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one_voice

(20,043 posts)
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 05:04 PM Jul 2014

Slut-shaming has little to do with sex, study finds....EDITED

Last edited Sat Jul 12, 2014, 09:33 AM - Edit history (1)



A new study of college women and their attitudes about so-called sluttiness found that slut-shaming — calling out a woman for her supposedly promiscuous sexual behavior — actually had more to do with a woman’s social class than it did with sexual activity.

*snip*

"Viewing women only as victims of men's sexual dominance fails to hold women accountable for the roles they play in reproducing social inequalities," Elizabeth Armstrong, a sociology and organizational studies professor at the University of Michigan, said in a release. "By engaging in 'slut-shaming' — the practice of maligning women for presumed sexual activity — women at the top create more space for their own sexual experimentation, at the cost of women at the bottom of social hierarchies."

*snip*

Armstrong and her team had originally viewed slut-shaming as based on “sexual double standards established and upheld by men, to women’s disadvantage,” they wrote in the study, which was published Wednesday. They thought that, due to societal expectations that men should seek out lots of sexual activity but that women could only do so while in a committed relationship, the women are “vulnerable to slut stigma when they violate this sexual standard and consequently experience status loss and discrimination,” they wrote.

*snip*

The authors discovered that the affluent women participating in sororities in fact worried less about being judged as a slut than did the less affluent women, even though they would engage in more sexual activity. That was because they kept that activity quiet and conveniently seemed to define the accepted standards surrounding sexual behavior.

But when the less affluent women tried to befriend them, the affluent women would publicly slut-shame them as a way to convey that they didn’t fit in.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/29/slut-shaming-study.html



Interesting read.

edited to add: I posted this because I thought it was interesting how once again it's an 'us' vs 'them' type of thing. This was another way of putting poor/less fortunate people 'in their place'. Adding in the race factor and I think that says it all....

I also wanted to add this is the first time I've seen this or any article like it. Maybe I should have included this originally but I never expected for anyone to call for my banning over this.
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Slut-shaming has little to do with sex, study finds....EDITED (Original Post) one_voice Jul 2014 OP
Thanks! RiffRandell Jul 2014 #1
You too!! one_voice Jul 2014 #2
Someone alerted your OP Oilwellian Jul 2014 #3
SMH. I'm the one who posted it 6 weeks ago and it dropped like a stone riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #4
I recall seeing various versions of the article BainsBane Jul 2014 #19
You are right. AngryAmish Jul 2014 #37
I didn't see it or any of the others maddezmom Jul 2014 #25
Like everything in politics Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #26
I don't remember seeing your article... one_voice Jul 2014 #29
Oh it deserves wider exposure I believe! No worries about dupes from me riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #31
Wow. onevoice is a good dem and a good feminist and posted an article about a term that is maddezmom Jul 2014 #5
The alert may be related to another OP calling for a moratorium on the term "slut shaming" Maedhros Jul 2014 #8
Don't frequent that group, but I suppose that might be it maddezmom Jul 2014 #9
However... Oilwellian Jul 2014 #10
That's what I always thought, too Sweet Freedom Jul 2014 #12
That's not quite it, either. winter is coming Jul 2014 #15
Good point. /nt Sweet Freedom Jul 2014 #16
I found this to be an interesting read: Maedhros Jul 2014 #20
Thank you maddezmom... one_voice Jul 2014 #14
wow...a call not just to hide the post... one_voice Jul 2014 #13
Don't let folk like that get to you, one_voice.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #23
Thanks Violet!... one_voice Jul 2014 #30
"...and the admins need to consider banning this poster." Warren DeMontague Jul 2014 #18
Holy crap. That alerter really crossed the line. Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #22
is it? i have not read this rule. nt seabeyond Jul 2014 #27
And who pops up? Well, what do you know. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #38
Must have been some damned troll alerting CBGLuthier Jul 2014 #33
SMFH. Wow. Just wow. LadyHawkAZ Jul 2014 #36
Sarah Palin and other Fundy women are snobby not sexist n/t betterdemsonly Jul 2014 #6
I completely disagree with you. Women like them are extremely sexist. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #7
FYI to those who are upset about the title, that's the exact title to the article as printed nt riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #11
Very interesting. Behind the Aegis Jul 2014 #17
Exactly... one_voice Jul 2014 #35
Or rather, a woman's status is based on the likelihood of getting a man to... Barack_America Jul 2014 #21
good post. this has been put up three or four times already. it is a fun one... for a lot. seabeyond Jul 2014 #28
Somene Alerted On This? ProfessorGAC Jul 2014 #24
to read later snagglepuss Jul 2014 #32
the bottom line is that people will play ANY mental gymnastics to build their superiority complex. alp227 Jul 2014 #34

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
3. Someone alerted your OP
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jul 2014

Unreal and I'm glad the majority of the jury have a brain.

On Fri Jul 11, 2014, 05:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Slut-shaming has little to do with sex, study finds
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025228107

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Slut shaming is a misogynist term. This post should be hidden and the admins need to consider banning this poster.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jul 11, 2014, 05:18 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Slut" is a misogynistic term. "Slut shaming" isn't, and there's nothing about this post meant to be offensive. This idea that someone would/should be banned for posting this article is ludicrous.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yet another thread blaming women, it is insensitive and over the top. It meets the criteria for hiding it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I believe slut shaming is misogynistic, but the term, particularly as used here, certainly is not.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It's the key phrase in the study reported in the post. I'm assuming you don't think that the OP somehow edited the phrase into the actual article too ? I'm always curious in situations like this - what word would you have the OP use ?
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Both men and women are known to shame women for their sexual behavior. This is not misogynistic behavior alone. Calling for a ban of the poster is over the top.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Why is an article that is nearly six weeks old being rehashed. Hiding because this doesn't need to be discussed. TxT

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
4. SMH. I'm the one who posted it 6 weeks ago and it dropped like a stone
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jul 2014

There's never been a "riderinthestorm" appreciation thread and my OP's usually drop. If one isn't a "popular" poster, you're OP's don't usually get a lot of love.

I'm glad one voice re-posted this. Hopefully she'll get a better result because the article is really excellent and deserves a chance for discussion.

(I can't believe people alerted on this... un-fucking-believable)

BainsBane

(53,029 posts)
19. I recall seeing various versions of the article
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:48 AM
Jul 2014

So yours might not have been the first posted. I know I've seen in three or four times. If I recall correctly, at least one of the threads got a significant number of responses.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
25. I didn't see it or any of the others
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 07:08 AM
Jul 2014

Think I was on vacation. Glad it was reposted...food for thought not only about the study but about the usage here on DU.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
29. I don't remember seeing your article...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 09:38 AM
Jul 2014

I wish I had. I'd taken a break for about over a month and wasn't even reading very much.

To me it's another way to hurt poor people. Another reason we need to try and level the playing field.

As for being popular, I know who you and I always like your posts.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
31. Oh it deserves wider exposure I believe! No worries about dupes from me
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 11:08 AM
Jul 2014

And back atcha!

The ridiculous "ban her" comment by the jury along with the fact this was alerted on at all is shameful. This is a discussion board! It's here to discuss stuff!





maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
5. Wow. onevoice is a good dem and a good feminist and posted an article about a term that is
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:30 PM
Jul 2014

Out there in the mainstream. In no way should she be banned. Maybe the alerter should put her on ignore.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
8. The alert may be related to another OP calling for a moratorium on the term "slut shaming"
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:38 PM
Jul 2014

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1255&pid=47150

I tend to agree that the term should be retired, but I don't think that the OP in this thread was intended to insult anyone.

maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
9. Don't frequent that group, but I suppose that might be it
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jul 2014

But calling for banning.....give me a break.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
10. However...
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 07:36 PM
Jul 2014

it's a term used to describe the behavior of women and men who attempt to shame a sexually active woman by calling her "slut" "whore" "easy lay" etc. etc. It's not a term used to demean women, but instead calls out those who attempt to do so. It means the exact opposite of what the thought police are claiming.

Sweet Freedom

(3,995 posts)
12. That's what I always thought, too
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jul 2014

(And that's how I used it the one time it came up in conversation), but I just looked it up and it actually means—

It is a neologism used to describe the act of making a person, especially a woman, feel guilty or inferior for certain sexual behaviors or desires that deviate from traditional or orthodox gender expectations, or that which may be considered to be contrary to natural or religious law. Some examples of circumstances where women are "slut-shamed" include: violating accepted dress codes by dressing in sexually provocative ways, requesting access to birth control,[1][2][3] having premarital or casual sex, or being raped or sexually assaulted.[4]


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slut-shaming

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
15. That's not quite it, either.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 08:33 PM
Jul 2014

"used to describe the act of making a person, especially a woman, feel guilty" should IMO be "used to describe the act of trying to make a person, especially a woman, feel guilty"

Slut shaming exists whether or not it's successful.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
13. wow...a call not just to hide the post...
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jul 2014

but for me to be banned. I'm really at a loss.

This is why I'm taking longer breaks...this was a malicious alert, imo.

Thank for letting me know.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
23. Don't let folk like that get to you, one_voice....
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:16 AM
Jul 2014

It was definitely a malicious alert, but most DUers are above that trying to drive others off DU, so do what I do now and focus on the good folk at DU and ignore the rest

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
18. "...and the admins need to consider banning this poster."
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:32 AM
Jul 2014


and some people really need to get a grip, more like.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
22. Holy crap. That alerter really crossed the line.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:14 AM
Jul 2014

Calling for the banning of a DUer is an abuse of the alert system. If you haven't already done it, you should consider hitting the alert button on the bottom of the jury result notification you got, so admin can look at this one.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
33. Must have been some damned troll alerting
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jul 2014

Trying to get a long term member BANNED for doing not one fucking thing wrong. Too bad loser. you failed.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
36. SMFH. Wow. Just wow.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jul 2014

I hope someone alerted on the alerter. Sounds like they alerted on a personal grudge rather than the actual post.

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
17. Very interesting.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:08 AM
Jul 2014

It is a shame (me being kind) this article ran into the orthodoxy police, because this piece really shines a light, not on sex and sexuality as one might expect, but rather on financial inequality (i.e. 1% v 99%) which many here seem to think is actually important. Sex, sexual orientation, race, religion, abilities, and yet, it all seems to come down to one thing; money. Of course, it isn't really that simple, but more and more studies I have seen seem to revolve around the "haves" and "have-nots."

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
35. Exactly...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jul 2014

I thought it was interesting because of the financial inequality. I guess I should have made that clearer, which is why I did the edit. I certainly wasn't dismissing any other 'groups' that do it. But if we're to stop this type of thing I think we need to be aware of ALL the bullies.

Yes, it's us vs them AGAIN....

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
21. Or rather, a woman's status is based on the likelihood of getting a man to...
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:01 AM
Jul 2014

...commit to her, rather than just be used by him for sex.

Ugh. I can see truth to this. How disgusting. It also would explain why younger women, who have accomplished less for themselves and whose identities are more dependent on attractiveness and sexual desirability are particularly prone to this.

So, so key to raise our young girls with a sense of self and accomplishment beyond their appearance and their parents' wealth. And also key to raise our young men with this same view of women.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
28. good post. this has been put up three or four times already. it is a fun one... for a lot.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 09:28 AM
Jul 2014

in those other threads, it was broken down more. showed more of the picture. i do not remember, nor am i going to do the research on it.

but, interesting perspective from you.

ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
24. Somene Alerted On This?
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 06:21 AM
Jul 2014

Really? The term is lifted directly from the article and that clearly shows that it was a real study done by professionals who were seeking out the the causes and impact of that term.
The alert was a ridiculous knee-jerk rejection to the first four letters in that term without actually seeing the context.
The alerter, i would hope, is embarassed.

alp227

(32,015 posts)
34. the bottom line is that people will play ANY mental gymnastics to build their superiority complex.
Sat Jul 12, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

Yes it's true that slut-shaming does originate with religious beliefs about sex being sinful. But then, humans can be arrogant and narcissistic as well.

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