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That sort of civic courage should inspire other Americans to follow suit, he said.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-honored-his-oath-better-than-anyone-in-the-nsa/375031/
Daniel Ellsberg, the celebrated leaker of the Pentagon Papers, said in a conversation last weekend with National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden that every human sometimes bites their tongue when they witness something that they know to be wrongand blood often flows as a result. Due in part to lies during the Vietnam War, he said, millions of people were needlessly killed. At home, tobacco executives successfully hid the cancerous nature of their products. More recently, as GM customers died in their cars, the company kept mum about a defect.
The standard he'd like to see set instead? "Snowden was the one person in the fucking NSA who did what he absolutely should have done," he said. "How many people should've done what you did! We all took the same oath to protect and defend the Constitution. There are people who violate it all the time. There are people who are against it, like Cheney and some others. But when it comes to upholding that oath, no one in the U.S. military services, including the commander in chief, has fulfilled her oath to defend and support the Constitution like Chelsea Manning. And no one in the executive branch, or in any branch, has fulfilled the oath to uphold and protect the Constitution as well as you, so thank you."
Snowden and Manning should inspire other Americans to speak out upon seeing what they know to be wrong, Ellsberg argued, even when doing so entails personal sacrifice. The remarks came at the end of a monologue during Hope X, a hacker conference in New York City. The whole part on "civic courage" is worth a read.
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)"And I'll just end by saying, people ask, is he a patriot or a traitor? That drives me nuts, the very thought that people could regard you as a traitor. The ignorance of the media and the congresspeople and the other interviewers who raised that question offends me as an American, that they think that it can be traitorous to tell the truth to your fellow countrymen."
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)got us into a terrible war, held accountable?
Manning, Snowden, Drake, Binney, all told the truth, all were persecuted for doing so.
Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove et al, all lied egregiously and harmed this country maybe beyond repair.
And THEY are treated like elder statesmen.
Facts that even the most ardent defenders of the security state cannot deny. I just wish they would be honest and drop the pretext that we are any kind of democracy. It would be easier to accept the truth.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)It's obvious to any with the ability to reason that are paying attention that
[font size="3"]We no longer have the rule of law in this country [/font]
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)there is no longer any question about it. Empires have very different priorities from democracies. For one thing, they care very little about the people's needs, money for war eg, will be voted on quickly and almost unanimously, while any money to help those out of work eg, will take months or longer and often won't pass.
Once you know that fact, it isn't as frustrating when you see your government doing things that are hard to understand when you still think it is a democracy.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Thank you Daniel Ellsberg.
Thank you Edward Snowden.
Thank you Glenn Greenwald.
Thank you Julian Assange.
Thank you Wikileaks.
Thank you Chelsea Manning.
Thank you to all the BRAVE and PATRIOTIC whistleblowers.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Usually framing his arguments in favor of illegality in the form of name calling those that expose the illegal or unconstitutional acts.
valerief
(53,235 posts)and SCOTUS.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)valerief. That seems to be what all of them are concerned with.
Uncle Joe
(58,354 posts)Thanks for the thread, cal.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Snowden lived up to his obligation to the Constitution, not Booz Allen or NSA or Gen Electric or whatever else passes for authority.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Thank you, Edward Snowden.
More rocks being turned over every day to expose the depth of criminality of our own government. Sunshine is good.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)If this were 2006, bet the farm Snowden would be a DU hero. But that was when DU was true to its mission and full of like-minded members: truthseekers.
Now, these threads get nary a nibble while Snowden/GG hate threads have a life of their own, repeatedly.