ISIS orders female genital mutilation in Iraq

[sufrommich]

he al-Qaeda-Inspired Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has ordered all girls and women in and around Iraq's northern city of Mosul to undergo female genital mutilation, the United Nations said on Thursday.

The "fatwa" issued by the Sunni Muslim fighters would potentially affect 4 million women and girls, U.N. resident and humanitarian coordinator in Iraq Jacqueline Badcock told reporters in Geneva by videolink from Arbil.

"This is something very new for Iraq, particularly in this area, and is of grave concern and does need to be addressed," she said.

"This is not the will of Iraqi people, or the women of Iraq in these vulnerable areas covered by the terrorists," she added.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2014/07/24/-ISIS-order-female-genital-mutilation-in-Iraq.html

[PoliticAverse]

1. Terrible. n/t

[Squinch]

2. Oh, dear lord. Those poor people. You know this will lead to horrible atrocities.

[roguevalley]

61. what the fuck is wrong with men? between that judge and this i am sorry i logged in.

[Squinch]

74. Part of me wishes I never knew about these things. The other part of me thinks that it is

the ones who never know about these things that allow them to happen.

Can't win.

[CrispyQ]

3. Savages.

[CJCRANE]

4. The MSM and international community seems unconcerned about ISIS.

They've dropped out of the headline news.

[sufrommich]

6. 700 Syrians were killed on Thursday and Friday

, the world yawns.

[CJCRANE]

11. The MSM yawns.

They have their own agenda as to what they focus on and what they ignore.

[sufrommich]

13. Yep. nt

[morningfog]

53. They'e engaged in a brutal civil war.

It is tragic and the suffering is horrible. The world should be pushing for a resolution to the civil war.

[cpwm17]

14. Out of sight, out of mind

The US certainly bears much of the blame for destroying Iraq's secular government and supporting the same Sunni terrorists in overthrowing Syria's secular government. Politicians and the media don't want to take the blame for the disastrous foreign policy they support and implement.

[CanonRay]

20. Well, I understand that they are selling the oil they have

so why else should we care?

[TreasonousBastard]

5. OK, tell me again just how bad...

that Saddam guy was.

He screwed you over when you pissed him off, not for crackpot religious idiocy.

[sinkingfeeling]

18. Yeah, with 'our help' Iraq went from one of the most modern ME countries

to this.

[lululu]

45. don't forget Libya

free healthcare, rights for women, now people are afraid to step out their front doors. Thanks, "we came, we saw, he died" Hillary.

[LiberalEsto]

7. It's a pity women can't form their own armies and fight back

against things like this.

[lapislzi]

16. Re-read Lysistrata

We have ways. No sex for them.

[IrishAyes]

19. Do you imagine for one second that these women are ABLE to enforce a sex ban?

Not in such a hellhole, they're not. They're nothing more than chattel.

[sufrommich]

21. You can't possibly believe that women in these situations

have any control over their own bodies.

[freshwest]

63. They'd be beaten or killed if they didn't obey.

No one should imagine that this mass multilation will be voluntary in any way.

If you can't resist that, you can't refuse anything else in that part of the body, either.

The idea that women could mount a resistance by saying no to sex is dismissive of this horror.

That tactic is from a vastly different culture.

[Autumn]

23. Do you honestly think that those women have control over their bodies?

[lapislzi]

35. I was being facetious

Apologies if that did not come through adequately.

On a more sober note, I am hopeful that the men of Iraq are equally horrified by this edict. Or, enough of them are to make a difference and resist.

Iraq was a secular state under Saddam Hussein. I hope enough secularists remain to prevent this from taking effect on a large scale.

[arcane1]

55. Far too many Iraqi men were hooded, tortured, and "broken" by our military

The lucky ones were released but will never be the same again

[Katashi_itto]

84. Your out of your mind, if you think that will work in that area of the world

[roguevalley]

62. rat poison.

[LibertyLover]

8. If I knew nothing about the Islamic State fighters

but this, it would tell me all I needed to know about them. Slimy, verminous louts with IQs of snails and personalities to match.

[Amonester]

30. They read a book and they interpret the words in it, then...

claim it's (their) God's will...

Nothing new, isn't it?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

9. if this is allowed by the world....

Now the entire world knows, thanks to the interwebz.

Four million human beings.....Four. Million.....If it's allowed to proceed, it will be a Holocaust for Women.

:scream:

[sufrommich]

12. I feel the same,Blanche.

[Quantess]

64. It's already inflicted upon over 90% of women in some african countries.

Somalia, Nigeria, and others.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

65. true. I can only hope that the suddeness of this gets world attention....

As well as the magnitude.....getting attention, I mean.

Even the attention we give it here.....if any one of us can respond with a change in heart (and therefore, behavior), we can affect those around us....and that ripples out. The butterfly effect, you know.

I'm just thinking out loud....and it's 4:30am, and I'm awake.

[Quantess]

67. Looks like the article is questionable, maybe not true.

But that doesn't change the fact that FGM, recognized by several countries as a human rights abuse, affects millions of girls and women (mostly in Africa).

There needs to be more awareness of this horrible, crippling, atrocity.

[WillyT]

10. Further Proof Of How Afraid These Guys Are Of Women... And How Small They Think Their "God" Is...

Cowards and Criminals.

[Botany]

15. Mission Accomplished

[lululu]

47. don't forget everyone in the senate who voted for war.

Lifted from Wikipedia, the Senate vote:

* 58% of Democratic senators (29 of 50) voted for the resolution. Those voting for the resolution are:

Sens. Lincoln (D-AR), Feinstein (D-CA), Dodd (D-CT), Lieberman (D-CT), Biden (D-DE), Carper (D-DE), Nelson (D-FL), Cleland (D-GA), Miller (D-GA), Bayh (D-IN), Harkin (D-IA), Breaux (D-LA), Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Kerry (D-MA), Carnahan (D-MO), Baucus (D-MT), Nelson (D-NE), Reid (D-NV), Torricelli (D-NJ), Clinton (D-NY), Schumer (D-NY), Edwards (D-NC), Dorgan (D-ND), Hollings (D-SC), Daschle (D-SD), Johnson (D-SD), Cantwell (D-WA), Rockefeller (D-WV), and Kohl (D-WI).

* 42% of Democratic senators (21 of 50) voted against the resolution. Those voting against the resolution are:

Sens. Boxer (D-CA), Graham (D-FL), Akaka (D-HI), Inouye (D-HI), Durbin (D-IL), Mikulski (D-MD), Sarbanes (D-MD), Kennedy (D-MA), Stabenow (D-MI), Levin (D-MI), Dayton (D-MN), Wellstone (D-MN), Corzine (D-NJ), Bingaman (D-NM), Conrad (D-ND), Wyden (D-OR), Reed (D-RI), Leahy (D-VT), Murray (D-WA), Byrd (D-WV), and Feingold (D-WI).

* 1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).
* The only Independent senator voted against the resolution: Sen. Jeffords (I-VT)

[Botany]

59. But don't forget that those senators were shown lies as the truth about the threat ....

.... Iraq posed to America and the West. The White House Iraq Group (Cheney, Andy Card,
and Scooter Libby), along with the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans (Rummy & Wolfowitz),
and others cherry picked intel, produced phony documents (the Italian Letters), and out right
lied to those senators, the American People, and the world about WMDs, Chemical Weapons,
Nuclear Enrichment Programs, and lnks that were not there between Saddam, 9/11, and al Qaeda.


I am sick of the false story that the democrats went along too and they are just as guilty of
getting us into Iraq and what followed.

[storyonline]

66. Oh come the fuck on.

I was just a kid during the whole yellowcake uranium and WMD circus, but it was blatantly obvious we were being fed a pack of lies. The whole world was giving us the cold shoulder, with only that buffoon Tony Blair (now trying to disown his own blame in the fiasco) chipping in any real numbers.

There were plenty of Dems speaking out, but the ones who ignored voices of reason in their own party and VOTED FOR THE FUCKING THING have to own that guilt. I don't care if it's because they were too idiotic to see past Bush administration propaganda, or complicit out of fear or bribery. THEY OWN THEIR VOTE, and for you to come pathetically limping to their defense is obscene. And embarrassing -- for you.

[lululu]

70. I don't know anyone in my circle

who reading the news reports and thinking, didn't realize we were being fed a pack of lies. I expect at least that minimal level of intelligence from our politicians. Although I think more likely what happened is that the Democrats voting for war realized it was not right but were political cowards.

I'm pleased to see that my state voted No unanimously, even Jack Reed, who normally supports the military no matter what.

[storyonline]

81. Yep.

All one has to do is pull up DU threads from around the time. There is absolutely no way in hell I will ever buy the line that supposedly intelligent leaders were duped. We could see it.

As you said, primarily cowardice.

[TheKentuckian]

82. That level of naivete, ignorance, and stupidity is more dangerous than being complicit.

These are Senators and Congress people not glove models and phone sanitizers.

[cpwm17]

17. It started with this guy

The Cold War was ending and he needed to create a new enemy. Saddam was a convenient choice. At the time Iraq had a decent standard of living and none of this crap was possible. Now with a million dead Iraqis and with millions of refugees it is only getting worse.

[heaven05]

22. and who, by the way

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created the framework for this barbarity to happen? God!!!!!! It is OUR governments fault that this is happening. Where is the outrage for that? Four main war criminals, bush, cheney, bremer, rice with a little help from sec def rumsfeld. What a sad statement on the Iraqi democracy WE installed. I am outraged. All these women will suffer needlessly because of PNAC ideology and american greed for OIL. Why are we so quiet about the causes of this barbarity? Sad indeed. There is blood and needless suffering on american hands that can never be cleansed. Sick, depraved and sad.

[leftynyc]

24. Fucking barbarians

Another country where the only answer is to arm all the women or grant asylum to each and every one.

[democrank]

25. Awful

[TRoN33]

26. Someone in highest authority of Islam really need to issue the fatwa to ISIS thugs.

It would create the paradigm split of Muslims, those who desire the freedom for women and girls would rose and fight against ISIS.

[davidthegnome]

27. Why are they doing this?

I have heard of this kind of savagery many times... but the why of it always escapes me. Is it based on some kind of religious text that tells them to mutilate women? Four million women...

Our invasion of Iraq was foolish, unjustified, and gave rise to all sorts of extremism and extreme stupidity and cruelty. This though... this is unacceptable. I would gladly fight the men who are doing these things, I would happily pull down their temples, stone by stone. Perhaps it's time for me to go back to the army recruiter... surely the western world will not stand for this. I can't even imagine how I would feel, were they my sisters, my mother, my young nieces. What the hell is wrong with these lunatics?

At this point, I'm not much for giving a damn about what their moronic zealots and clerics believe in or what they think they should do. This needs to be stopped. All of this cruelty... all of this insanity, this barbarism, these despicable acts of torture... and for what? To prove some kind of religious point? To demonstrate superiority over women? I just don't understand. I cannot begin to comprehend why they are doing these things. Anyone who tried to do such a thing to one of my sisters would not survive the attempt.

Our sisters of the Muslim world need our support here. What can we do?

[TheKentuckian]

83. I suggest we stop funding and arming the same motherfuckers in Syria to start

You know "the moderates"? We've probably been a major reason they have had the numbers and resources to make some hay even if indirectly by taking stress off another arm in a different front.

In general though we have to really start to do nothing because we don't know what the hell we are doing and open up different boobie traps making bad worse.

I really feel we have a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of the cultures, the present value and impact to the people of history, the sects, the nation's as they see them rather than as we created, the whole thing.
There may even be some things we don't want to understand so we kind of fudge around making a mess.

[stevenleser]

28. This is why I said there is no good option there. War is the worst option, but not going to war is

also a bad option, just not as bad.

I would like to see an international coalition of countries from the Middle East and Africa put together to stop ISIS.

[The2ndWheel]

40. I'm guessing such a coalition wouldn't work

There are so many competing interests, both internally and externally, in those parts of the world, that I'm not sure if you could want a coalition from two more fractious areas of the world at the moment.

[stevenleser]

56. It would be a difficult lift, that's for sure. But I would like to see it tried.

Better than nothing I say.

[storyonline]

68. If this is really your "not as bad option"...

You really need to take Malala out of your sig line, because your bloodlust is a mockery of her message. Disgusting.

If we were truly devoted to peace, we'd open our borders and protect war refugees. But yes, that's too expensive, certainly more expensive $2 trillion (that's with a T) for another recent excursion into that part of the world.

[stevenleser]

75. If you think that, then you have no idea what you are talking about when you talk about war

War produces more dead and abused women and children, not less.

Do your homework before replying next time.

And oh yeah, welcome to DU.

[storyonline]

80. ...

Oh yes, please lecture me about collateral damage. And then go re-read anything she has ever written.

Thanks for the welcome, although you've probably guessed by now this isn't my first rodeo. I've waded through your screeds before. Now why don't you go whore your DLC talking points out to M$M like a good water boy.

[riderinthestorm]

29. Fucking despicable religious freaks. I HATE fundies.

For those who want to bleat that FGM is cultural, not religious, well fuck that. This is clearly fundie religious shitheads.

For too many people FGM is a religious mandate and until folks stop giving this practice even the thinnest veneer of cover by insisting "it's cultural", well this shit by ISIS blows that outta the water.

[catbyte]

31. Thanks for NOTHING, Bush, Cheney, & the rest of that rat's nest of war criminals.

At least under Saddam, women had rights & weren't forced into these barbaric "rituals." I remember those lying sacks of sh!t saying that overthrowing Hussein would EXPAND women's rights. I knew that was bullshit, but I didn't anticipate his particular horror. I was thinking women forced into wearing burkas & surrendering their driver's licenses. I guess my mind refused to go there.

I can't think of a more horrific thing to do. I just can't understand how women can do that to each other.

[riderinthestorm]

42. Agreed 100%. They said that about Afghanistan too - that war there would "free" the women

It turns out that was entirely wrong too.

"We", the US, do NOT understand these cultures and our meddling has produced a complete clusterfuck. Complete.

What a disaster.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

32. This is why I am a Feminist. eom

[zazen]

34. genocidal: this is like branding or even blinding half the population, but so much worse

It will result in deaths of women, girls, and babies, beyond the horrible suffering of the survivors.

[whatchamacallit]

36. Not so sure about the source: Al Arabiya

It may be true, but independent confirmation would be nice.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Arabiya

[sufrommich]

39. The source is the UN. nt

[handmade34]

43. ...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434

[DFW]

37. Good thing this case is not before the US Supreme Court

The Roberts 5 would side with ISIS.

[Oilwellian]

38. Will we arm them with the surgical instruments needed to carry this out?

Probably. Everyone who voted for the Iraq war should be tied to this atrocity.

[paulkienitz]

41. this could change that whole war

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I gather that up until now, ISIS had been proceeding largely unopposed because neither Sunni nor Shia Iraqis were willing to bleed and die to keep Sunni lands from being given a Sunni regime. But an atrocity of this magnitude (if true) could transform that attitude, and give ISIS some serious opposition for the first time.

{edit} As I rather suspected, the words "if true" turn out to be the most important ones above.

[redqueen]

44. Iraq was a secular country before our invasions.

Not just dubya's but all three administration's military and economic aggressions against this country were bullshit. So fucking sad.

[rhett o rick]

46. It's time for the fathers and brothers to step up and tell the crazy men

that this is not ok.

[WinkyDink]

72. Would that be when they aren't stoning their own wives, daughters, and sisters?

[dawnie51]

48. If the fundy wackos in this country...

get a little more power, anyone believe they wouldn't go for this here? Is it too large a stretch to think this is where they want to go, with the anti woman, anti choice, female subjugating policies that are sweeping America? People better wake the hell up, quickly.

[badtoworse]

54. Seriously? Unless I'm mistaken, this practice is limited to Muslim countries.

[WinkyDink]

73. Absurd.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

79. Yeah, thank God we stamped out the practice here in the US back in the 60's.

:rolls eyes:

[Dopers_Greed]

49. This is on the hands of everyone who supported the Iraq war

EOM

[Spitfire of ATJ]

50. Keep in mind that right-wing talk radio is telling America that we Liberals support ISIS....

Doesn't matter that there are pictures of McCain with these religious fanatics.

[badtoworse]

51. Atrocious.

[Android3.14]

52. Shut the border to anyone with an XY chromosome

Allow only women to pass through the border.

[sabbat hunter]

57. hoax

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/07/24/3463683/no-isis-isnt-ordering-female-genital-mutilation-in-iraq/

[KamaAina]

58. No, they didn't

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014854803

Looks like us feminists got punk'd.

[PoliticAverse]

60. BBC: Doubts grow over Isis 'FGM edict' in Iraq

Doubts are growing about the authenticity of an edict attributed to the Sunni Islamist group Isis controlling the Iraqi city of Mosul about female genital mutilation (FGM).

A top UN official quoted from a statement saying that Isis wanted all females aged between 11 and 46 in the northern city to undergo the procedure.

Jacqueline Badcock said the decree was of grave concern.

But media analysts say the decree seen on social media may be a fake.

Read the rest at: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28466434

[storyonline]

69. Well, it got the intended response

To see how bloodthirsty some people are to jump into another war.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

77. Hoax notwithstanding being appropriately outraged is not the same as being bloodthirsty.

[WinkyDink]

71. This is the worst sexual abuse I can imagine. It is for perverts' enjoyment.

[Romulox]

76. Before or after they threw the babies from the incubators??? nt

[Rex]

78. The legacy of Dick Cheney. You thought it was bad with Saddam in charge?

He was a horrible person, but at least he was a secularist that hated these religious wackos. ISIS is going to make Saddam look like the poster boy for the boy scouts.


Mission accomplished?