Article on study re: why people assiduously oppose birth control related to HL decision

[Skidmore]

This makes sense to me after having grown up in a fundamentalist church. This really makes sense.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/07/09/3458058/new-study-hobby-lobby-birth-control/

New Study Helps Explain Why Hobby Lobby Supporters Are So Fiercely Opposed To Birth Control


Throughout the ongoing debate over Obamacare’s contraceptive coverage requirement, a common theme has emerged among many of Hobby Lobby’s supporters: the idea that ensuring access to affordable birth control is harmful to society because it leads to promiscuity and infidelity. Several right-wing groups filed amicus briefs in favor of the crafts chain arguing that women simply shouldn’t be having consequence-free sex. But where exactly does this idea come from? One research paper offers a theory.

According to new research published in Archives of Sexual Behavior, the attitude that women shouldn’t be having sex can at least partly be traced back to the idea that women are supposed to be economically dependent on men. The researchers suggest that this link may drive conservative religious communities’ insistence on sexual purity.

After surveying Americans about their attitudes toward promiscuity — asking them whether they agreed with statements like “It is fine for a woman to have sex with a man she has just met, if they both want to” — the researchers also asked them whether they believed women tend to rely on income from their male partner. They found that the people who believe that casual sex is wrong also tend to believe that women need a partner to support them financially. Within that worldview, sex outside of a serious monogamous relationship is simply too risky. If women don’t have “paternity certainty,” then how will they know who they need to rely on to support them and their future child?


more..

[sendero]

1. People are afraid..

... someone else is having the good time they don't have the guts or ability to have.

[Skidmore]

3. A fundamentalist world is a man's world.

Controlling the womenfolk is a central part of theology where gender roles are concerned. Part of controlling is exerting financial power and that means keeping women financially dependent. Procreation is also considered the primary purpose for sexual relations, and within marriage. Nothing is ever as simple as having a "good time," which is a rather flip response.

I grew up in a fundamentalist church and there were people in the congregation who managed to have their good times, often considered to be a temporary moral shortcircuiting, who time and time again returned because the congregation considered that "God forgave" that person after the individual engaged in a requisite tear-fraught confession in front of the church. Think Jimmy Swaggart. These people would return to whatever status they had in the congregation and to their spouses. Lapses by male congregants were invariably treated differently than those by females. Most women in the congregation were housewives. Those who worked outside of the home tended to sign over responsibility for the household finances to the husband. We are not talking about relationships between equals. It is hard to leave when you have no money, regardless of whether you must deal with infidelity and/or abuse.

[sendero]

4. I'm sure that is an element...

... but I honestly believe that these attitudes stem from deep-seated hangups about sexual activity itself. These people are repressed and cannot stand that there are people who are not. They feel the best remedy is nature's, i.e. that the "cost" of having sex is bearing children. Contraceptives and abortion mess up their sandbox.

[Skidmore]

5. The idea that the cost of sex is having children springs from

the theology--bearing children is at once a punishment for women for Eve's role in the original sin and the purpose for the marital relationship. Very puritanical, yes. However, it springs from being taught this as a part of religion so these attitudes are less a personal idiosyncracy than a way of life that is firmly entrenched in doctrine.

[sendero]

6. Sure it is..

.... but decades of careful observation have taught me that the lessons of theology are absorbed very selectively, with some given great weight when their importance in the actual words of the Bible is minimal, and towering admonishment contained on every 10th page of the Bible ignored.

So, while there is a religious component to this, religion, especially here and now, is a convenient excuse for people to do and think what they want. IMHO of course.

[Dawson Leery]

9. +1,000,000

This doctrine has been taught for thousands of years. It will be extremely difficult to change the minds of those who believe such.

[Squinch]

2. There is a real and large group of Americans who believe women should be subject to men.

Economics is just the most expedient way to achieve it.

Going back further to look at WHY they think women should be subject to men, I think that those who want to make women an underclass want this both because it makes them feel important to have people subject to them, but also because they fear feeling emasculated because women might best them in public fora like the workplace.

It all comes down to entitlement.

[Arkansas Granny]

7. That line of reasoning is why Jimmy Carter left the Southern Baptist church.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95311

Former President Carter, a longtime Sunday school teacher, is walking away from the Southern Baptists because of the church’s stance on equality for women.

In an interview with the Atlanta Journal-Constitution published today, Carter says Southern Baptist leaders reading the Bible out of context led to the adoption of increasingly “rigid” views.

“I’m familiar with the verses they have quoted about wives being subjugated to their husbands,” he told the paper. “In my opinion, this is a distortion of the meaning of Scripture. … I personally feel the Bible says all people are equal in the eyes of God. I personally feel that women should play an absolutely equal role in service of Christ in the church.”

Southern Baptists are the United States’ largest Protestant denomination, with 15.9 million members.

In June, the group’s leaders voted at its national convention that women should no longer serve as pastors. They also voted to condemn racism, homosexuality, abortion, pornography and adultery.

Although the statement of faith regarding pastors was not binding on congregations, some Baptists warned that some churches would quit the denomination. Some congregations did quit two years ago when the Southern Baptists declared that wives should “submit graciously” to their husbands.

[Squinch]

8. I always liked that man. I loved it when he came out and said this.

[sheshe2]

10. KnR

So sorry, only just saw this now. I was planning to post it and when I did a search I found your OP.

Telling results in that study.

Thanks Skidmore.

[Starry Messenger]

11. I think it boils down to the dominionist ideology that has crept into the rw

The believe the only legitimate form of government is the male-led nuclear family.

Anything that threatens that idea, they go after, in a fear that breaking down this unit will lead to greater dependence on the state, ie. Communism and will lead to a total societal breakdown full of government "takers", which will destroy the American way of life, abandon God and do away with the hawesome free market.


This link sums it up pretty well:

https://nelsnewday.wordpress.com/tag/gary-north/

<snip>

This religious group believes that socialism erases religion because it demands loyalty only to the government.

<snip>

The cult of masculinity gains power by taking control of women’s bodies, making them subservient to men by refusing them birth control and their right to vote. In a macho culture, men need someone to blame and find this within their church. Masculinity, accompanied by violence, appeals to those who feel powerless, mostly white and poor. Their Christian leaders tell them they have the right to strike out at those who seek to destroy them, led by an angry, violent Messiah into a perpetual global war with the “secular humanist” state.

<snip>

The far-right religious take-over of the government has been carefully orchestrated for almost a half century, led by Paul Weyrich. Dismayed by Barry Goldwater’s defeat in 1964, he founded the Heritage Foundation in 1973 and the Free Congress Foundation in 1977. He worked with Jerry Falwell in 1979 to create the political movement “Moral Majority” that elected Ronald Reagan president. Weyrich is also an important part of American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the organization of corporations that writes conservative, restrictive bills for legislators to present as their own.

<snip>

Reconstructionism is opposed to organized labor, public employees, welfare, and inflation while supporting the gold standard. Like the Taliban, the group’s theology also supports execution through stoning of LGBT people, blasphemers, heretics, apostate Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of “unchastity before marriage,” “incorrigible” juvenile delinquents, and adulterers.North supports stoning for execution because it is “cheap, plentiful, and convenient.”

<snip>

Following the cult of controlling women, Cruz again claimed that taking hormonal birth control is like having mini-abortions.

<snip>