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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:22 PM Jul 2014

It looks like it's time again. Where do you stand politically?

Not what party, or what politician. This isn't a question about elections or campaigns. Where do you stand on the issues? I know where I stand, and it's not where the vast majority of elected Democrats do.

I don't like the various labels we use in the U.S., because I find them too imprecise and too open to manipulation and interpretation. My favorite structure for determining where I stand is the political compass. I like it for a few reasons. First of all, it's not U.S.-centric. It includes the rest of the world. Secondly, it's based, not on party or speeches, but on record.

I know many DUers don't like it, because their favorite Democrats tend to fall in the "wrong" quadrant for what the Democratic Party's traditional, at least in my lifetime, positions "ought" to be. It provides cognitive dissonance to partisans.

Fine.

I'm a leftist libertarian on the political compass, a bit further south and to the left of the Dalai Lama. I suspect that many here, like some elected Democrats, will have shifted on the chart since '08, just as they've shifted their positions on issues to fit their politician. I've remained the same.





http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2

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It looks like it's time again. Where do you stand politically? (Original Post) LWolf Jul 2014 OP
Right where I always end up MohRokTah Jul 2014 #1
When your choice is between "Authoritarian" and merrily Jul 2014 #3
It's not between those two things, obviously. LWolf Jul 2014 #20
Sorry, those are the two poles given. merrily Jul 2014 #29
.. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #31
Thanks. I would never choose those as the two poles. merrily Jul 2014 #34
Then why would you think it had anything to do with the (US) Libertarian Party? Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #48
I didn't. merrily Jul 2014 #52
They pretty clearly have nothing to do with one another. Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #55
It's 4-way. LWolf Jul 2014 #69
It's not an American site. LWolf Jul 2014 #9
Green quadrant for me, as usual. polichick Jul 2014 #2
I'm still where I always was on issues. Our party however seems to be sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #4
A Libertarian, I fear... Ron Obvious Jul 2014 #5
"European-style social democrat" is a helpful description I think. polichick Jul 2014 #6
"Libertarian" LWolf Jul 2014 #11
In the lower left of the lower left quadrant Spider Jerusalem Jul 2014 #7
-7.5 Economic; -6.75 Social LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #8
From the FAQ: LWolf Jul 2014 #13
Out of curiosity, I just 'did' it for Miliband and Cameron, on the basis of their known policies LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #21
Based on LWolf Jul 2014 #23
Before doing it myself for what I see as their views, I think you're likely right muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #58
Watch how they vote, not what they say and go from there. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #41
YES. nt LWolf Jul 2014 #44
I highly doubt that any of the individuals on that chart have taken this test. nt onehandle Jul 2014 #10
See response # 13. nt LWolf Jul 2014 #14
I always end up about in the middle of the green quadrant. MineralMan Jul 2014 #12
Again. # 13. nt LWolf Jul 2014 #15
I saw that. It's nonsense. MineralMan Jul 2014 #16
I disagree. LWolf Jul 2014 #18
OK. You disagree. MineralMan Jul 2014 #19
It might not be entirely accurate but I agree with you that it's probably pretty close. Dawgs Jul 2014 #32
I think direct verbal input from a politician is likely to merrily Jul 2014 #35
I do, too. nt LWolf Jul 2014 #39
How politicians vote is where they stand. Their words mean very little except for a sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #43
I disagree with you, actually. MineralMan Jul 2014 #45
I disagree, a politician's record of voting tells us where they stand. A few disappointing sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #49
OK. You disagree. MineralMan Jul 2014 #50
Yes, and I explained why. Your choice not to respond to the points made. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #56
Indeed. Yes, It is my choice. MineralMan Jul 2014 #57
Why not say what you want to say? We DUers can read between the lines sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #75
Left, libertarian-leaning - Nelson Mandela-like. closeupready Jul 2014 #17
Eh. More centrist than I thought... devils chaplain Jul 2014 #22
That's not "centrist" LWolf Jul 2014 #24
Closer to the center than I would've thought. n/t devils chaplain Jul 2014 #27
Before you all crown yourselves green... brooklynite Jul 2014 #25
+1 Jamaal510 Jul 2014 #61
Howdy, neighbor! KamaAina Jul 2014 #26
Fairly far left and just passed middle of the road Libertarianism Alittleliberal Jul 2014 #28
I think I moved further to the left in the green quadrant. Xyzse Jul 2014 #30
I don't need to know where I supposedly fit on a chart. merrily Jul 2014 #33
So... LWolf Jul 2014 #38
It's not one thing or even several things merrily Jul 2014 #46
I do those things, LWolf Jul 2014 #65
Left Libertarian aka Anarchist Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #36
-5.50 Economic; -5.85 Authoritarian. n/t Martin Eden Jul 2014 #37
I question any chart that puts Dalai Lama at the most liberal place, considering that until recently Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #40
That's not a liberal place. LWolf Jul 2014 #42
Want to split rhetorical hairs or address the point made? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #47
No, lol. LWolf Jul 2014 #66
Economic Left/Right: -7.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.72 TBF Jul 2014 #51
. rug Jul 2014 #53
Economic Left/Right: -7.25, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31 sakabatou Jul 2014 #54
Economic Left/Right: -7.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.51 (nt) bigwillq Jul 2014 #59
For me it's minivan2 Jul 2014 #60
Always left-libertarian. -7.45, -4.62 lumberjack_jeff Jul 2014 #62
I've moved more to the left these past couple of years. (Economic -7.12) (Social -6.82) DEMTough Jul 2014 #63
Mine... Agschmid Jul 2014 #64
I haven't changed much since the last time Blue_In_AK Jul 2014 #67
Can't get much more left/libertarian on the scale. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #68
I've crept a bit that way, as well. LWolf Jul 2014 #70
Economic Left/Right: -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69 Ruby the Liberal Jul 2014 #71
Pretty far to the left... smirkymonkey Jul 2014 #72
It would appear I have shifted radicaly to the left Dragonfli Jul 2014 #73
Welcome to the sector! Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2014 #74
I've shifted a bit in that direction as well. LWolf Jul 2014 #79
Isn't this test designed to make people think they are libertarian? abelenkpe Jul 2014 #76
With Dalai Lama, Nelson Mandela and Ghandi.n/t kickysnana Jul 2014 #77
Last time I took it (pretty recently) I was way down in the bottom left corner. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #78
Green as fuck over here. Orsino Jul 2014 #80
-8.75 / -9.23. Deep in the bottom left corner, as always. nt GliderGuider Jul 2014 #81

merrily

(45,251 posts)
3. When your choice is between "Authoritarian" and
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:39 PM
Jul 2014

"Libertarian," I'd say that is a real possibility.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
20. It's not between those two things, obviously.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jul 2014

And "libertarian" is not as defined by the American libertarian party. It's not about party.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
29. Sorry, those are the two poles given.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:21 PM
Jul 2014

On the chart, the flip side of Libertarian is Authoritarian. However you want it worded, the point stands.

And "libertarian" is not as defined by the American libertarian party.


Who said it was?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
31. ..
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:28 PM
Jul 2014
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/libertarian

"Libertarian" is the opposite of "authoritarian". Small-l "libertarian" generally refers to advocacy of liberty in a political sense and doesn't have anything to do with the capital-L "Libertarian Party", who adopted the name.

And, on edit, the site seems to be UK-based: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_compass#Politicalcompass.org

And the server is in fact in London, according to a whois search.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. I didn't.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jul 2014

You replied to my Post 29. In Post 29, I specified to Wolf that I was not defining Libertarian in terms of the (US) Libertarian Party. Conversely, I never mentioned the US Party.

I think both you and the OP took my first response a lot more literally and broadly than I meant it. (I am not saying it was an unfair reading of my post, just that I didn't make the best word choices in that post. I was too flippant.)

But, I do think that choosing Libertarian and Authoritarian as your two poles says something about your ideology. And "libertarian" is not totally disconnected from the ideology of the Libertarian Party. (While I don't define "libertarian" only in terms of the Libertarian Party, I don't think agree they have nothing to do with each other, either.)

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
55. They pretty clearly have nothing to do with one another.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:24 PM
Jul 2014

The word "libertarian" long predates the use of it by Ayn Rand cultists and has a perfectly legitimate meaning that's perfectly applicable as "the opposite of authoritarian".

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
69. It's 4-way.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:13 PM
Jul 2014

Libertarian vs Authoritarian, and Right vs Left, which seems to, in this case, correlate to individualism vs collectivism.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
9. It's not an American site.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jul 2014

Here's the sites' only mention I can find of the Libertarian Party:

The usual understanding of anarchism as a left wing ideology does not take into account the neo-liberal "anarchism" championed by the likes of Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and America's Libertarian Party, which couples social Darwinian right-wing economics with liberal positions on most social issues.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
4. I'm still where I always was on issues. Our party however seems to be
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jul 2014

shifting further and further to the right.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
5. A Libertarian, I fear...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

And yet I detest the Free Market true believers that make up the Libertarian party, so I will remain a Democrat for now.

I generally call myself a European-style social democrat if anyone asks.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
7. In the lower left of the lower left quadrant
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jul 2014

-7.12, -6.31...about the same as when I've taken this before.

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
8. -7.5 Economic; -6.75 Social
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jul 2014

Pretty much where I usually am.

I think this is originally British; not Libertarian party; but using 'Libertarian' in its older, civil-liberties sense. I would, however, take the scores of the politicians mentioned with a grain of salt, as they presumably have not taken the test.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
13. From the FAQ:
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jul 2014
How can you determine where politicians are honestly at without asking them?

How can you tell where they're honestly at by asking them? Especially around election time. We rely on reports, parliamentary voting records, manifestos … and actions that speak much louder than words. It takes us a great deal longer than simply having the politician take the test — but it's also a far more accurate assessment. In our early experience, politicians taking the test often responded in ways that conflicted with their actions but conformed to the prevailing mood of the electorate.

We are occasionally asked about publishing the individual responses of politicians. We frown on this. The propositions are too vague to be considered statements of policy, and the individual responses are not significant in themselves. When summed to give an economic and social score, however, they provide an accurate profile of a mental state.

LeftishBrit

(41,190 posts)
21. Out of curiosity, I just 'did' it for Miliband and Cameron, on the basis of their known policies
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:10 PM
Jul 2014

Since both flip-flop, it was not that easy to do, but I got:

Miliband: Economic -3.62; Social -2.36

Cameron: Economic 5.12; Social 0.51


Thus, Miliband is certainly considerably to my own right, but still left-of-centre. Cameron is economically right-wing, but socially middle-of-the-road. This corresponds to my general impression of both. I may have been slightly too charitable to Miliband on economic issues; but I don't think he's as RW as portrayed by the site.

Of course, I could be wrong; but so, I think, could the site-owners.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
23. Based on
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:15 PM
Jul 2014

what they say about their policies, or what they do?

I don't think the common left/right paradigm fits here.

All such constructs could be wrong. I use this one because I find it accurate for me, and for the public figures that I know. I'm not British, so I don't have any knowledge of cameron or miliband.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,146 posts)
58. Before doing it myself for what I see as their views, I think you're likely right
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jul 2014

I find it hard to believe there's that much distance between Francois Hollande and Ed Miliband.

So I just did it for Miliband, and I reckoned Economic -1.00; Social -3.79 . I may have put some of his social views as 'strong' a bit often (sometimes it's hard to know how strongly someone else feels), but I think we're both closer to seeing his opinions than the site is.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
12. I always end up about in the middle of the green quadrant.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:54 PM
Jul 2014

My problem with this whole thing is that none of the well-known people shown has actually answered the questions personally. Instead, someone unnamed has filled it out for them. Why is that a problem. Well, since I've seen the thing, I have tried several times to see whether I could position myself anywhere on the chart I wanted to. Sure enough, I could. If I answer the questions honestly, I end up in the green, but I can answer the questions in a way that will put me in any quadrant I wish. So can most intelligent people.

So, since nobody well-known whose name and position appears on this chart has actually answered the questions for themselves, their inclusion on this is meaningless and can be easily manipulated.

I reject the entire concept of placing people by answering questions for them. That makes the chart meaningless, and is why I don't bother with it any longer.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
16. I saw that. It's nonsense.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jul 2014

No direct input from a person means that that person's placement is inaccurate. How inaccurate? Depends, I guess, on who is answering for that person, along with the invalid test-taker's biases. The fact that they refuse to show the actual "answers" they supplied is further demonstration that the process is unreliable and not transparent.

Absolutely worthless, in other words, protestations and all.

ETA: What is transparent is how to manipulate the thing. I experimented with it the very first time I tried it, and found that I could place the results anywhere on the chart I wished to. It was as simple as can be. And I had nothing to do with creating the system. Imagine what someone with intimate knowledge of the scoring system could do. And so such a person has done with the political figures shown. Meaningless stuff, really. It can give someone who provides honest answers some idea of where they are in the political spectrum, but cannot be used to place others without exposing biases.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. I disagree.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:04 PM
Jul 2014

Direct input from a politician is not accurate. It's designed to reflect whatever the politician wants it to. Record counts a hell of a lot more than words.

Walking shows more than talking.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
32. It might not be entirely accurate but I agree with you that it's probably pretty close.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jul 2014

Mine----
Economic Left/Right: -8.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.67

merrily

(45,251 posts)
35. I think direct verbal input from a politician is likely to
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jul 2014

make it less accurate, not more accurate.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. How politicians vote is where they stand. Their words mean very little except for a
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jul 2014

rare few. It isn't difficult to place most of ours on that chart simply by watching their votes.

MineralMan

(146,189 posts)
45. I disagree with you, actually.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jul 2014

I think most people fail to actually judge most politicians accurately, even on individual issues. Too many variables exist between the real opinions of a politician and how they vote on a particular question.

But, you have a different opinion. That's cool.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. I disagree, a politician's record of voting tells us where they stand. A few disappointing
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jul 2014

votes from the perspective of their electorate, don't really count. But someone who consistently votes pro-corporate and war mongering FP such as continuing to fund wrong wars, like Iraq eg, and FOR Right Wing SC justices, those are generally far to the right, no matter what letter they place after the names.

We don't need charts to determine these things, so I agree regarding criticism of a chart, but it's really not hard to find out where a Politician stands on the most important issues. Actions speak louder than words.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
75. Why not say what you want to say? We DUers can read between the lines
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 11:06 PM
Jul 2014

no matter how carefully chosen. Did you know that?

I'm a Liberal, Liberals are notoriously thick skinned, or is it something else?

Lol!

devils chaplain

(602 posts)
22. Eh. More centrist than I thought...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jul 2014

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Probably because I didn't do very many "Strongly" answers. A lot of the questions had a little bit of an argument to be made from the other side.

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
25. Before you all crown yourselves green...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:16 PM
Jul 2014

The AUTHORITARIAN-LIBERTARIAN axis doesn't exclusively reflect levels political power-grabbing; it also reflect the desire for Government intervention in economics and social policy. If you believe in environmental regulation, bank and financial regulation, minimum wages, a social safety net, etc. You're inching further and further up the chart.

Xyzse

(8,217 posts)
30. I think I moved further to the left in the green quadrant.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:23 PM
Jul 2014

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. I don't need to know where I supposedly fit on a chart.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:37 PM
Jul 2014

I don't flip flop based on what a political hero is doing. Indeed, I don't think I have political heroes.

I know where I stand on issues. That's easy.

What to do about how you feel about the issues is a more complicated, and, to me, more relevant, question than where on a chart my "dot" is.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
38. So...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 02:57 PM
Jul 2014

what DO you do about your positions?

Edited to add: I ask, because I'm often at a loss when it comes to making a discernible shift.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
46. It's not one thing or even several things
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jul 2014

that are always perfectly consistent with each other. However, on this board, various terms of service circumscribe my responses. For example, some things that I do and would like to urge others to do, are not strictly legal. For example, civil disobedience is illegal. Noble, maybe, maybe not, but definitely illegal. And advocating illegal behavior violates the TOS. That's just one example.

In the realm of things that are legal are things that try to hit businesses in the pocketbook, like economic boycotts and joining picket lines.

Voting--almost a case by case determination. And usually do not make a ripple.

As I said, for me these things are a lot more complex than a chart. I don't have perfect answers by any means. And that is a reason that I wish we could discuss more things freely.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
65. I do those things,
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jul 2014

and that's frustrating. Because you are right, there is usually not a ripple.

I don't see the political position we claim as what we do, anyway. I just get really, really frustrated by the misuse and abuse of political labels all the time, but especially heading into a campaign season. I can see, for example, that we're going to be hearing about how HRC is a liberal all the way to the convention, just as in '08 we were bombarded with the "Obama is not dlc" talking point. Neither of those are "wrong." They're also not complete nor completely accurate.

I like having a definition that steps outside the narrow American crop. I also like the cognitive dissonance that makes it harder for anyone to act like the person they vote for truly represents them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
40. I question any chart that puts Dalai Lama at the most liberal place, considering that until recently
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:00 PM
Jul 2014

that esteemed gentleman was a right wing kook on LGBT issues, he said some terrible things and if he is any form of standard, all I can say is this is a Straight Person's Thang.
It's funny to me how those who present themselves as super doper lefty always make room for the homophobic crap. Not changed since the 80's...but Dalai Lama has changed, which is good, but his history is one of hate speech and judgmental intolerance.
Dalai Lama on same sex relations: “what we Buddhists call bad sexual conduct. Sexual organs were created for reproduction between the male element and the female element—and everything that deviates from that is not acceptable from a Buddhist point of view.”

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
42. That's not a liberal place.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:02 PM
Jul 2014

"Liberal" can be interpreted a lot of different ways, but it's not on this particular structure.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
47. Want to split rhetorical hairs or address the point made?
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:11 PM
Jul 2014

Clearly the facts make you uncomfortable, but it is you who is touting this chart. What would you prefer that quadrant to be called? 'Libertarian Left'? What's so libertarian about attacking gay people with religious dogma? You tell me. Using any verbiage you wish to use, I've got larger concerns than vocabulary choices. Do you?

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
66. No, lol.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:54 PM
Jul 2014

The facts do not make me uncomfortable at all.

And before you want me to talk about what's libertarian or not, define libertarian. Are you using the narrow American definition correlating to the Libertarian Party, the definition given here, or something else?

I've got many concerns. One of my large concerns involves propaganda. That uses words, and manipulates, spins, and twists those words. That's politics.

So yes, if we're going to start the primary wars already, before the midterms, by declaring politicians to be "liberal," or "progressive" or whatever vague, misused term suits, I'm going to talk about the labels.

And not because I want to vilify or praise the Dalai Lama.

TBF

(31,919 posts)
51. Economic Left/Right: -7.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.72
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:17 PM
Jul 2014

Way down in the bottom left corner as usual ...

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.72

minivan2

(214 posts)
60. For me it's
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 03:57 PM
Jul 2014

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.87

I'm shocked at how libertarian I am.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
62. Always left-libertarian. -7.45, -4.62
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 04:36 PM
Jul 2014

Which makes me wonder what you'd have to do to get in the blue quadrant. Eat babies? Since I've never seen Obama eat a baby, I question the methodology.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
64. Mine...
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:07 PM
Jul 2014

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03

Guess I belong here...!

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
67. I haven't changed much since the last time
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:56 PM
Jul 2014

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69



 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
68. Can't get much more left/libertarian on the scale.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jul 2014

Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.69

I have noticed it has crept left/libertarian over the many years I've taken it. Thanks a lot, DU.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
70. I've crept a bit that way, as well.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jul 2014

I think it's a corrective action. I might not have shifted if I weren't trying to halt the dangerous listing toward destruction threatening to capsize the nation.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,216 posts)
71. Economic Left/Right: -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 07:28 PM
Jul 2014

Wow - I am WAY farther left than I recall in taking that test in the past. 5 left and 1 down from the Dalai Lama.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
73. It would appear I have shifted radicaly to the left
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:04 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-8.88&soc=-7.59

About 7 years ago I was about in the middle of the green quadrant, I guess I'm becoming a bit "red"
 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
74. Welcome to the sector!
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 09:35 PM
Jul 2014

When I first took this test sooo many years ago, I was a bit left/under Ghandi. I admit I have become somewhat radicalized , and I am OK with that.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
79. I've shifted a bit in that direction as well.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:59 PM
Jul 2014

I think it's a natural reaction to the way the nation has moved; we move the other way to balance the ship.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
78. Last time I took it (pretty recently) I was way down in the bottom left corner.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 04:03 AM
Jul 2014

I think both my scores were well under -8.

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