34. What I want to know is...

...who the hell IS going to do the 'shitty' jobs if everybody gets a better education and gets a better job? HUH? WHO?

That's right, the 'shitty' job STILL needs to be done, and SOMEBODY has to do it. Do we just guarantee that there will always be 'shitty' jobs by NOT paying what a job is worth? In other words, there is always going to be the need for the people the 'supervisor' tells what to do...ALL supervisors and NO laborers doesn't really work out so well.

(By the way, antigop, this is not directed at YOU...your sarcasm is duly noted!)

[Cosmocat]

36. Careful now

we can't have simple common sense interjected into it.

This America, and EVERYONE can lift themselves up by their bootstrap and be a millionare.

And, fuck those who don't.

[antigop]

38. A very good question... the flip side of that is...

Not everyone can become a doctor, lawyer, manager, etc. If everyone could go into those fields, those fields would have a surplus of people and the salaries for those fields would go down -- the people in those fields would be a dime a dozen.

[Ferretherder]

39. Hold on there, Tex! That DOCTOR thing,... I don't know...

...but, everybody COULD be a doctor, and there not be a surplus....it's called 'specialization'! Just think...

Doctor No.1 - Say, Doctor Jim, I've got this problem with some bad sores on my foot.

Doctor No.2 - Why, sure, Doctor Tom, after all, I am a foot Doctor.

Doctor No.1 - Sweet! Can you take a look at it and give me an opinion? Here, let me take off my shoe.

Doctor No.2 - Oh, fiddlesticks! I see you're taking off your right shoe...I'm sorry, I'm a LEFT foot Doctor!

...gotta' think outside the box.

[littlemissmartypants]

4. We rise.

And when they see how many we are they won't know what hit them.

Bill: I like the way you think.

Thanks for your post liberal N proud.

Love, Peace and Shelter. littlemissmartypants

[Augiedog]

5. But

They think they are entitled to food and stuff. Don't they have prisons for these people? Next they'll think they get water and breathable air for free! When people like Mit(less) Romney think this way, then yes, the revolution may not be that far in the future.

[deafskeptic]

24. i know you're being sartastic but this sounds just like Scrooge.

I think Scrooge said something similar.

[Augiedog]

33. Yes

Scrooge did say that and I am quoting him without proper citation, but I am also quoting Romney when he said during his 47% speech that was secretly recorded! that people think, among other things! that they are entitled to food. I personally found that to be one of the most craven, evil things I have heard anyone, let alone a presidential candidate, say. The concept of entitled privilege amongst these depraved wealthy people is stunning.

[deafskeptic]

40. If I could, I'd K & Ryour answer to me. n/t

[samsingh]

6. kick

[Octoberfurst]

7. I brought this up to a conservative co-worker

and he gave me the same pat answer that they all give: "We don't need to raise the minimum wage. That will destroy jobs. If people don't like living on the minimum wage they need to just get a better job." Yep it's just that simple in wingnut land. You don't like living on $7.25 an hour? Well just go get a job that pays $20 an hour! Problem solved!
You see, in wingnut land people stay at these low-wage jobs because they are just too lazy to go out and get a "real" job. Plus they get these "benefits" for being poor--you know food stamps, subsidized housing, etc. (They're leeches in other words.) Yes indeed if you are barely able to pay the rent and put food on the table it's your own damn fault according to the wingnuts. You should have gone to Harvard and become a doctor! (Reality is not part of a conservative's mindset.)

[sammythecat]

29. I just don't get the "logic" of their position

People making minimum wage pay rent, buy cheap food, and almost nothing else. They don't go to the dentist, they wear the same clothes year after year, they don't go to restaurants, they don't go shopping. A meaningful increase to $15/hr. would change all that. They'd have disposable income. They'll buy stuff. Of course there'd be a corresponding increase in other wages too, resulting in even more spending. More spending equals more sales the way I see it.

In Bhutan they have an index called the GNH, and it measures their gross national happiness. If we had such a thing here, a significant boost in wages would almost have to lead to an increase in the GNH. Happier workers, far fewer stressed out people and families, less depression and less crime. I don't know what the percentages would be, buy they'd be measurable and that makes it worthwhile.

Oh, and hey, welcome to DU!

[Cosmocat]

37. Right

there really is no trying to convince them otherwise.

Had the conversation enough to have given up ...

[Rozlee]

8. Naw, she doesn't need enough to live on.

She and her brood of offspring that she had because of her irresponsibility and immorality can live under a bridge. And when the bridge crumbles and buries them under tons of debris because conservatives don't put any money into infrastructure, well, it was because of ________(insert your conspiracy theory du jour).

[liberal N proud]

9. Filling in the blank... she was trespassing

If she was living under the crumbling bridge that republicans refuse to fix, they will just say she was trespassing.

[rickyhall]

10. Actually, they do want both, less handouts and no minimum wage.

But they're all for handouts to rich bastards, part of which ends up in their pockets.

[aikoaiko]

11. RW would disagree with the premise that "Uncle Sam has to [pay for handouts]

[jimlup]

14. In a nutshell that is the question...

However the answer many RW's would give is: Who the hell cares. Let them starve.

The RW is less moral than we assume and we need to remember that when confronting them. (Meaning we point out the moral difference between us. Not that we concede the moral point.)

[nomorenomore08]

20. No shit they're not "moral." I tend to see many of them as more reptile than mammal. n/t

[jimlup]

22. Yeah I guess I've suffered from years of naivety in this regard

For years I assumed that if I made the moral argument they would recognize it. With the internet I now have interacted with enough of them to recognize that this isn't true.

[nomorenomore08]

23. No matter what, they're always "better," they always deserve more than others do.

And anyone who calls them on it gets the "I thought liberals were supposed to be tolerant!" routine.

[BillZBubb]

28. We are very tolerant--of everything but idiocy.

republicans need to learn that lesson.

[Uncle Joe]

16. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, liberal N proud.

[IkeRepublican]

19. The Right never has any answers

Just obnoxious big mouthing to avoid the topic, which they refer to as "telling it like it is".

[SummerSnow]

27. Their answer is Benghazi

[DeSwiss]

21. Not only do they want both......

...that is EXACTLY what these dumb mofo's are demanding.

- Bill should know this. These people are his ''friends.''

K&R

[SummerSnow]

26. Rethug response...you're a socialist and um Benghazi.

[JDPriestly]

30. K&R.

When I think about families trying to live on minimum wage (even with two adults working), I ask myself whether the guys who decided to pay that wage that low can count.

An economy is a series of exchanges. When many, many people do not earn enough to participate in the series of exchanges, the economy comes to a halt.

I don't care how high the stock market goes. The rich can't just buy and sell stocks to each other and leave the little guys out for very long.

The economy is a series of exchanges.

[Lobo27]

31. I've always felt that if the minimum wage was raised.

More jobs would be created by the simple fact that people would have more money to spend. There would be more demand, which would lead to companies hiring more people. But know companies they would probably hire no one and the reason would be they can afford to pay more employees.