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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 11:58 AM Jul 2014

Don't ask for a living wage or you'll be replaced by an iPad

This is an actual billboard in San Francisco:



So, this is obviously disgusting on the part of the restaurant industry and its flacks. But it's worth noting that restaurants are already beginning to replace servers with tablets.

There are a lot of progressives out there who are very hostile to the idea that mechanization of jobs has had a huge impact on the workforce and will increasingly do so in the future. It runs against the narrative that the entirety of the screwing over of the middle class was a pure product of Reaganomics and political decisions to benefit the rich, and the correlated narrative that we really can return to the economy of the mid-twentieth century if we only go back to the old tax rates and trade deals.

The fact remains that within one year a bunch of server jobs will be gone because restaurants will replace order-taking with tablets. Within a decade or two we won't need truck or cab drivers anymore. IBM can already diagnose cancer five times better than doctors. The flattening of the teaching profession will continue apace as the technology and techniques behind MOOCs continue to improve. 3D printing will render much of what manufacturing remains obsolete. Anything requiring mid-level management or analysis will be done better by computer within two decades at the max, and probably sooner.

Pushing for a higher minimum wage is important. But ultimately we're going to have to decouple human dignity from "having a job." There just won't be enough jobs to go around, and tweaking the tax rates of super-wealthy just won't cut it at a certain point.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2014/07/dont-ask-for-living-wage-or-youll-be.html

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Don't ask for a living wage or you'll be replaced by an iPad (Original Post) phantom power Jul 2014 OP
Who's cooking the food, stocking items, bagging, JaneyVee Jul 2014 #1
. Agschmid Jul 2014 #10
We need to be more like Tyler Durden now than ever. Initech Jul 2014 #12
Yes. We're getting to that point very soon. LuvNewcastle Jul 2014 #18
they would have already done it JI7 Jul 2014 #2
Yep.If the technology exists,no lower wage sufrommich Jul 2014 #4
I think the 2nd half of the OP's point is, the technology is coming phantom power Jul 2014 #13
vvvv This right here vvvv Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #3
If they continue to destroy our ability to work for a living then eventually they will stillwaiting Jul 2014 #5
I think they'll just let us eat each other alive. Tetris_Iguana Jul 2014 #6
Only if they can Sherman A1 Jul 2014 #7
If I, and millions of my peers, were laying starving on the ground Half-Century Man Jul 2014 #8
They wont do it Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #20
Time to replace CEOs with computer programs as well. conservaphobe Jul 2014 #9
I like when the clerks at home improvement stores tell me to use the self checkout NightWatcher Jul 2014 #11
They're already doing what they threaten to do, so what does it matter. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #14
I agree. The BEST part of going out SoCalDem Jul 2014 #15
Please come back when you can afford to make a purchase RandiFan1290 Jul 2014 #16
I guess the business that do that need to be boycotted out of business. Rex Jul 2014 #17
The threats never change Prophet 451 Jul 2014 #19
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. Who's cooking the food, stocking items, bagging,
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jul 2014

Taking out the trash, cleaning up spills, etc etc? Cashiers aren't delegated to just doing cashier, especially at fast food places. Let them bring on these kiosks 1-it would actually give them no reason to not raise wages 2-watch the customer complaints mount up.

Initech

(100,060 posts)
12. We need to be more like Tyler Durden now than ever.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Sun Jul 20, 2014, 06:03 PM - Edit history (1)

"Look the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we pump your gas, we connect your calls, we guard you while you sleep. Do not fuck with us."

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
13. I think the 2nd half of the OP's point is, the technology is coming
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:11 PM
Jul 2014

Which means that sooner or later (and it really may be sooner than later) arguments about issues like minimum wage, unionization, and other labor oriented policy are going to have to evolve into "decoupling human dignity from 'having a job'"

We aren't there yet, but I now suspect that I'll live to see it.


stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
5. If they continue to destroy our ability to work for a living then eventually they will
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 12:18 PM
Jul 2014

have to pay a guaranteed minimum income. Even the freakin' Tea Partiers (at least most of them) would come around to that eventually.

If they don't give us opportunities to lead a life with dignity then we will have to make them provide a guaranteed minimum income to all citizens. They would give us no other option.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
8. If I, and millions of my peers, were laying starving on the ground
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:02 PM
Jul 2014

with a jack booted foot planted on our necks; my choice of entree would not be the scrawny sickly bastard next to me. But, the foot heavy with juicy meat above me.



But, I'll admit I have issues.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
20. They wont do it
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 12:49 AM
Jul 2014

If you refuse to work for two cents an hour, screw you, there'll be millions desperate enough to take it. Give this SCOTUS a case and they'll judge teh minimum wage unconstitutional too.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. I like when the clerks at home improvement stores tell me to use the self checkout
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 01:09 PM
Jul 2014

"You know, that's your replacement right?"

Idiots are cutting their own throats. If I worked at a big box store, I'd be throwing my wooden shoes at those things every chance I got.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
14. They're already doing what they threaten to do, so what does it matter.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jul 2014

They've already replaced waitrons with iPads in some restaurants.

I think it sucks and won't go to restaurants where I am expected to digitally place my order. If I wanted to digitally place my order I'd do it from the comfort of my own home to have it delivered, at which time I would tip the delivery person. And they would still ahve to pay that delivery person the minimum wage.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
17. I guess the business that do that need to be boycotted out of business.
Sun Jul 20, 2014, 04:42 PM
Jul 2014

So that those ipads can be freed up for a local public school.

Prophet 451

(9,796 posts)
19. The threats never change
Mon Jul 21, 2014, 12:46 AM
Jul 2014

Every single time someone tries to improve the lot of workers, business screams that it will cost jobs. They said it when slavery was outlawed, they sit when the New Deal came into effect, they said it when the minimum wage was introduced and they said it every single time the minimum wage was raised. It's their go-to threat and it's always, always been a lie.

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