Malaysian Plane 'Shot Down With 295 On Board'

[MohRokTah]

This will probably shake things up in the Ukrainian situation:

Malaysian Plane 'Shot Down With 295 On Board'

A Malaysian passenger plane with 295 people on board has been shot down as it flew above eastern Ukraine, according to aviation sources.

The plane, which is believed to have been flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, was travelling at an altitude of 10km (6.2 miles) when it was shot down, Russia's Inferfax reported.

It was brought down by a ground-to-air missile, an adviser to the Ukrainian interior ministry quoted by the news agency said.

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Remember, this is breaking news and the situation is fluid. No telling who shot it down at this point. It may not have even been shot down as is currently being reported.

[conservaphobe]

2. More credible than the Kremlin. nt

[MohRokTah]

3. Did you read my comment below the excerpt? eom

[geek tragedy]

17. the rebels were bragging about shooting it down

before realizing that it was a passenger jet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-cras_n_5595516.html#20_prorussian-separatists-reportedly-bragged-about-downing-plane

[MineralMan]

4. I've not seen any evidence that supports the plane being "shot down."

I'll wait for evidence before making any judgment.

It appears that a plane has crashed and people have died, though. That's always a horrible thing. The cause of that crash, however, appears to be unknown at this time.

[geek tragedy]

6. there are eyewitnesses saying it was shot down, and the rebels

have been using Russian military air defense systems against Ukrainian jets in the area.

Not terribly difficult to figure out what happened.

[LordGlenconner]

9. When will you start your investigation?

And will you be traveling to Ukraine?

[MineralMan]

11. I won't start any investigation, obviously.

I will wait, though, before drawing any conclusions about whether the plane was shot down or not.

That's always my habit in situations like this. I'm sure we'll hear more about this.

[MohRokTah]

12. When breaking news events happen, the standard in reporting these days is report first, fact check

later.

You need to be cautious and take initial reports with a grain of salt as the facts are unclear and many falsehoods are reported in the first hours and even days after the event.

[MohRokTah]

10. That's why I placed my caution as a comment following the excerpt.

[librechik]

5. there seem to be several downed aircraft including military in the last 2 days

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014848218


what the hell is happening?

[geek tragedy]

8. Putin gave the rebels some of Russia's most powerful

surface-to-air missile systems.

[mylye2222]

7. Just watching the news.

French mefia says we still dolt know if it had been shot or no...but yhat would be "highly possible".

[WillyT]

13. More Here:

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-cras_n_5595516.html#4_interfax-plane-brought-down-by-missile-

[MohRokTah]

15. This could force all air traffic to avoid Ukrainian airspace.

Bad juju.

[herding cats]

29. One would hope they do so effective immediately. nt

[Go Vols]

14. Al Jazerra English can't confirm it was shot down,

but is confirming it is down/crashed.

[mylye2222]

19. The same with French 24/7 chanels..

Witch are BFMTV and I Télé.

[KamaAina]

16. Malaysian plane? Are you serious?

Well, I guess I know what's gonna be on CNN for the next few weeks.

[MohRokTah]

18. This one happened over land.

So no ocean search this time. At least we've got that going for us.

[mylye2222]

20. I Télé just said a large number of the victims

May be Western people. .

[MattBaggins]

47. So there is a slim chance someone somewhere might do something about it?

[octoberlib]

21. My condolences to everyone who was on that plane. If it was

shot down I wonder what our response will be.






pourmecoffee ?@pourmecoffee 3m
@BarackObama Please tell everyone in the world to chill the fuck out.

[octoberlib]

23. More info

A source in Ukraine's National Security Council confirmed to Mashable's Chris Miller that the plane was downed.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko called for the creation of a government commission along with the ICAO (Ukrainian Aviation Security Training Centre) and other international organizations to investigate the tragedy of the Malaysian Airlines passenger plane.

Today, at approximately 4:20 p.m. Malaysian Airlines No. 17, which was flying the route from Amsterdam - Kuala - Lumpur, disappeared from radar screens.

In recent days, this is the third tragic accident, after the AN-26 and SU-25 aircrafts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were shot down from the Russian territory. We do not exclude that this aircraft was also shot down, and stress that the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not commit any actions in the air [at the time of the downing].

http://mashable.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-ukraine/?utm_cid=mash-com-Tw-main-li



Reuters Top News ?@Reuters 1m
#BREAKING: Eastern Ukraine separatist leader Alexander Borodai says airliner shot down by Ukrainian gov. forces, Kiev denied involvement

[MohRokTah]

24. The clarity becomes mudlike

Shades of Syria and chemical weapons blame.

[octoberlib]

25. Yep.

[redqueen]

28. Thanks for the update.

[octoberlib]

32. No problem. I just hope they can get to the bottom of it and it doesn't turn into a quagmire.

[redqueen]

35. Someone there wants to escalate hostilities.

That's what I keep thinking ... I can't see things improving there before they get worse.

[MohRokTah]

30. UPDATE on CNN

Pictures of wreckage on the ground indicate the aircraft broke up mid air prior to the crash.

[octoberlib]

31. They shot down 2 previous planes with SOMETHING, but denying everything.

Ellen Barry ?@EllenBarryNYT 45m
Per Interfax: Pro-Russian militia leaders in Donetsk say they do not have SA-17 Buk air defense systems "as Kyiv alleges."


Ellen Barry ?@EllenBarryNYT 15m
Per Interfax, Putin and Obama have just spoken on the phone about Ukraine.

[MohRokTah]

33. UPDATE: Tweet from Sam Stein

MT @strobetalbott: Donetsk separatist boss Strelkov, Kremlin's proxy in war, says he ordered shootdown

Twitter link

If this is true, the Ukrainian conflict just changed in a severe and scary way. Citizens of NATO nations would have been killed on that plane.

[herding cats]

37. They're trying to walk that back now.

They're claiming it was shot down by the Ukrainian military as of now.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/official-malaysian-plane-shot-down-over-ukraine

[MohRokTah]

38. Yeah, but Tweets are forever.

He claimed responsibility as the plane was crashing. That's pretty damning.

[herding cats]

40. A lesson in premature bragging on the internet.

It'll haunt you forever.

[Marrah_G]

34. I think the UN and Nato are going to have to respond

At least with some kind of sanctions and maybe peacekeepers to monitor the situation.

Edit: I do not want military action, but I think it's getting to the point where it's heading that way.

[WillyT]

36. Oh Man...

Unbelievable: passenger posted just before takeoff: "if it dissapears, this is what it looks like". @zerohedge
9:09 AM - 17 Jul 2014

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/17/malaysia-airlines-plane-cras_n_5595516.html#24_report-photo-taken-by-passenger-shows-plane-that-crashed

[Jenoch]

39. Putin really screwed the pooch on this one.

[randome]

42. He is to blame for this, no doubt about it. Russia needs to throw his ass out. For good, this time!

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[Jenoch]

43. I don't see that happening.

I don't know what the response should be, but sanctions are useless.

[randome]

44. I'd say why don't the Russians have enough pride to give him the boot?

Then I remember George, Junior.
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[Jenoch]

46. Putin is entrenched and so far, has the military on his side.

I don't think the Russian people necessarily care about the Malaysian aircraft going down, at least not enough to put themselves at risk.

[tabbycat31]

41. Condolences to the loved ones of those on board

However, I'd *HATE* to be the PR person for Malaysian Airlines right now (and in 2014 in general).

[MohRokTah]

45. UPDATE: Separatists are keeping Ukrainian officials away from crash site.

Separatists are in complete control of the area and is allowing nobody in.

[MohRokTah]

48. UPDATE: Ukrainian Secret Service Claims Tape of Separatists and Russians

CNN is reporting that the Ukriainian Secret Service are prepared to release a tape of what they claim is a telephone conversation between separatists and Russians on the other side of the border describing the attack on the aircraft and, during the conversation, it is reported that instead of a military aircraft they have shot down a jetliner.

Take with appropriate levels of salt as this is a nation's spy agency making the claim during a time of war.

[Agschmid]

49. Would be an interesting development.

[MohRokTah]

50. UPDATE: U.S. intelligence confirms surface-to-air missile fired at Malaysian jet

@wsj Breaking: U.S. intelligence confirms surface-to-air missile fired at Malaysian jet but are divided over origin. http://wsj.com

Wall Street Journal Twitter link