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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRegarding the reluctance to legalize the growing of Hemp.
Of course I believe recreational and medical Marijuana should be legal but the outlawing of Hemp is exponentially ridiculous.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Paper, oil, cattle feed, and the many other uses for Hemp that could also be holding it up. Like big pharma and alcohol to pot.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)eShirl
(18,490 posts)^That is what makes it so
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)fortunately in some states ie: Tennessee it has but the federal government needs to get on the bus as well.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Industrial Hemp has been identified as a crop that would thrive on the land the Government left them.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Peace to you, Algernon Moncrieff.
IDemo
(16,926 posts)Although I'm not sure what sort of research is required - the facts surrounding the plant and its uses are pretty well established.
But it's a start.
http://www.votehemp.com/PR/2014-02-07-vh_farm_bill_signed.html
So even The Turtle is on board.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)"researched," I'm anxiously awaiting the results.
I hear next, they will be researching water, that should be exciting.
Peace to you, IDemo.
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)Growing it, however, anything could happen. Too dangerous without further knowledge.
Several tons of hemp sails and rigging were used on this old boat, likely used by Colonial drug smugglers:
(USS Constitution)
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)That's like a farm bill with an amendment to allow industrial research of spoons.
wha?
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Hemp, like sunflowers, have cane-like stalks - the roots of the plants pull heavy metals out of the soil and into the stalk.
So, that's one research project - to see how well hemp works to help clean up toxic sites. Japan has used sunflowers for phytoremediation and, I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure some people did some research with phytoremediation at Chernobyl.
Hemp has a lot of current industrial uses, so, yeah, the research is b.s. in a way, but it's a foot in the door at the federal level to overturn current cannabis laws.
But industrial uses don't always need hemp grown on site - tho, noted below, we're the only nation w/o an industrial hemp policy. Using the plant to improve soil, tho, is specific to the plant in the ground, not after harvest.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Hemp is an amazing plant and I'm learning things about it all the time. It's hard to imagine it already having hundreds of uses and there are still more to come.
Best wallet I have ever had... made of Hemp. Bought it 15 years ago in Amsterdam and it's still my main one. You can get them here too. Better than leather any day.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)some people get upset when people talk about the value of hemp because they think you're getting into an "airyfairy save the world, grow hemp! peace out, yo" mindset.
...when the reality is that hemp can replace just about any petrochemical product on the market today - "plastic" bags that would decompose - biofuel - some prototypes for buildings of the future have self-sustaining buildings with gardens on the outside walls (greenhouses, not outside the building), water and fish flowing up and down the structures to keep the water from contamination, pellet-fed generators - with biofuel pellets - corn is another one for such use, but hemp requires FAR fewer pesticides than corn.
as I've mentioned before, 50% of agricultural pesticide use in the U.S. goes for cotton production (much of which is now located in CA.) If hemp rather than cotton became the fabric of choice - it would be possible to drastically cut pesticide use in this nation. And breathable fabrics are much better than synthetics, as far as comfort. But they're cheaper so...
anyway, hemp insulation performs better than any other - in terms of mold, insulation value, etc.
I think the major change we need in this nation, economically, is a move to sustainable industry as much as possible. But, you know, to do this, you're fighting the oil industry, the cotton industry, the forestry industry (hemp paper could replace wood pulp and save forests that help to cool the earth...)
I think I'll post it in videos - there's a great video that talks about the symbiosis of forest life - but it applies to humans, too. Unfortunately, the course of history has been such that Europeans and Americans have had a "subdue and conquer, the earth is here to exploit because... god" view. And that's what really needs to change for so many good changes to happen in this nation and the wider world.
cause save the world, grow hemp! peace out, yo... LOL.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I'd grow it!
Thanks... really!
RainDog
(28,784 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 17, 2014, 03:45 AM - Edit history (1)
The Other Cannabis War: The Battle Over Hemp
How a 20-year campaign to distinguish industrial hemp from marijuana scored an epic victory
...Despite its patriotic bona fides, cannabis sativa was a victim of reefer madness in almost every decade of the 20th Century. Praised, taxed, vilified, confused with pot and blamed for killing sprees and the theft of American jobs by immigrants. The final nail in hemp's coffin was its classification as a Schedule 1 narcotic in 1970's Controlled Substances Act.
The U.S. is the only industrialized nation without a commercial hemp industry. All the hemp sold in the U.S., including the food and body products lining the shelves of Costco, the Body Shop and Whole Foods is imported. As Americans buy hemp, Britain, China, France and Germany are among the countries benefiting from Americas incoherent drug policy. Last year, Canadian farmers grew 67,000 acres of hemp and say they may not be able to grow enough to fill this year's orders. David Bronner began adding hemp oil imported from Canada to his liquid soaps in 1999. "I thought this was the most ridiculous piece of the drug war," he says "that a non-drug agricultural crop was caught up here."
In 2001, in a fit of drug war paranoia, the DEA declared a ban on foods that contain hemp including certain cereals, salad dressings, breads and veggie burgers claiming that the foods contained THC. Effected businesses were given 120 days to dump their inventories. With the hemp food market just taking off, 200 hemp companies, including Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap, took the DEA to court. The lawsuit allowed the hemp industry to make its case in the media. Hemp won the bruising battle nearly three years later when a federal judge in San Francisco ruled that the government couldn't regulate the trace amounts of THC that occur naturally in hemp seeds.
...In Kentucky, farming programs for veterans that teach families how to grow their own food have just sewn hemp in collaboration with the agriculture department and Vote Hemp. Mike Lewis, a military veteran and food security expert who founded the group in 2012 when his brother returned from the war in Afghanistan with a brain injury, now has grant money for a hemp textile project and part-time work for twelve people. This in a state with a 19% poverty rate. "Appalachia has a strong history of textiles," Lewis observes. "In my vision that's what's missing from rural communities, ag income. People used to survive off tobacco. If it has to be hemp for textiles, let's do it. People call hemp a panacea, a pipe dream, but look how many people came together from all walks of life in Kentucky to make this happen."
I have NOTHING to back up my speculations, but in my fictional D.C. universe (Washington, not the Comics), McConnell got the dam project approved for KY as part of the budget bill way back when the Republicans were going for "shut it all down" and, maybe, he got on board with the legalization crew through the hemp bill.
Hemp is a Republican issue in KY - as in, it's been touted by Republicans because the Ag. Commissioner and McConnell are buddies and Democrats have obstructed - b/c of politics, not because of what's good for the state or the nation. Hopefully, Grimes won't continue this - but if she does - she'll be making a wrong move, imo. A major wrong move.
So, here's old Mitch, raising a fuss with the DEA about the hemp seeds his state cannot import from Italy, and getting his base riled up about DEA interference in state law - while the hemp amendment never stated how states were supposed to obtain seeds for their agriculture commission and university ag. dept research projects with hemp.
So, he undercuts the religious right's - omg, it could be, over a lot of generations and why bother when hybridized seeds already exist for much less cost or hassle- objection to any leniency regarding marijuana policy by focusing on the federal govt's interference - Mitch is getting support from Republicans in this way and so the rr has to take a backseat because... the farmer puts the food upon the table, yes, sir.
A medical mj bill died on the floor of the House in KY - and one representative there noted they are fighting against all the propaganda about mj from the 70s, etc. the false links to crime, the way politicians have linked mj to racism - this is a long, long legacy this nation has to overcome and pretend like the very politicians or their offices were not the ones telling these lies all these years. This process is esp. true in the south, but the northeast also has a stake in racist application of laws based upon racism - like stop and frisk - and LEO budgets have been tied to making easy marijuana arrests that also harass the minority populations there - so a lot to untangle in their and their voters' minds.
Otherwise, all the support for mj reform comes from Democrats in states with one Republican co-sponsor - Rohrabacher, in CA, where it's safer for him to support legal mj than oppose.
The bill was reintroduced this year in the house by a guy in
All the state-level decriminalization has been argued on the basis of the unequal application of the law - this isn't something Republicans care about, and, in fact, they tend to favor laws that target minorities since minorities are not part of their voting bloc (hey, nothing personal, just screw you, it's politics...argh.)
So, I see Mitch doing his job on his end to provide a way for Republicans to build a case for changing the law based upon hatred of the federal entities that Republicans like to hate. It's simple to get economic conservatives on board - this is why libertarians are leaving politics and going into the marijuana industry - they see this is a growth industry - and libertarians have been on the forefront of legalization in many places, like California, where Democrats, like Jerry Brown, or Dianne Feinstein, have shown they favor the bureaucratic mess that exists because... who knows... who pays their campaign contributions? Adelson? LOL.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)strategy.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)And that's saying something.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)...
8)Specifies that industrial hemp must be grown in acreages of
not less than five acres, with no plots of less than one
contiguous acre.
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Why would you want to grow hemp seed?
It's one of the healthiest foods around. It was the original "gruel". Omega 6:3 averages 2.5:1, nearly ideal for human health. It's a source of essential fatty acids. It's a low water use crop, and low maintenance.
It seems strange to allow folks to grow their own food, (olives, avocados, both high oil crops, but lots of other foods as well), but not allow them to grow their own food (hemp seed). I guess life isn't like a box of chocolates, after all.
Can't let humans get off Big Ag? Control the food supply.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)for the self-serving; greed and/or political based kind.
RainDog
(28,784 posts)and took out some competition for the monopolist, DuPont.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)We've come a long way baby.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Which makes personal opinions by law enforcement much easier to conjure up and enforce. Loopholes.
Gag me with a sp.... oh never mind.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I love hemp clothing. One of my best friend's brothers owned a hemp store (along with a far larger, more successful bong store, but hey I am in Canada, lol). Everything hemp was sold there...soaps, oils, seeds, paper, clothing...I loved going there. On one of my birthdays, my friend gave me a few pieces of hemp clothing. It lasted me 12 years until I gave it away. Nothing was wrong with it - it was a bit faded but there was zero wear. I just got a bit tired of it.
I also used to make my babies' diapers with hemp fleece. SUPER absorbent stuff! Washes great, doesn't ever wear out, and no bad smells (like mildew).
ETA: how could I forget? I used to make hemp twine jewelry too. I'm such a hippie, lol.
I seriously don't get why hemp is illegal to grow in the US. Talk about absurd. I can't believe it's taking so long for them to change it. I remember discussing this online 15 years ago.
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)Helped me lose 50lbs!
Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)grew wild in the ditches and fields long after they stopped growing to make twine. That could be part of the opposition.