Were TWO planes shot down over Eastern Ukraine yesterday?

[FrodosPet]

And both of them near the same city - Torez!





http://en.itar-tass.com/world/741164

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

1. Yeah, I just saw another_liberals' latest attempt to blame this on Ukraine.

Now tbh, I don't know who shot the plane down. But another_liberal has no proof whatsoever of his claims, just his assertion that 'the rebels don't have that kind of weaponry'.

Except there have been multiple threads showing various reports of the rebels bragging about catching exactly that sort of weaponry, and later posting to also brag about having shot down a plane at that time, including partial ID'ing one of the dead people onboard.

So either somebody has been 'manufacturing' evidence right and left, or, Occam's razor, the evidence is what it is.

Nobody in the region had any reason to shoot down a civilian airliner, so the most likely scenario is that somebody mistook it for a military plane. Ukraine isn't in a 'hot war' with Russia, so they wouldn't be shooting at Russian planes, and the separatists don't even have any planes. Also on the lack of a 'hot war' between Ukraine and Russia, Russia wouldn't be shooting at any Ukrainian planes.

That leaves exactly one set of folks who might be interested in shooting down military planes. Separatists, who had JUST shot down two other military planes in the last 3 days.

So some dipstick without enough training didn't know how to tell planes apart using the instrumentation they had, saw a plane, assumed it must be Ukrainian military, and fired.

And another_liberal has been pushing his 'The 'evidence' points to Ukraine!' total crapola without a shred of evidence to back up his assertions.

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2. CNN at one point said it was the third plane this week

I assume the other two were military in nature

[FrodosPet]

3. The point is, the Russian State News Agency is saying rebels brought down a plane

They said it was an An-26 transport plane - brought down in the same place and time as the 777. But there is no signs of wreckage from an An-26, only the 777

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4. Possible.

'Same place' is rather vague.

[FrodosPet]

6. OK, close to the town of Torrez

NOBODY is reporting two airplane crash sites near the Progress mine in Torez, Ukraine from yesterday, August 17, 2014 AD. Only the Malaysian Airliner.

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7. If I follow you correctly

You're saying the tree does not make a sound when no one tweets it

[FrodosPet]

9. I'm saying a transport plane crash makes a lot of noise and smoke

And a lot of scattered debris.

So where is the An-26 Transport plane wreckage?

Why did ITAR-TASS report the separatists downed an airplane?

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http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/741291

DONETSK, July 17. /ITAR-TASS/. Militiamen of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) brought down a military transport Antonov-26 (An-26) plane of the Ukrainian Air Force on the outskirts of the town of Torez, eyewitnesses said.

A missile hit the An-26, it fell on the ground and caught blaze, they said.
On July 14, militiamen of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic downed another An-26 of the Ukrainian Air Force.

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WHERE is the Antonov-26 wreckage from yesterday?

Easy answer - it was mistaken identification. The plane shot down was a Boeing 777.

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10. Where is the aerial coverage from yesterday's tragedy?

You see my point. Had their been no one on the ground shooting with a cell phone and broadcasting it via internet who know what we wouldn't know today.

It's a war zone. Planes are probably getting shot down. Because their are no photos a mouse click away means nothing

[Renew Deal]

5. There was a guy I saw interviewed last night that said he saw two planes shot down

He was a local. This was either on CNN or MSNBC. It seemed doubtful to me, but he said it. It was in a string of eye witness accounts.

[MohRokTah]

8. Nope, just the Malaysian airliner

That story popped up on ITAR-TASS at about the same time the social media post by Igor Strelkov was made.