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A tip of the hat to DU's The Magistrate. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 OP
Absolutely right! CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2014 #1
Very polite to boot madokie Jul 2014 #2
Thug tactics against people who post Salon.com, Counterpunch, The Nation, DN!, BBC articles cprise Jul 2014 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jul 2014 #58
I Do Not Know Where Some Get That Idea, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #69
I stand corrected. Ken Burch Jul 2014 #77
No Trouble, My Friend The Magistrate Jul 2014 #79
I always love reading your posts and have only one small complaint Samantha Jul 2014 #131
The audacity of having to read George Orwell! Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #81
Lol! Thanks for reminding me. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #82
A Link For You, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #84
And having 10 screenfuls of it repeated at the start of every thread. cprise Jul 2014 #90
That is The Best You Can Find, Sir? The Magistrate Jul 2014 #91
Yet Obama didn't vote for IWR and was elected President cprise Jul 2014 #92
The Illinois Legislature, Sir, Had No Say In The Matter The Magistrate Jul 2014 #94
and he attacked Hillary Clinton in 2008 for supporting it. cprise Jul 2014 #96
Indeed He Did, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #97
That's nice, but this is war we're talking about cprise Jul 2014 #99
Are We, Sir? It Seemed To Me You Were Complaining About Impurity.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #100
Drawing the line at warmongering is not a purity test. Sorry. cprise Jul 2014 #103
Now, Sir, You re Just Making Things Up, If You Are Seriously Calling Me A War-Monger The Magistrate Jul 2014 #105
So we should base political decisions on fascist principles? cprise Jul 2014 #111
Only, Sir, If You Believe Political Reality Has An Inherent Fascist Bias.... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #113
It does only if politicos give up on the public's acceptance of facts. cprise Jul 2014 #116
I Appreciate Your Kicking The Thread, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #118
I'm getting the idea xfundy Jul 2014 #142
Yet more irony. cprise Jul 2014 #147
... Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2014 #109
Not a bad quote -- from an old gun-toter. Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #159
Bush was invading without AUMF. joshcryer Jul 2014 #162
There is a difference between impolite and polite ... Igel Jul 2014 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author KoKo Jul 2014 #133
Polite to a fault--but with an incisive intelligence and a sharp bite! pinboy3niner Jul 2014 #3
Yes, and absolutely devastating when it comes to puncturing gasbags Warpy Jul 2014 #4
Indubitably. snagglepuss Jul 2014 #5
Hear Hear~Bravo Sir! sheshe2 Jul 2014 #6
Agreed... ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #7
He's also one of the more skilled model builders I've ever sen... Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #8
does he do the ships in the bottles? Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #18
I think so... Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #24
OK, Maybe that was someone else ... I remember now a picture thread Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #41
Ah, but he refuses to build Roald Dahl's Gloster Gladiator Brother Buzz Jul 2014 #23
Thank You, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #66
good to see you my friend. we should get together. mopinko Jul 2014 #151
Another 'Meet Up' Gathering Here Might Be Nice, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #153
i did my first taxidermy project mopinko Jul 2014 #166
hear, hear! bigtree Jul 2014 #9
Indubitable, sir. immoderate Jul 2014 #10
Glad to join in with my tip of the hat. CTyankee Jul 2014 #11
One of DU's best Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #12
Yes, one of DU's greatest. Coventina Jul 2014 #13
Totally agree! MoonRiver Jul 2014 #14
I agree. H2O Man Jul 2014 #15
Always a delight when they contribute to a thread! n2doc Jul 2014 #16
I have a great deal of respect for The Magistate lunatica Jul 2014 #17
Allow me to add my appreciation also as I too enjoy your posts. n/t justhanginon Jul 2014 #19
I find his wit refreshing and his commentary incisive.... Rowdyboy Jul 2014 #20
He is One of a Kind, The Magistrate. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #21
I'll gladly rec this kcr Jul 2014 #22
Indeed. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #25
You are right, sir! bravenak Jul 2014 #26
Indeed! riqster Jul 2014 #27
OH Absolutely Positively Unquestionably, sir! calimary Jul 2014 #28
I'll drink to The Magistrate! greatauntoftriplets Jul 2014 #29
Haven't had the pleasure, Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2014 #44
I Remember, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #70
It was warm out! greatauntoftriplets Jul 2014 #72
No Fool Like An Old Fool: Put This In The Wrong Place The Magistrate Jul 2014 #74
Most definitely - credit where it's due! Glorfindel Jul 2014 #30
Good idea. I like that guy! Squinch Jul 2014 #31
Totally agree! Spazito Jul 2014 #32
I usually stay off tribute threads Tom Rinaldo Jul 2014 #33
Thank You, Mr. Rinaldo The Magistrate Jul 2014 #119
Totally agree Sir. Lochloosa Jul 2014 #34
An appreciation thread I can happily endorse... SidDithers Jul 2014 #35
Hear, hear! With a Pimm's Cup to toast. DinahMoeHum Jul 2014 #36
I'll rec that! Bobbie Jo Jul 2014 #37
I agree Sir! tenderfoot Jul 2014 #38
A BIG K&R! William769 Jul 2014 #39
Agreed... K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #40
K&R sir N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2014 #42
Uh-oh. What has he done? leftstreet Jul 2014 #43
I Remember a Thread the Magistrate Started on Kosovo On the Road Jul 2014 #45
Happy To have That Remembered, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #67
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2014 #46
SIR! I most wholeheartedly concur, SIR! rocktivity Jul 2014 #47
What? The Magistrate is dead? When did this happen? randome Jul 2014 #48
He has been so since 2001 Jack Rabbit Jul 2014 #49
Must Appreciated, My Old Friend The Magistrate Jul 2014 #68
!! Jack Rabbit Jul 2014 #98
WWTMP? MohRokTah Jul 2014 #50
*tips my hat also* steve2470 Jul 2014 #51
A gentleman and a scholar who has proven that one can debate in a civilized manner. LongTomH Jul 2014 #52
K & R sinkingfeeling Jul 2014 #53
Intelligent, knowledgeable, and gracious Skidmore Jul 2014 #54
I'll add a formal bow to The Magistrate, Sir. One of my favorite DUers. Hekate Jul 2014 #55
Thank You, Mr. Carcetti The Magistrate Jul 2014 #57
The pleasure is all mine. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2014 #59
I'll second that. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #60
And That, Sir Or Ma'am, Is A Fact. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2014 #61
Love The Magistrate! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #62
he's one of the good eggs PeaceNikki Jul 2014 #63
He is a great DUer. nt sufrommich Jul 2014 #64
Highest respect for The Magistrate! nt cry baby Jul 2014 #65
Proud to be the 101st Rec! freshwest Jul 2014 #71
K&R mcar Jul 2014 #73
I Appreciate Your Kind Words Very Much, My Friends The Magistrate Jul 2014 #75
More Meta Wanking Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #76
True, never broken character once. Rex Jul 2014 #78
Yes Sir!! malaise Jul 2014 #80
K&R for The Magistrate! Sissyk Jul 2014 #83
I'd like to hijack this for just one post 90-percent Jul 2014 #85
Be My Guest, Sir: I Think He Is An Excellent Fellow The Magistrate Jul 2014 #88
you read my mind. nt navarth Jul 2014 #120
A gentleman of the old school, and one of the few here whose posts I always read. ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #87
Yes indeed Still Sensible Jul 2014 #89
x1000 mac56 Jul 2014 #93
I dig him blogslut Jul 2014 #95
I heartily agree, sir. KurtNYC Jul 2014 #101
The Magistrate has been a dear and valued friend since my earliest days here. scarletwoman Jul 2014 #102
Thank You Very Much, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #114
... scarletwoman Jul 2014 #115
Yes, he deserves it Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #104
i think he is funny JI7 Jul 2014 #106
I find the sir and ma'am routine to be annoying and condescending. Threedifferentones Jul 2014 #107
Heck to the yes sir lovemydog Jul 2014 #108
I agree! DoBotherMe Jul 2014 #110
he brings to DU... Enrique Jul 2014 #112
A tip of the hat to the good sir IronLionZion Jul 2014 #117
Absolutely WilliamPitt Jul 2014 #121
Thank You Very Much, Mr. Pitt The Magistrate Jul 2014 #125
A question Sir something I've wondered if you will azurnoir Jul 2014 #140
Someone In The Lounge, Ma'am, Once Described 'Deadwood' Dialogue As 'Magistrate With Tourettes'..... The Magistrate Jul 2014 #141
Lol I'm trying to imagine that azurnoir Jul 2014 #144
That It Can, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #154
Kick! M can be reasoned with! grahamhgreen Jul 2014 #122
Are you Serious? "The Magistrate" has been Threatened and Needs Our Support? KoKo Jul 2014 #123
Will always make a point of reading any Magistrate Surya Gayatri Jul 2014 #124
at first I did not take to him Billy Budd Jul 2014 #126
I think the Magistrate is a big part of what makes DU wonderful! nt MADem Jul 2014 #127
I concur. flying rabbit Jul 2014 #128
I'll say… MrMickeysMom Jul 2014 #129
K & R Liberal_Dog Jul 2014 #130
there's nothing about The Magistrate I dislike tishaLA Jul 2014 #132
My most-respected poster, hands down. Barack_America Jul 2014 #134
Stand Gentlemen Lithos Jul 2014 #135
Good To See You Here, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #139
My pleasure Lithos Jul 2014 #155
I Expect It Will Only Get Worse, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #163
You remind me of my Dad, sir. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #136
When world leaders meet, he's never invited - his attendance is assumed. maced666 Jul 2014 #137
I do so enjoy THe Magistrate. Ellipsis Jul 2014 #138
In my view...... DeSwiss Jul 2014 #143
Now, this is one tipping of the hat thread I can agree with! Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #145
Thank You Very Much, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #149
Oh hell yeah! BumRushDaShow Jul 2014 #146
Appreciate The Magistrate posts! Sunlei Jul 2014 #148
Way to go The Magistrate! egduj Jul 2014 #150
Undoubtedly. The Green Manalishi Jul 2014 #152
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #156
Idiosyncratic Use Of Language Fascinates Me, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2014 #158
Well, when you gather your disciples to get a comment nyabingi Jul 2014 #160
You Mean A Jury Hid One of Your Posts, Sir? The Magistrate Jul 2014 #161
Copy that! Populist_Prole Jul 2014 #157
Here! Here! burrowowl Jul 2014 #164
Again, My Thanks To All Who Replied Here The Magistrate Jul 2014 #165

cprise

(8,445 posts)
56. Thug tactics against people who post Salon.com, Counterpunch, The Nation, DN!, BBC articles
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:55 PM
Jul 2014

by using SPAM to drown out the comments are pretty impolite and unbecoming a supposed intellectual.

Those, along with Huffpo and Alternet, are representative of sites that have taken a critical view of the pro-NATO/anti-Russian narrative circulating in the US mass media.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697273#post4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697276#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697285#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697261#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697264

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697262#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697271#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697278#post1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101697270#post1

He apparently regards diverse, respected authors from these sites as "propaganda drivel" outlets because they tend to question the Washington consensus. Even if an infamous person is quoted with qualification of general disagreement, this is something DUers do constantly to point out that even opponents are forced to acknowledge facts on occasion.

Response to cprise (Reply #56)

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
69. I Do Not Know Where Some Get That Idea, Sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:35 PM
Jul 2014

But there are several people, including a pair of budding teen-aged grandsons, who would be surprised to learn that of the bearded old thing that shags them in to do the dishes....

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
131. I always love reading your posts and have only one small complaint
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:10 PM
Jul 2014

There just are not enough of them.

Sam

cprise

(8,445 posts)
90. And having 10 screenfuls of it repeated at the start of every thread.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jul 2014

Using Orwell himself to drown out discussion then pontificate about "democracy" is itself Orwellian, esp. from a poster who defended voting for the Iraq War Resolution as a political necessity.

It puts this Magistrate quote in an interesting light:

Orwell dissects quite cogently some long-standing attitudes of the left in the West, attitudes which go a long way towards explaining why left parties remain so impotent in our polity. In a democracy, bearing the 'anti-patriot' label is a heavy disadvantage, and to shoulder it voluntarily, and boast of it shrilly, and rub it in at every opportunity, is simply madness --- if one wants to actually gain mass following for one's social and economic goals....

Remember the media RW refrain about "Blame America First liberals" during the runup to the Iraq War? I do. This is a patently neocon talking point.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
91. That is The Best You Can Find, Sir?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jul 2014

This?

"Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that the proposed resolution had been rejected by all Democrats in the Senate plus Jeffords. Do you really thnk this would have halted the thing? The preparations, the deployments, all would have gone on on the same schedule. The '02 election would have been fought on the slogan "Voting for a Democrat is voting for Saddam!" The losses in the Senate would have been far worse than they actually were, and the first business of the new Congress would have been the triumphant passage of the enabling reolution. The invasion would have taken place on the same day planned for the previous autumn; there would not even have been a delay. We both know this would have been the outcome."

That is flat accurate analysis of what anyone with the sense to come in out of the rain knows would have happened. It certainly does not reflect support for invading Iraq; you would not be able to find any expression of support for that by me. But that resolution was a political trap, and was intended to be a political trap, and as with any well constructed trap, there really were no good moves for people caught in it.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
92. Yet Obama didn't vote for IWR and was elected President
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:50 PM
Jul 2014

His only "political reality" was accepting the invasion after the fact and supporting a surge.

So that's what the grand Magistrate analytic prowess boils down to... Justifying the political psychosis of the Iraq War for the sake of "political reality". And yes, the Bush admin's "proofs" of WMD were known to be fakes before the invasion.

I'm not impressed.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
94. The Illinois Legislature, Sir, Had No Say In The Matter
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:58 PM
Jul 2014

So of course he did not vote for it....

And you are, as you have done before, merely making the point I pressed in what you cited above:

"A lot of the problem stems from how long the left has been effectively barred from power and influence on political life here. This means leftist commentators and true believers come to live in a world where they no what they say will never have any real effect and this inculcates an attitude in which irresponsibility, and not only a lack of concern with possible consequence, will flourish. An illustration of this is the strident defense of Nader in 2000 one can still see from leftists of the 'purer than thou' variety --- in this case, their 'not a dime's worth of difference' line, and a few tens of thousands actually acting on it, had the great and grave consequence of putting the reactionary right into power. So unconcerned have such people become with the possible consequences of their positions that they deny this, the one real consequence their views have had for a long time, ever actually occurred...."

Your only concern is whether an act or expression tallies with a pure ideological view, regardless of what the practical consequences might be, and which people in any position of responsibility would, if they acted as you would insist, would have to face, in spheres ranging from actual policy to their careers. That the pure ideological view you insist on is one that is not usually widely popular, and can in a pinch be made very unpopular by a skilled politician, is just icing on the cake.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
96. and he attacked Hillary Clinton in 2008 for supporting it.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jul 2014

Obama came out against the IWR when it was up for vote, even if he wasn't voting on it. That issue was on everyone's mind at that time and Obama had a political career to worry about.


The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
97. Indeed He Did, Sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:12 PM
Jul 2014

And doubtless it impressed a number of people who do not think very deeply about national and political events. There was so little real difference between Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton, in terms of positions and likely policies when elected, that it was necessary in the primary campaign to resort to half-truths and insinuendoes to whip up the spirits of the partisan crowds. If recollection serves, Sen. Obama denounced including an employer mandate in a health insurance reform program, as Sen. Clinton had proposed....

cprise

(8,445 posts)
99. That's nice, but this is war we're talking about
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jul 2014

The justifications do not add up, morally or politically. They could have spoken up about Bush's fabrications.

Supporters of the IWR vote are culpable for the ruin this and other countries have experienced since.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
100. Are We, Sir? It Seemed To Me You Were Complaining About Impurity....
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:23 PM
Jul 2014

About the posting of an essay by Orwell in response to someone, someone now suspended yet again, for spamming the board with pro-Kremlin swill, and whether that was thuggery, and heavens knows what else.

A casual observer might easily leap to the conclusion you do not like me very much....

cprise

(8,445 posts)
103. Drawing the line at warmongering is not a purity test. Sorry.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:34 PM
Jul 2014

OTOH, you do like to accuse DUers of being 'insufficiently patriotic'.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
105. Now, Sir, You re Just Making Things Up, If You Are Seriously Calling Me A War-Monger
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jul 2014

I have pointed out before, and doubtless will again, that in a democracy, for a political party or tendency to gain the name of 'anti-patriot' is a heavy burden, since most people do, without thinking about it much, love their country, and will not feel much fellowship with someone who they believe does not share that feeling.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
111. So we should base political decisions on fascist principles?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:51 PM
Jul 2014

Trivializing appeals to facts, and counting on reactions to "feelings"?

What lovely political 'realism'.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
116. It does only if politicos give up on the public's acceptance of facts.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:10 PM
Jul 2014

Then they must govern through irrationality.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
118. I Appreciate Your Kicking The Thread, Sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

But we are so deep into 'say something once, why say it again?' territory that I cannot must the interest necessary to continue the exchange....

Igel

(35,268 posts)
86. There is a difference between impolite and polite ...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:19 PM
Jul 2014

That allows one to agree impolitely--or to take a poignard to an idea and deftly disembowel it while fully respecting decorum.

There is a vast difference between according one respect and according one courtesy.

Response to cprise (Reply #56)

Warpy

(111,106 posts)
4. Yes, and absolutely devastating when it comes to puncturing gasbags
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

Magistrate, I am glad you are here. Please never mellow.

Tuesday Afternoon

(56,912 posts)
41. OK, Maybe that was someone else ... I remember now a picture thread
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jul 2014

with the model airplanes. Very detailed.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
66. Thank You, Sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:30 PM
Jul 2014

Here a couple you might like.

The first was completed fairly recently, the second was done a good while back:





It is a Polikarpov I-153, of the 127th IAP, flown by Lt.Zhukovskiy from Avgustove, who was credited with several German aircraft destroyed on the first day of Barbarossa.





This is a Polikarpov I-15bis, operating on the Lagoda sector during the Siege of Leningrad early in 1942, as a ground attack machine. Unit is un-known, but things were pretty ad hoc then in any case; there is a good photograph of the thing, however.

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
151. good to see you my friend. we should get together.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:08 AM
Jul 2014

these look like fun.
you know, if you go to any granite counter top fabricator, they will give you the cutouts from the sinks. for a couple bucks they might even polish the edges for you.

rock on old man. it is our sad duty to keep these trolls in the real world.

kids these days.....

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
153. Another 'Meet Up' Gathering Here Might Be Nice, Ma'am
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:34 AM
Jul 2014

It has certainly been a while.

That is an interesting idea about the granite remnants. The things I use for the bases are intended for wall plaques, I gather. My usual shop has just now closed down, though it is to move, fortunately, not to shutter up completely. Its new location, though, will not be nearly so convenient....

mopinko

(69,965 posts)
166. i did my first taxidermy project
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:07 PM
Jul 2014

took a small private class. stuffed a pheasant.
big fun. very tactile.
they handed out little slices of logs.

i have a small flock of chickens now, is what made me want to take the class. hoping to sell some feathers. have lovely birds.

i immediately started being flooded ideas for the hilarious things one could pose a stuffed chicken on/in.
i thought it was super easy, but very complicated at the same time. but in my wheelhouse.
i turned the worst pelt in the class, not my fault, into a decent stuffed pheasant.

chauncy-

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=700317563323259&set=pb.410796658942019.-2207520000.1405109120.&type=3&theater

rocking chair aint got me yet, tho, so i dont have much time for hobbies.
wont be able to help myself come time to cull the flock, tho.


and yeah, meet up. maybe we could do a dinner cruise on the lake.
or y'all could come to the farm.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
119. Thank You, Mr. Rinaldo
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:21 PM
Jul 2014

I have a great respect for your comments here, and always am glad to come upon them.

On the Road

(20,783 posts)
45. I Remember a Thread the Magistrate Started on Kosovo
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jul 2014

composed an extremely long, well-written piece on the history of the area going back centuries.

A poster chimed in to say "you forgot to provide a citation." Another poster then replied "Um, I think The Magistrate actually wrote that himself." Which turned out to be the case.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
48. What? The Magistrate is dead? When did this happen?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:20 PM
Jul 2014

WHY DON'T YOU PEOPLE TELL ME ANYTHING?!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
68. Must Appreciated, My Old Friend
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:33 PM
Jul 2014

I have been recalling you a bit recently, as I recently ventured into the current incarnation of our old 'sand trap' for a few posts....

"Law west of the Pecos."

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
50. WWTMP?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:23 PM
Jul 2014

What would The Magistrate Post?

I think I'll try to take that to heart from now on when responding to all threads.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
54. Intelligent, knowledgeable, and gracious
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 04:48 PM
Jul 2014

while taking no prisoners. I always look forward to reading his posts.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
75. I Appreciate Your Kind Words Very Much, My Friends
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jul 2014

Thank you.

Here is a bit from Mr. H. H. Munro, an especial favorite of mine....


CLOVIS ON PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITIES

MARION EGGELBY sat talking to Clovis on the only subject that she ever willingly talked about – her offspring and their varied perfections and accomplishments. Clovis was not in what could be called a receptive mood; the younger generation of Eggelby, depicted in the glowing improbable colours of parent impressionism, aroused in him no enthusiasm. Mrs. Eggelby, on the other hand, was furnished with enthusiasm enough for two.

“You would like Eric,” she said, argumentatively rather than hopefully. Clovis had intimated very unmistakably that he was unlikely to care extravagantly for either Amy or Willie. “Yes, I feel sure you would like Eric. Every one takes to him at once. You know, he always reminds me of that famous picture of the youthful David – I forget who it’s by, but it’s very well known.”

“That would be sufficient to set me against him, if I saw much of him,” said Clovis. “Just imagine at auction bridge, for instance, when one was trying to concentrate one’s mind on what one’s partner’s original declaration had been, and to remember what suits one’s opponents had originally discarded, what it would be like to have some one persistently reminding one of a picture of the youthful David. It would be simply maddening. If Eric did that I should detest him.”

“Eric doesn’t play bridge,” said Mrs. Eggelby with dignity.

“Doesn’t he?” asked Clovis; “why not?”

“None of my children have been brought up to play card games,” said Mrs. Eggelby; “draughts and halma and those sorts of games I encourage. Eric is considered quite a wonderful draughts-player.”

“You are strewing dreadful risks in the path of your family,” said Clovis; “a friend of mine who is a prison chaplain told me that among the worst criminal cases that have come under his notice, men condemned to death or to long periods of penal servitude, there was not a single bridge-player. On the other hand, he knew at least two expert draughts-players among them.”

“I really don’t see what my boys have got to do with the criminal classes,” said Mrs. Eggelby resentfully. “They have been most carefully brought up, I can assure you that.”

“That shows that you were nervous as to how they would turn out,” said Clovis. “Now, my mother never bothered about bringing me up. She just saw to it that I got whacked at decent intervals and was taught the difference between right and wrong; there is some difference, you know, but I’ve forgotten what it is.”

“Forgotten the difference between right and wrong!” exclaimed Mrs. Eggelby.

“Well, you see, I took up natural history and a whole lot of other subjects at the same time, and one can’t remember everything, can one? I used to know the difference between the Sardinian dormouse and the ordinary kind, and whether the wry-neck arrives at our shores earlier than the cuckoo, or the other way round, and how long the walrus takes in growing to maturity; I daresay you knew all those sorts of things once, but I bet you’ve forgotten them.”

“Those things are not important,” said Mrs. Eggelby, “but – ”

“The fact that we’ve both forgotten them proves that they are important,” said Clovis; “you must have noticed that it’s always the important things that one forgets, while the trivial, unnecessary facts of life stick in one’s memory. There’s my cousin, Editha Clubberley, for instance; I can never forget that her birthday is on the 12th of October. It’s a matter of utter indifference to me on what date her birthday falls, or whether she was born at all; either fact seems to me absolutely trivial, or unnecessary – I’ve heaps of other cousins to go on with. On the other hand, when I’m staying with Hildegarde Shrubley I can never remember the important circumstance whether her first husband got his unenviable reputation on the Turf or the Stock Exchange, and that uncertainty rules Sport and Finance out of the conversation at once. One can never mention travel, either, because her second husband had to live permanently abroad.”

“Mrs. Shrubley and I move in very different circles,” said Mrs. Eggelby stiffly.

“No one who knows Hildegarde could possibly accuse her of moving in a circle,” said Clovis; “her view of life seems to be a non-stop run with an inexhaustible supply of petrol. If she can get some one else to pay for the petrol so much the better. I don’t mind confessing to you that she has taught me more than any other woman I can think of.”

“What kind of knowledge?” demanded Mrs. Eggelby, with the air a jury might collectively wear when finding a verdict without leaving the box.

“Well, among other things, she’s introduced me to at least four different ways of cooking lobster,” said Clovis gratefully. “That, of course, wouldn’t appeal to you; people who abstain from the pleasures of the card- table never really appreciate the finer possibilities of the dining-table. I suppose their powers of enlightened enjoyment get atrophied from disuse.”

“An aunt of mine was very ill after eating a lobster,” said Mrs. Eggelby.

“I daresay, if we knew more of her history, we should find out that she’d often been ill before eating the lobster. Aren’t you concealing the fact that she’d had measles and influenza and nervous headache and hysteria, and other things that aunts do have, long before she ate the lobster? Aunts that have never known a day’s illness are very rare; in fact, I don’t personally know of any. Of course if she ate it as a child of two weeks old it might have been her first illness – and her last. But if that was the case I think you should have said so.”

“I must be going,” said Mrs. Eggelby, in a tone which had been thoroughly sterilised of even perfunctory regret.

Clovis rose with an air of graceful reluctance.

“I have so enjoyed our little talk about Eric,” he said; “I quite look forward to meeting him some day.”

“Good-bye,” said Mrs. Eggelby frostily; the supplementary remark which she made at the back of her throat was -

“I’ll take care that you never shall!”

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
76. More Meta Wanking
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jul 2014

I personally don't care for the whole ma'am/sir routine. It is performed without any inquiry as to the gender identity of the person being addressed and that is rude and should not be imitated by anyone. If you don't know, don't presume. Ask.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
78. True, never broken character once.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:45 PM
Jul 2014

Puts me to shame as far as manners go.

Hat tip to you too TC for a classy thread!


90-percent

(6,828 posts)
85. I'd like to hijack this for just one post
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:02 PM
Jul 2014

And give thanks to the great contribution's Octafish has made to DU over the years.

The Magistrate is not on my radar, but he will be now. That is all.

-90% Jimmy

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
88. Be My Guest, Sir: I Think He Is An Excellent Fellow
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jul 2014

We do not always agree, mind, but he fights his corner well, and makes a valuable contribution here.

ColesCountyDem

(6,943 posts)
87. A gentleman of the old school, and one of the few here whose posts I always read.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jul 2014

You are, sir, courtly, witty and always incisive. You remind me very much of my favorite Illinois Supreme Court Justice, the late Joseph Goldenhersh.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
102. The Magistrate has been a dear and valued friend since my earliest days here.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jul 2014

I can truly say that I love him unconditionally.

I am instantly cheered whenever I see a post by him, whatever the topic, whatever he has to say. His incisive intelligence and dry wit are invaluable, and DU would be a much poorer place without him. Behind the persona there is an honest heart of great compassion and tireless commitment to integrity and truth.

to The Magistrate!

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
114. Thank You Very Much, Ma'am
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:05 PM
Jul 2014

You are coming very near to making me blush, and may be sure the feelings are reciprocated. I value your friendship here very much.

Threedifferentones

(1,070 posts)
107. I find the sir and ma'am routine to be annoying and condescending.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:43 PM
Jul 2014

But then again I've often been called an inconsiderate jerk. Probably I just prefer to people to treat me the way I treat them.

But, his views generally seem well informed, and his arguments logically sound, which I guess is what really counts.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
108. Heck to the yes sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jul 2014

We've got many great people here at DU and The Magistrate is most certainly one of them. I enjoy reading all his posts. Even the arguments in which he is sometimes a part provide food for thought and a model on how to disagree without being a jerk. Bravo!

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
117. A tip of the hat to the good sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:12 PM
Jul 2014


One of DU's most polite and patient gentlemen. I enjoy reading his posts.

And I've wondered how to tell if someone is a sir or madam if its not obvious from their profile or handle. How does one address androgynous posters in a post gender world?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
140. A question Sir something I've wondered if you will
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:36 PM
Jul 2014

in the nonvirtual world does the Magistrate speak in the manner he writes or something like it?

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
141. Someone In The Lounge, Ma'am, Once Described 'Deadwood' Dialogue As 'Magistrate With Tourettes'.....
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:45 PM
Jul 2014

My diction and vocabulary are what they are, but I can certainly get a bit to the blue, which generally I do avoid here.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
154. That It Can, Ma'am
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:06 PM
Jul 2014

I do not hold with those who say profanity is the recourse of those who cannot think of anything else to say. It can be very useful in the proper circumstances, and there are meanings and imports nothing else can convey.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
123. Are you Serious? "The Magistrate" has been Threatened and Needs Our Support?
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jul 2014

Last I saw he was ALIVE AND WELL...with No "Time Outs" or anything against him. He "holds his own" when a post offends him.

I find him a great person to Debate With and not in Need of any "Extra Help" here on DU.


What is this post about?


 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
124. Will always make a point of reading any Magistrate
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jul 2014

post right to the end. No skimming or scanning.

When The Magistrate puts fingers to keyboard, you know it's worth the read.

 

Billy Budd

(310 posts)
126. at first I did not take to him
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:40 PM
Jul 2014

but once I read more I started smirking and sneering ...can't stand the egotism....Sir yes Sir

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
129. I'll say…
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:55 PM
Jul 2014

We all need a little humility now and then and need to pay attention to what and how he posts.

KnR

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
132. there's nothing about The Magistrate I dislike
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jul 2014

Even when I disagree with him. He is, to me, the very best f DU.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
139. Good To See You Here, Sir
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 11:35 PM
Jul 2014

And nice to see the old toast recalled.

As you may have noted, I was briefly down in the old haunt under press of current events. A bad business all around....

Lithos

(26,402 posts)
155. My pleasure
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:37 PM
Jul 2014

Was good to see your comments. It's truly a bad business.

"Between two evils, choose neither; between two goods, choose both." - Tryon Edwards

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
163. I Expect It Will Only Get Worse, Sir
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 02:08 PM
Jul 2014

Certainly so long as Likud governments are put in place, it is a fair summary of Israeli policy to call its aim 'one land between the river and the sea', and its tool annexation in all but name of the portions of the Jordan valley over-run in '67. It did not have to be like that. I suspect Netanyahu will go down in history as the man who did more damage than anyone else to the future of the state of Israel.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
137. When world leaders meet, he's never invited - his attendance is assumed.
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jul 2014

Tried selling that off to the Dos Equis people but they weren't buying - humbly apply it to - Magistrate

Violet_Crumble

(35,955 posts)
145. Now, this is one tipping of the hat thread I can agree with!
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 04:34 AM
Jul 2014

The Magistrate and I go way back to the dinosaur days of DU1. I'm a volatile and sometimes slow learner, but he taught me something when he gave me some home truths back at DU2 about the way I'd been behaving, and he was right about it and I learnt from it. I don't always agree with him on some issues, but I can forgive that in someone who has the knowledge of Middle East history that he's got. Plus he's a genuinely great person.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
152. Undoubtedly.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 10:10 AM
Jul 2014

I may not always agree with him, but I can count on a well reasoned and properly composed explication of his point of view; free from histrionics, germane as to the issue at hand and addressing the burden of rejoinder if there is one at play.

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Original post)

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
158. Idiosyncratic Use Of Language Fascinates Me, Sir
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jul 2014

You seem to take the term 'bullying' as meaning 'disagreeing forcefully and effectively with your views'. It seems of a family with the people who cry they are 'being silenced' when they encounter comments that do not agree with the views they express.

The rest of your comment says much more about you than about me....

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
160. Well, when you gather your disciples to get a comment
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

hidden from view, then I think that would be rightfully called "being silenced".

This is your world man, I'm just a squirrel trying to get a nut.

The Magistrate

(95,241 posts)
161. You Mean A Jury Hid One of Your Posts, Sir?
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

And you imagine I somehow orchestrated the thing, packed the jury, solicited alerts, what?

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