Missile Safety Rules for Ukrainian Rebels

[MineralMan]

1. Know what your target is before firing.
2. Don't shoot down civilian planes.
3. When you do shoot down civilian planes, don't obstruct the investigation.
4. Don't count on Russia to back you up for long.
5. Run!

That is all.

[samsingh]

1. don't be rebels

[MineralMan]

3. Too late for that, I'm thinking.

[William769]

2. Don't count on russia period.

[CJCRANE]

4. Advice for pilots: don't trust Ukrainian Air Traffic Control

as they might steer you into a conflict zone where you'll get shot down, handing them a huge propaganda coup.

[IronGate]

5. Except that's not what happened. nt.

[CJCRANE]

7. I posted a link to a WSJ article the other day

which said something similar. Ukrainian ATC diverted the plane into that area and requested it to lower its altitude.

[IronGate]

8. They diverted because of a nasty storm in thier path,

not because the ATC wanted a propaganda coup.

[CJCRANE]

9. Was the storm at 35,000 feet?

They asked them to come down to 33,000 feet according to the article.

[IronGate]

10. Yeah? So?

They were still at the accepted altitude, so what's the "conspiracy" here?

[CJCRANE]

11. The BUK missile's range is 32,000 feet. The article said

it was too close to comfort.

[IronGate]

13. Ummm, no, it's not,

the BUK's missile range is at 80,000 feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

Alternatively, the command component may be able to remotely detonate the missile, or the on-board contact fuse will cause the warhead to detonate. The most capable radar, assuming it has a line of sight (no terrain between the radar and the target), can track targets (depending on size) as low as 100 feet (30 m) and a far as 85 miles (137 km). The most capable missile can hit targets as far as 30 miles (48 km) and more than 80,000 feet (24,000 m) in altitude. Since the introduction of the Buk in the 1970s, the capabilities of its system components have evolved, which has led to different nomenclature and nicknames for the components' variants. The Buk has also been adapted for use on naval vessels.

[CJCRANE]

14. That makes it worse.

It indicates possible criminal negligence on the part of the Ukrainian government to allow an airliner to travel at any altitude through that airspace.

[Kaleva]

15. Aren't you kind of blaming the victim here?

Back in 1988, would it have been your opinion that it was criminally negligent of the Iranians to allow civilian airliners to fly over the Persian Gulf where the US Navy was and while the Iran-Iraq War was going on?

[CJCRANE]

17. I don't know the details of that case*. IATA has just issued a statement

that the Ukrainian government is responsible for the safety of aircraft in its airspace.

I'm not saying anything controversial or unusual.

*Having said that, I'm not aware that it was an active war zone at the time.

[IronGate]

20. Has just issued, not had issued. nt.

[IronGate]

19. Yeah, that's the right thing to do,

blame the Ukrainians instead of Pootie Poot's pro Russian terrorists, you know, the one's who actually shot the airliner down.

[CJCRANE]

21. Who stands to gain the most from this incident?

I think the rebels probably did it but that Ukrainian ATC negligently directed the plane into unsecured airspace either for economic reasons or for other reasons.

[IronGate]

22. Why don't you tell us. nt.

[CJCRANE]

23. I've edited and added some more.

[tammywammy]

12. They asked them to go down to 33,000 feet due to other air traffic. n/t

[MineralMan]

6. Non sequitur.

Thanks for the kick, though.

[backwoodsbob]

16. except...as has been posted over and over

they were diverted due to bad weather and were NOT in restricted air space

[CJCRANE]

18. Allegedly the Ukrainian gov't knew of a BUK launcher in the area

and the IATA has issued a statement advising that they are responsible for the safety of aircraft in their airspace.

[CJCRANE]

31. The FAA has just grounded all flights to Tel Aviv

due to the danger of rocket strikes.

This is a serious business, you don't just send airliners into a war zone.

[malaise]

24. That is certainly the view presented here

http://www.globalresearch.ca/malaysian-airlines-mh17-was-ordered-to-fly-over-the-east-ukraine-warzone/5392540

[The Magistrate]

26. Unfortunately, Ma'am, The Author Of That Piece Has The Credibility Of Alex Jones Or Glen Beck

He makes connections between things which do not exist, and draws conclusions that do not follow from cited facts. He is, you may not know, a dedicated '9/11 Truther'. His judgement, put bluntly, is not sound.

[malaise]

29. Sir you know I have healthy respect for you

but there is very little credibility left on this planet and I want all sides. We both know that eventually truth will out.

My first question in all matters is 'whose interest does this best serve'. Right now I don't know but I take no side as gospel because even the most respected news sources have lied us into several disasters.

[The Magistrate]

30. That Author, Ma'am, We Used To Remove on Sight Out Of The 9/11 Forum

I agree one should examine a variety of sources, but some can be ruled out at the start owing to known deficiencies of judgement. This man is one of those.

[CJCRANE]

32. See the breaking news about the FAA grounding flights

due to rocket fire in Israel.

The air authorities have a duty of care for those traveling through their airspace, this is an accepted legal responsibility, it's not a controversial thing

[geek tragedy]

25. Netanyahu: "Hamas wants telegenically dead Palestinians"

You learned that rhetorical technique from the master, I'll give you that.

[Johonny]

27. 6) wait for people to blame Obama

[longship]

28. Add one more...

If you ignore 1-5, expect a clusterfuck.

R&K

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

33. 1a 2a 3a 4a 5a

Drink some vodka