Jon Stewart: "What are Gazans supposed to do? Evacuate to where?

[eridani]

Have you f***ing seen #Gaza?"

[joshcryer]

1. eridani, we know they cannot leave.

They are under the auspices of "Palestinian right of return" and are not allowed to leave under the Arab League even if they wanted to. No Arab country will allow them to migrate.

I am not arguing that they should migrate, but I am merely pointing out that they can't, even if they wanted to.

So the prison walls are built by both sides. Israel and the Arab world. There is no debating that objectively, imo. If Israel wants to persecute, they can, at whim.

[eridani]

2. They are not limited to Arab League nations. The reason they can't go anywhere now--

--is purely physical, ast Stewart pointed out.

[joshcryer]

5. Nope.

They could fly out of there if somehow magically an Arab League state would accept them. Israel would be happy to let them go. After all, it's a prison.

[eridani]

7. Fly on what? Where do they get the money? WTF does the Arab League have to do with anything?

Why wouldn't the US or some European country accept them?

[joshcryer]

8. The US grants asylum to a thousand or so a year.

It could be greater, but that's where it stands. No idea about the EU. But it's a reality that the "right of return" forbids any Arab League state from accepting them, so they can't even apply to leave to go to those states.

It's a perpetual war, funded by the east and west alike. It's an open air prison. It's despicable.

[eridani]

11. You still haven't said who pays to fly them out of Gaza to anywhere n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

14. Don't they need an airport to fly anywhere? I thought Israel destroyed it long ago n/t

[joshcryer]

18. Irrelevant if there is no where to go.

How do you think the 1k_ Palestinian-Americnas gets out? A magic school bus? Flights happen. Just, only, when Hamas is not lobbing explosives around.

[eridani]

19. You have stated that only Arab states count as destinations

This is bullshit. Given that 10 Palestinians die for every Israeli, Hamas weaponry is pretty chickenshit.

[pangaia]

23. The US?

We don't even let nearby kids in.

[ellenrr]

4. It's like someone said about the Jews in 1934

there were two kinds of nations:
those that wouldn't let them in, and those that wouldn't let them out.

[joshcryer]

6. Pretty much.

[malaise]

9. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

How soon we forget.
By the way we should contrast Tweety's uninformed rant today with Chris Hayes' who has been very objective.
Thanks Jon Stewart.

[ellenrr]

10. I have to make a note to catch Chris Hayes. I'm not used to watching that channel, so

keep forgetting. A couple of people (I think you were one of them, Malaise!) have said he was good.

[malaise]

13. He's OK - good sometimes

He has really been objective re the latest madness. Matthews (who rarely does his homework) apparently didn't know that the missiles were a response to the three Israeli young men who were killed. There was no proof of who killed those innocent young men but there was collective punishment.

[ellenrr]

21. when I used to watch msnbc, many years ago, I couldn't stand drooling Matthews...

I really don't like that whole network, and disagree with the idea that they are a
"liberal" response to Fox. well I guess they could be called liberal, they are certainly not progressive.

there used to be a good guy on- Cenk Uygur - I think he has his own show somewhere.

[malaise]

24. Matthews is good on Cheney andd civil rights issues

He has attempted to reinvent himself re Iraq and must never be forgiven for facilitating the MIC, the neo-cons and GE's war machine.

[ellenrr]

12. oh, duh. forgot i'm in the digital age. getting ready to watch now. :) nt

[DeSwiss]

3. Where's Moses when you need 'em?

- K&R

[WinkyDink]

16. 1. 'em = "them." 2. Moses? Wrong gtoup!

[DeSwiss]

25. Same group, different pronunciations.

Moses (Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה?, Modern Moshe Tiberian Mōšéh ISO 259-3 Moše ; Syriac: ܡܘܫܐ Moushe; Arabic: موسى? Mūsā ) was, according to the Hebrew Bible and the Qur'an, a former Egyptian prince later turned prophet, religious leader and lawgiver, to whom the authorship of the Torah is traditionally attributed. Also called Moshe Rabbenu in Hebrew (מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ, Lit. "Moses our Teacher/Rabbi&quot , he is the most important prophet in Judaism. He is also an important prophet in Christianity and Islam, as well as a number of other faiths. link

[WinkyDink]

15. My version: "Where are Israelis supposed to go? Evacuate to where? Bavaria? Poland? Ukraine?"

[eridani]

17. Those who are successful at ethnic cleansing don't have to go anywhere n/t

[WinkyDink]

28. I guess the Israelis are behind the rocket-launchers of Hamas.

[eridani]

29. The Palestinians are utterly helpless against their own ethnic cleansing

Like kids kicking the back of the driver's seat on the way to Aunty Em in Kansas instead of Disneyland, all they can do is make the fruits of the land and water theft less enjoyable tp the conquerors.

[TexasProgresive]

20. Supposing the Gazans have the ability and place to go

Will the land hungry Israelis annex the empty land? This would please some in Israel as they get what they want without the slaughter.

[Capt. Obvious]

22. Why would they want to leave their Bantustans?

[HeiressofBickworth]

26. Gaza and Israeli rockets

have been likened to shooting fish in a barrel. And yes, when an area of Gaza has been "cleaned" out, I believe Israel will move in with more settlements. It seems to be the plan: push Palestinians out, populate the land.

[laundry_queen]

27. That was pretty much my first thought

when I heard the "we are telling them to evacuate" line. I shouted (my kids can confirm this, lol) at the tv, "TO WHERE??"

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"