tell me about pot and the pee test. please.

[seabeyond]

so many places anymore make people take a drug test. even for a stupid ass minimum wage job that one can friggin be stoned doing with no repercussions. but. that seems to be the way it is today. so. please. all the experts. i have done some online searching. i do not know how safe they are being in their info. i have gotten information from others that makes me think on line is being really cautious.

take a couple hits daily for a couple months, how long does it take to work out of system to have a clean test? i heard 2, 3 weeks.

have a couple hits and that is it? i hear 2 or 3 days.

what if you take a couple hits. then a week later take a couple hits. then a week later take a couple hits. how long does that take? saying, is it cumulative cause it is taking a couple hits weekly?

help out please. thank you

[Capt. Obvious]

1. Too many unknown factors about subject

If they have very low body fat, occasional smoke will be out of system quickly. If you're fat and you smoke constantly best to wait a month.

[eridani]

51. Only if you go on a diet n/t

[yeoman6987]

71. I have had to take piss tests for 27 years

and I hear it is 30 days to get out of the system. I won't even take a puff. Totally not worth it. I think people need to really be very careful if you want to keep the job. A hit on Mary Jane is not worth a job.

[Capt. Obvious]

77. Yes, they should

If you get random tests you should not smoke unless you have like 5% body fat or less - then you can smoke Friday nights.

I know someone like that - he was a Ranger, and whenever they got a weekend leave he and others in his unit would get high on Friday night. They would pee Monday morning and never fail.

Not many people are that fit so you're best off abstaining.

If you're just worried about a new job piss test, smoking once or twice a year is nothing to worry about.

[edgineered]

86. That is a matter of attitude

Obviously, for 27 years you were dedicated to your job. For others, getting to the point where realizing every important thing in your life doesn't come down to some job are interested in the answers.

Some people naturally care more about each other, the planet, and many other things in our lives that are far more important than a boss's feeling about my free time. You miss the important things when you're at work.

[seabeyond]

89. sigh.... yes. lol. kinda how i am looking at life today. not so much on the

fast track. i enjoying wandering, looking, and listening. feeling. lol.

good post

[edgineered]

92. It's a good thing my connection went down

Also a good time to find the munchies, oops, meant cookies.

[Lochloosa]

2. See below

take a couple hits daily for a couple months, how long does it take to work out of system to have a clean test? i heard 2, 3 weeks.

Figure 30 Days to be safe

have a couple hits and that is it? i hear 2 or 3 days.

Most likely will not show up on a test.

what if you take a couple hits. then a week later take a couple hits. then a week later take a couple hits. how long does that take? saying, is it cumulative cause it is taking a couple hits weekly?

This is what I do and I don't worry about test. Your body will flush the THC between hits.

Remember...if you suspect a test is coming then Dilution is the Solution. Drinks lots and lots of water.

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. Drug tests can alert on too much dilution.

The lab will mark the test as a fail if there is evidence of too much water.

I have had clients fail for this reason.
The courts would order another test but an employer probably would just count it as a fail, no chance for re-test.

[sweetloukillbot]

32. I had that happen

My result was flagged as diluted and I had to give a hair sample.

[Aerows]

35. Happened to me, too

I'm pretty thin, and I drank too much tea that day. I don't smoke so it kind of surprised me that there was a question about my results. Oh well, gave the hair, went on about my business.

[sweetloukillbot]

41. I hadn't smoked for something like 10 years...

Randomly decided to get high on Monday, then got randomed on Tuesday. I couldn't believe the dumb luck. But nothing showed up so...

[seabeyond]

47. wow. that is too crazy. surely it showed in your hair? then what? nt

[sweetloukillbot]

58. It didn't

The hair test ended up being a couple weeks later.

[eridani]

52. The too much dilution is a visual check. Take lots of vitamin B capsules

That gets you a nice yellow tinge.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

53. That's weird.

I would have thought that's what the specific gravity test was for. Too close to 1 = water.

[eridani]

54. Urine tests that I took never had specific gravity tests, just temperature checks n/t

[Capt. Obvious]

79. I used to take the heavy duty piss tests

They checked temp, color, and I'm pretty sure they tested for blockers and maskers and so forth. As soon as you were done peeing the tech would barge into the bathroom and spray the toilet with something and peer into the toilet. I have no idea what that was for.

[eridani]

80. Not sure what the levels of B vitamins would prove, though

They might have been checking for remnants of a clean pee container in the toilet.

[Capt. Obvious]

83. Maybe it was lysol

[CBGLuthier]

3. Four weeks minimum for an absolute guaranteed clean result.

It is not cumulative but if you are a chronic user your fat cells may store more. My wife was not as chronic as me but she was a daily user and she failed after 3 weeks.

There are things you can do to improve your sample, never give the first urine of the day or even of the particular stream. Do not exercise before giving a sample as stored fat cells might release. You should drink a fair amount of water, since urine really should be light in color, but some will balk if it seems too clear. I have no knowledge that any of the available products will make any difference.

In my lifetime I have passed one and failed one. I recently quit "forever" as it was getting out of hand.

[tammywammy]

9. I don't smoke pot, but we have random drug tests at work.

The last time I was called down it was right after I peed. I drank a bunch of water, since we have 20 min to get over there to pee in the cup. My sample was too diluted, I was called back the next day to do it again. They also check the temperature of the sample.

[Aerows]

34. I don't smoke

but I had to give a hair sample for the same reason - mine was too diluted because I drank too much iced tea that day.

[Separation]

4. Depends

One is your body size and how much fat cells you have since that is where it's stored. 2-3 week you would need at a minimum a month. 2-3 puffs a week, up to a month. 2-3 puffs a month, couple of weeks. There are a few ways to flush your system, your results may vary. Best bet is to find a head shop that sells clean urine, unless you are going to a pain management where you need to have certain drugs in your system and not others.

[yeoman6987]

73. Best bet is to find a head shop that sells clean urine

Horrible advice. What if they have observers?

[Separation]

87. Actually best bet isn't to smoke :)

I haven't smoked in 20 years, due to being in the military and random drug testing. But I saw an advert in a magazine recently that they have ways to strap it to ya and make it look like your actually peeing.

Our observers were hit and miss with how hard they watch ya. Sometimes they were just in the bathroom, other times they were right on top of ya.

[NightWatcher]

5. Everyone is different. MJ markers are fat soluable and stay in your system longer

If you carry a little more body fat and smoke often, it will show on tests a longer than if you are a skinny Minnie and rarely hit it.

I don't trust the things that are supposed to keep your pee clean. If I had a job (and needed the money) that req'd drug tests, I'd simply hold off on using. I however am never going to work again for anyone who will test me. I take oral chemo pills weekly. I partake.


I have no idea how long it stays in your system if you eat edibles

[magical thyme]

6. it probably depends on the specific method

At my lab, THC detection period is up to a week for a single use; up to a month for chronic use.

The scenario you're describing would fit chronic use.

As written above, dilution by drinking lots of water helps. First urine of the day is most concentrated. Catch midstream, not the beginning or the end.

Color doesn't matter. Specific gravity and pH do. Water has specific gravity of 1.000 with pH of 7.0.

[MohRokTah]

7. 7-100 days.

There are too many factors to break it down further than that as they test for a metabolite, not the drug itself.

[JaneyVee]

8. 30 days and your safe with pee. over 90 for hair.

But if you stop and aggressively drink water could be 3 weeks for pee. But no tokes in between.

[seabeyond]

10. ah man.... lol

love the info i am getting

[Comrade Grumpy]

11. California NORML Guide to Drug Testing

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html

(sorry, this has a couple of formatting issues)

Interpreting Drug Test Results

Updated August 2012


Contents:


Drug Test Detection Times: summary for different drugs and detection technologies.

Detection Time for Marijuana in Urine: Urine tests detect non-psychoactive marijuana metabolites for days to weeks after use, long after impairment has passed.

Detection Time for Marijuana in Blood : Blood tests can detect presence of active THC; high levels indicate recent use, low levels may persist for hours or days.

Marijuana Use and Accident Risks : Accident studies show no relation between urine test results and accident risk; presence of THC in blood a moderate risk factor, comparable to low levels of blood alcohol beneath threshold of DUI; high levels of THC or combination of THC with alcohol indicative of DUI.

Drug Test Detection Times for Marijuana

How long do drug tests detect marijuana? There is no simple answer to this question. Detection time depends strongly on the kind and sensitivity of the test employed; the frequency, dosage, and last time of use; the individual subject's genetic makeup, the state of one's metabolism, digestive and excretory systems; and other random, unknown factors.

The basic drug test types and their approximate detection times are shown in the table below.

Urine Blood Hair Saliva
Marijuana - Single Use 1-7+ days 12-24 hrs Doubtful
Not validated

(0 -24 hours?)

Marijuana - Regular Use 7-100 days 2-7 days Months
Amphetamines 1-3 days 24 hours
Cocaine 1-3 days 1-3 days
Heroin, Opiates 1-4 days 1-3 days
PCP 3-7 days 1-3 days

The most popular kind of drug test is the urine test, which can detect marijuana for days or weeks after use. Note that urine tests do not detect the psychoactive component in marijuana, THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), and therefore in no way measure impairment; rather, they detect the non-psychoactive marijuana metabolite THC-COOH, which can linger in the body for days and weeks with no impairing effects. Because of THC-COOH's unusually long elimination time, urine tests are more sensitive to marijuana than other commonly used drugs. According to a survey by Quest Diagnostics, 50% of all drug test positives are for marijuana.

Blood tests are a better detector of recent use, since they measure the active presence of THC in the system. Because they are invasive and difficult to administer, blood tests are used less frequently. They are typically used in investigations of accidents, injuries and DUIs, where they can give a useful indication of whether the subject was actually under the influence.

Hair tests are the most objectionable form of drug testing, since they do not measure current use, but rather non-psychoactive residues that remain in the hair for months afterwards. These residues are absorbed internally and do not appear in the hair until 7-10 days after first use. Afterwards, they cannot be washed out by shampoos (though shampoos may help remove external smoke particles that get stuck in the hair). Hair tests are more likely to detect regular than occasional marijuana use. One study found that 85% of daily users tested positive for marijuana, versus 52% of occasional smokers (1-5 times per week). Ingested cannabis was less likely to be detected than smoked marijuana [01]. It is doubtful whether hair tests are sensitive to one-time use of marijuana.

Saliva testing is a newer, less proven technology. The sensitivity of saliva tests is not well established in the case of marijuana. In theory, they are supposed to detect recent use, but this may range from several hours to over a day. They are supposed to detect secretions from inside the oral tissues that cannot be washed out with mouthwash. Because they are less intrusive than blood or urine tests, the industry has been eager to develop saliva tests. Due to reliability problems, they have yet to gain acceptance in the U.S., but they have come into use in some other countries, such as Australia. An international study of various onsite saliva tests concluded that no device was reliable enough to be recommended for roadside screening of drivers (Rosita Project, 2003-2006).

Urine Testing Detection Times for Marijuana

How long marijuana is detected in the urine depends strongly on frequency of use. In regular users (more than once a week), the marijuana metabolite THC-COOH builds up to a high level, often on the order of hundreds of nanograms per milliliter (ng/ml), from which it may take weeks to decline back below the threshold of detection. The situation is different for occasional users (no more than once a week), who often clear up in a couple of days.

Figure 1 illustrates typical urine testing profiles for "one-time" users - that is, subjects who were clean before going into the test. This would typically be the case for the occasional user who indulges a couple of times per month.




(Data on Subjects B, G, E from Huestis and Oral subject from Law).

Subjects B and G illustrate typical "one-time" responses in a group of study subjects. All subjects received a dose of one standard NIDA cigarette [02]. They were monitored for urine levels of marijuana metabolite (THC-COOH) at regular intervals after smoking. Both B and G were positive at the standard cutoff threshold of 50 ng/ml (the standard in most government-required testing programs) for up to two days after smoking.

Note that urine levels of metabolite fluctuate throughout the day. For example, Subject G fell beneath the 50 ng threshold around 24 hours after smoking, but rebounded above it a short time later. Thus it is possible to flunk a drug test despite having passed one a while earlier.

Subject "E" was an exceptional subject who never exceeded 50 ng/ml despite having smoked the same dose as other study subjects. This illustrates the high degree of individual variation in urine testing. While Subjects G and B would likely have flunked a drug test the day after smoking, Subject E wouldn't have.

Occasional use can sometimes be detected much longer, as shown in Fig. 1 by the oral dose from a different controlled study [03]. This represents a subject who was given a strong oral dose of 20 mg of THC, equivalent to a strong brownie or two high-dose Marinol pills. The subject tested above the 50 ng/ml cutoff for up to six days after dosing. California NORML has heard unconfirmed reports of occasional users testing positive for as long as two weeks in exceptional cases. In most cases, however, one-time users are likely to pass after a couple of days.

Time to first positive test

Drug metabolites take time to reach the urine. A user who is clean beforehand can test negative for over 1 - 4 hours before turning positive at 50 ng/ml, as shown in the following data from Huestis [02]. This is similar to the period of impairment after smoking. Therefore, in the case of one-time users, a positive urine test is a sign that the user is most likely NOT currently impaired by marijuana!

Figure 2 - Drug Testing Profiles in First Hours Following Single Use


(Early Urine Test Profiles from Huestis et al. [2])


Urine Testing in Regular Users

In regular users, metabolite levels can build up to background levels above 1,000 ng/ml. Many days or weeks of abstinence are required to clear out, as illustrated in the following graph of metabolite levels in test subjects who were regular users [04A].


Subject B took over a week to fall beneath the 50 ng/ml cutoff, while Subject C took a month. Detection times over three months have been reported in extreme cases.

Note that it is possible to test negative on one day, then positive on the next.

As shown in the following graph, detection times for chronic users typically range from one to three weeks but can extend much longer. In this study by Ellis [04], chronic users were tested at 20 ng/ml and 100 ng/ml, but not at the normal standard of 50 ng/ml.



Blood Tests

Unlike urine tests, blood tests detect the active presence of THC in the bloodstream. In the case of smoked marijuana, THC peaks rapidly in the first few minutes after inhaling, often to levels above 100 ng/ml in blood plasma. It then declines quickly to single-digit levels within an hour. High THC levels are therefore a good indication that the subject has smoked marijuana recently. THC can remain at low but detectable levels of 1-2 ng/ml for 8 hours or more without any measurable signs of impairment in one-time users. In chronic users, detectable amounts of blood THC can persist for days. In one study of chronic users, residual THC was detected for 24 to 48 hours or longer at levels of 0.5 - 3.2 ng/ml in whole blood (1.0 - 6.4 ng/ml in serum) [Skopp and Potsch].

Note: THC blood levels can be measured in two ways. Most labs used by U.S. law enforcement report levels based on concentration in whole blood, but others report concentration in blood serum or plasma instead. Concentrations in whole blood are about half as high as those in serum/plasma. Therefore 0.5 - 3.2 ng/ml in whole blood = 1.0 - 6.4 ng/ml in plasma or serum. Unless otherwise stated, whole blood concentrations are reported here.

In another study of 25 frequent users, 36% showed no measurable blood THC throughout 7 days of abstinence, while the rest had at least one positive, though not necessarily on the first day. Six subjects (24%) had detectable blood THC after seven days at levels ranging from 0.2 to 1.5 ng/ml (that is, 0.4 to 3.0 ng/ml in serum) [Karschner]. There have been anecdotal reports of even higher day-after blood THC levels in chronic users, but these haven't been confirmed in controlled studies.

Unlike urine, blood test results can give a useful indicator of whether one is under the influence of marijuana. Studies have shown that high THC blood levels are correlated with impaired driving. An expert panel review of scientific studies on driving under the influence of cannabis concluded that THC levels above 3.5 - 5 ng/ml in blood (or 7 - 10 ng/ml in serum) indicate likely impairment [Grotenhermen]. The same review found no increased driving hazard at low levels of THC. Despite the fact that accident studies have repeatedly failed to find evidence of increased driving risk at low levels (1 or 2 ng in blood) of THC, numerous states and foreign countries have enacted "zero-tolerance" laws, treating any non-zero trace of THC as legal evidence for driving under the influence. Others have fixed, per se limits above which DUI is presumed, often with no scientific basis. However, most states (including California) don't have per se limits, but define DUI in terms of whether the totality of evidence (including drug test results) shows that the driver was impaired by marijuana or drugs.

Although high blood THC is a fairly good indicator of being under the influence, it is not infallible. Chronic users who develop tolerance to THC may in some cases drive safely with very high blood levels of THC. In one study, a subject with severe attention deficit disorder could not pass a driving test while straight, but performed well with a blood level of 71 ng/ml [Strohbeck-Kühner]. No similar phenomenon is known for alcohol.

Oral ingestion

Oral ingestion produces a much different THC blood profile than smoking. Instead of peaking sharply, THC rises gradually over a couple of hours to a plateau of around 2.5 - 5 ng/ml in blood (5 - 10 ng/ml in serum), then declines (see blue curve in Figure 5).

Blood metabolites
In addition to THC, blood tests can detect cannabinoid metabolites. Not uncommonly, labs report levels of THC-COOH, the same non-psychoactive metabolite found in urine. As shown in Fig. 5, THC-COOH levels for blood are similar to urine. They may be detectable for a couple of days after a single use or weeks in chronic users, and are therefore not a valid indicator of being under the influence. There is no scientific basis for treating drivers who have THC-COOH but not THC in their blood as being legally "under the influence."

Another blood metabolite not shown in Figure 5 is 11-hydroxy-THC, a psychoactive byproduct produced when THC is processed by the liver after oral ingestion. While not detectable at appreciable levels in smoked marijuana, 11-hydroxy-THC shows a similar blood profile to THC after oral consumption. The presence of 11-hydroxy-THC may therefore be used as an indicator of recent oral use. However, most blood tests don't bother to check for 11-hydroxy-THC.

Figure 5 - Blood plasma levels of THC & Metabolite



References:

(A-B) Smoked dose based on data from M. Huestis , J. Henningfield and E. Cone,M. Huestis , J. Henningfield and E. Cone.
(C) Oral dose based on data from B. Law et al.

[GP6971]

66. Great post!!! n/t

[bigtree]

12. I'm a regular smoker, 30 or so years

I'm on a new job search . . . quit for 9 days now in anticipation of a drug test (first one ever).

I'm anticipating 30 days and trying to make it in about 22-25.

[seabeyond]

13. uh oh.... you are really pushing the line arentcha. you risk taker you, lol. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

14. Ugh! Such a stressful time you're going through!

I feel for you. Did that so many times. I got tired of it and maneuvered my way (got lucky) in to a home-based job with a sing client I've been with for 8 years but whom I've never seen or met in person, lol.

Hang in there, bigtree.

[littlewolf]

15. in the prison system we had to wait to test

inmates until they had been in prison for 30 days
before we could drug test em. otherwise it was considered
"carry over" from when they were outside.

[Scout]

16. *if* they still make them....

try abstaining for as long as you can, at least 48-72 hours, then try the Tommy Chong Quick Flush capsules.

try finding a High Times or Cannabis Culture magazine.

NEVER give the first morning urine, no matter what part of the stream you catch it from. For an early morning test, get up an hour or more earlier than normal so that you won't be giving them "morning urine" ... after you've peed first, drink water but not too much. You can take a B-vitamin about an hour before the test, to make sure the color is right.

keep us posted!

drug testing is STUPID waste of money!

[seabeyond]

17. one state above me it is legal. good stuff. i do not do anything too early. need half a pot of

coffee before i do anything. i use to go to work at 5. i got up at quarter to 4 to sit, watch news, drink coffee. takes ten to fifteeen to get ready, lol.

[GP6971]

69. Wouldn't you be charged with possession? n/t

[seabeyond]

74. if i brought pot from colorado to texas? i would be charged. i do not do that. lol.

i figure sittin at the border is a good spot for hwy patrol.

[GP6971]

102. You got that right

heard from a coworker today that Oregon and Idaho police have checkpoints set up. Pot is now legal in WA. How true his claim is, I have no idea. Wouldn't surprise me though

[seabeyond]

103. I went to Colorado Springs this spring. I expected to see cops around the little town outside

Of Colorado and on that freeway. No cops, both ways. I have taken that trip often over the years to get out of Texas. There never are many cops around. Didn't seem to changed. I was pleasantly surprised. I do not miss with that though. Repercussions too great.

[otohara]

18. Start Drinking Water Now and Test Yourself

with one of the many test kits available in ten days or so.

Good luck, it worked for me when I went to work for the radio station where practically everyone smoked pot.

[seabeyond]

19. oh. interesting. i did not know they sold them. you can get over the counter tests?

really? that is very cool. i like that info.

[otohara]

25. Yep - Walgreens

Rite Aide ...

[seabeyond]

29. ty. i like the idea of knowing ahead of time. nt

[customerserviceguy]

98. They've got pot pee tests

at Dollar Tree. Pregnancy tests, too.

Seems absurd that one's future can rest on something that costs a buck...

[seabeyond]

99. Lol. What a hoot. Since they are so cheap, I like the idea of doing some experiments

Myself. I wonder if they are as efficient. Anyway, thanks. I might play... Tomorrow.

[redqueen]

20. I've heard that if you snort coke, get blackout drunk, or shoot heroin, it's out of your system

pretty quick. But since the active agent in cannabis is stored in fat cells it stays for months.

The irony.

[seabeyond]

21. bah hahahah. i thought you were suggesting a binge for this weekend. too funny.

it is ironic, isnt it?

i was thinking, if i were up in colorado buying, drove into texas and got pulled over. it was found and they ask, who is you dealer

the answer would be

the state of colorado.

[redqueen]

24. Hahaha, that's great :)

I wish I'd cut off my subject line earlier now

[Wounded Bear]

23. Don't know about the other drugs...

but IIRC, there is a new test for alcohol that will detect 10 days or more after imbibing. If you only have one or two drinks, you're OK, but if you have a heavy night of drinking, it could be detectable for a week or more.

[NutmegYankee]

62. What good would that be?

It's perfectly legal to drink alcohol. As long as you aren't under the influence at work, you can't be fired for it.

[Wounded Bear]

63. I think it is for those convicted of DUI's...

In WA, it is illegal to drink during your sentence/suspension period, even if you're not driving.

[NutmegYankee]

64. Ah. I can see that.

[Cali_Democrat]

26. 1 month for weed. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

27. THC is fat soluble, as I understand it, so it can show up in a test for 3 weeks or so

at least, that's what I've heard.

I've also known people who have passed tests despite having smoked within that window.

It points up the absurdity of those sorts of tests, as others have noted, because things like cocaine or alcohol don't show up after 48-72 hours.

The good news is, at least in many places where people need skilled, smart and creative workers, they've ditched that sort of test. If, for instance, the tech industry started firing all their pot smokers, they'd have no workers left.

[seabeyond]

30. i hear FBI could not get hackers for this reason. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

36. For anyone who has been paying attention, it's kind of a no-brainer.

I mean, silicon valley was started by hippies. Hell, even Bill Gates dropped acid; it's no coincidence that the windows logo looks like windowpane.

[seabeyond]

38. having runa business and the one hiring, it blows my mind anyone would waste that

particular pool of potential employees.

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Yeah, they pretty much can't, at this point.

Certainly not in some corners of the country.

As far as who makes a good employee, honestly... the person who smoked a joint on saturday night versus the person who was at the bottom of a tequila bottle? The joint smoker is probably going to be in way better shape on monday anyway.

[bravenak]

28. Never give them your pee.

I never do. I give them my kids pee. Small two ounce bottle, rubberbands, foil (i know, it hurts). Insert the bottle. Go to the test location. Pop the seal with yr index finger and hold the specimen cup so the the urine can be seen going into the cup. Learned this from somebody who was paranoid that the government was taking their fluids.

Or just wait a month and drink that clean out tea from the head shop.

[seabeyond]

31. they do not have someone or cameras in bathroom, surely. lol. nt

[bravenak]

33. Depends on the type of test.

There are observed tests and unobserved tests. For observed, i would follow my advice. I have had friends who have been treated like criminals by OCS for having weed in their systems and had to fight to keep their kids. My method worked for them.
Unobserved tests are much easier. Handwarmers.

[seabeyond]

43. what if you get ti too hot. lol, kinda a gotcha. like a kid trying to get thermonitor way up there

not to go to school.

[bravenak]

48. The hand warmers are known in stoner circles to work splendidly.

Or you can try to keep it tucked in your armpit. I tell ladies to use natures pocket. Perfect temp.

[Politicalboi]

44. If tests are observed by someone other than a registered nurse

You can sue them. I did it. They have NO right to watch you pee. It's an invasion of privacy.

[bravenak]

45. I feel the same way.

I'm glad you did that. I feel like it's a scam most times. That's why i'll never give anyone but my doctor my pee.

[seabeyond]

50. i think it is a scam also. nt

[seabeyond]

49. i would truly think. but now a days, who the fuck knows. nt

[sweetloukillbot]

37. There can be temperature issues though

If it's not body temperature they flag it too.
A friend of mine has some sort of heated catheter thingy that he keeps on him in case of emergency tests. Keeps a supply of clean pee at body temperature for him.

[seabeyond]

40. too fuggin crazy. people are doing this... wow. nt

[sweetloukillbot]

42. He's pretty paranoid... n/t

[Politicalboi]

39. Buy some fake pee at smoke shops

About $20.00. If it's the cup test no problem, but if it's a physical you're screwed. It is insane for companies to control our lives 24/7 just to keep or get a piss poor job. Us pot smokers for medical purposes should be able to collect disability since they refuse to give us jobs if we test dirty. They make us either go without medicine for a month, or make us cheat on their tests.

[djean111]

55. FWIW - in the 90's, someone at work mentioned getting a drug test,

One of the younger guys said Golden Seal Root.
Also, someone told me that dipping a thumb in bleach for about five minutes, then letting it dry so no odor, then um, somehow introducing thumb to stream would neutralize THC,
That being said, never smoked anything in my life.

[seabeyond]

56. ha ha. listen to you. interesting. nt

[Jackpine Radical]

59. The infamous SWIM makes it to DU.

[seabeyond]

61. i am just not hip enough. clueless about "infamous SWIM". nt

[Jackpine Radical]

65. "Someone Who Isn't Me"--

People on certain boards where drug experiences are discussed sometimes use the "SWIM" acronym in a tongue-in-cheek pretense that they are not talking about things they themselves have done.

"SWIM got really wrecked on some skunk weed last night."

[seabeyond]

67. so gotcha.

i guess i am hip enough. i so get that. i have a friend that does that ALL the time. until they made it legal the state above her and she finally said, fuck it.

thanks. cute.

[djean111]

101. Bwah! As a matter of fact, I got my information from guys I used to work with.

And a family member. Plus I have a dear friend, like a daughter to me, who has to take Marinol or smoke pot or else be blind.
Never have been able to inhale anything whatsoever, but have eaten spaghetti sauce and cookies that had been "enhanced".
I used to be the only person clutching a glass of wine or a glass of Beam and soda at parties. Observed once that the conversation was different than it was at a party where, say, beer was the cheer of choice.
Imagined people standing around saying wow! This PBR is awesome! Who did you buy it from? and so forth.
On the other hand, beer parties could get ugly.
Anyway, not a SWIM, but only because I have never been able to allow myself to inhale anything. Tried, but no dice!

[magical thyme]

70. I don't know about the THC, but bleach will change the urine pH

If they do a dipstick U/A along with the tox screen, the pH is a potential indicator of tampering.

[immoderate]

57. There are masking agents you can buy at head shops.

I'm an avid smoker, and I was anxious, so I got two bottles of masking agent and two test kits. I did a "dry" run where I tested myself before and after. Worked as expected. Damn!

--imm

[seabeyond]

60. hey, that answer could go either way

i would expect masking agent to fail.

[immoderate]

68. I might have been too terse. It went like this:

A few days before the interview, I did a home drug test. That was partially to see if the drug test worked. It did. Positive.

Then I drank the masking agent plus recommended extra water, which I know dilutes the sample. But I wanted to recreate the test conditions.

An hour or so later I administered the second drug test. Negative. The pre-test was over.

On the day of the official drug test. I took the masking agent, pissed in the cup, got the job.

--imm

[seabeyond]

75. this is the info i wanted. some kinda test to

see if the shit worked. you did it right. good to know. thank you. excellent.

[malaise]

72. If you're a herb head

it will take six weeks to clean out your system.

[Warren DeMontague]

76. I'm confused about something.

Why not just smoke the joint, and eat the apple?

What's the point of smoking the joint through the apple?

[AngryAmish]

78. What you need, my friend, is The Original Wizzinator.

Good enough for Mike Tyson and Fred Smoot then it is good enough for you.









On edit: I owe you an apology. It was Ontarrio Smith, not Fred Smoot. I have trouble keeping Vikings differentiated. Fred Smoot rose to fame during the Lake Minatonka "Love Boat" incident.

[gwheezie]

81. they test for nicotine where I work

as well as the regular drugs
I haven't smoked a joint in 40 years but the day I retire I'm going to roll a fat joint, grab a beer and a bag of chips and sit on my deck

[seabeyond]

82. medical field? that is crazy. nt

[gwheezie]

88. yup

that includes electronic cigarettes and any form of nicotine, like patches and gum.

[seabeyond]

91. how long to come up clean on cig smoking?

i quit again. i have quit more this year than i have smoked when i started back up. so that is better anyway. made it to 48 days the last time. i am off again. i got it handled this time. they say three days before it is all out of the system. so i am wondering if the test comes up clean after three days? that would be if i applied at the hospital.

[Throd]

84. More importantly: Why would you smoke a joint through an apple?

A converted milk carton in a bucket of water makes perfect sense, but an apple?

[craigmatic]

85. no matter how much you smoke it takes a month to get out of your system.

[mike_c]

90. I've never taken a drug test and never will....

Absolutely no interest in any "job" that wants to regulate my private life. Of course, I used to routinely sign "drug free workplace" paperwork when I was getting state and federal research grants, but there was zero enforcement, and if there had been, I'd have declined the grants. Cough cough.

[sorefeet]

93. Used someone elses urine

ever since they started them. I wasn't going to quit smoking for no one. At first they were easy, until they got into the temperature strip. I always put it in a balloon and had a sharp object to puncture it with. Carried it in my underwear right up by my crotch. My buddy had a fake penis with a temperature controlled pouch. He had to test every month with an onlooker from a previous bust. So pretty fool proof. I never did get busted and I finally retired also.

[EX500rider]

94. I'll give you my results... (ymmv)

I took a job that required drug testing in '05...
Quit 3 weeks before (was a regular smoker prior/low body fat)...drank lots of liquids, took the VitB pills for color, didn't give the 1st pee of the day (it's higher) gave the middle of the stream (it's lower)...
and totally failed, they tested down to 10 parts per million i believe and I tested at 72!
Went home and signed up for a 8 week drug rehab course to get the job that required weekly testing and I didn't test clean till 9 weeks after I quit!

[seabeyond]

95. wowser. what a story. '05. hmmmm. nt

[Tetris_Iguana]

96. Ditto for what everyone else says

As for me, it sounds like way too much of a hassle to habitually smoke now.

I'd rather just wait a couple years when it's legal everywhere.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

97. I haven't been 'employed' since 1986

Since then I have had I'm own business. I'm stunned at what I'm reading. They test your pee to see if you smoke pot on your time off!!?? That's not their business. And the part about WATCHING you pee made me feel sick. What kinds of jobs are these?

Back in the late 70's I was a supervisor at this lab and one day I found my crew on the back dock passing a joint around. They were scared to death. They even tried to hold the door shut because once I sniffed it through the door I shouted "FBI", lol. I didn't care what they were doing on their break as long as the work was done well and it was. After I 'busted' them and they knew I was cool with it they became the most helpful, loyal and hard working crew ever.

[seabeyond]

100. Too funny. I expected a couple posts, get answer and drop. But, the op has received

A lot of good information and truly a pleasant conversation thru out my day. Thanks all for your help and knowledge

[Tuesday Afternoon]

104. Those urine cleaners that you can get at healthfood stores or headshops really work.

I know a guy that took the cleaners and smoked a joint On The Way to Pee Test and he passed. No problem.

[seabeyond]

105. Really? Totally awesome!! You guys are a wealth of info

Like I said above, I can do some experimenting since we can buy tests for a buck. I know someone who knows someone who owns a drug testing business. He told the person he would run a free test on me without writing my name down, lol. This is all so interesting.

Thanks tuesday

[Tuesday Afternoon]

106. also, I have heard that an aspirin taken with apple juice at least 20 minutes before the test will

skew the results.

The Golden Seal works too, Start three days before and take lots of it and drink plenty of water.

These are heavy pot smokers that have told me these work.

[seabeyond]

107. Apple juice and aspirin would be an easy one. Btw... Right clicker started working again

All is good, who knows.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

108. ... lol ... good deal about the right clicker. As for the aspirin and apple juice - that is an old

standby used by Truckers. you can take it on the way to the test site and no one is the wiser. Hell, you have a headache coming on and who wouldn't with the hassle you are being put through, right

I just can hear the truckers now complaining about losing time.

All the while popping a couple of aspirin with innocent Apple Juice.