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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:19 PM Jul 2014

Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden Kept His Oath Better Than Anyone in the NSA

That sort of civic courage should inspire other Americans to follow suit, he said.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/daniel-ellsberg-snowden-honored-his-oath-better-than-anyone-in-the-nsa/375031/

Daniel Ellsberg, the celebrated leaker of the Pentagon Papers, said in a conversation last weekend with National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden that every human sometimes bites their tongue when they witness something that they know to be wrong—and blood often flows as a result. Due in part to lies during the Vietnam War, he said, millions of people were needlessly killed. At home, tobacco executives successfully hid the cancerous nature of their products. More recently, as GM customers died in their cars, the company kept mum about a defect.

The standard he'd like to see set instead? "Snowden was the one person in the fucking NSA who did what he absolutely should have done," he said. "How many people should've done what you did! We all took the same oath to protect and defend the Constitution. There are people who violate it all the time. There are people who are against it, like Cheney and some others. But when it comes to upholding that oath, no one in the U.S. military services, including the commander in chief, has fulfilled her oath to defend and support the Constitution like Chelsea Manning. And no one in the executive branch, or in any branch, has fulfilled the oath to uphold and protect the Constitution as well as you, so thank you."

Snowden and Manning should inspire other Americans to speak out upon seeing what they know to be wrong, Ellsberg argued, even when doing so entails personal sacrifice. The remarks came at the end of a monologue during Hope X, a hacker conference in New York City. The whole part on "civic courage" is worth a read.

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Daniel Ellsberg: Snowden Kept His Oath Better Than Anyone in the NSA (Original Post) cal04 Jul 2014 OP
k&r Electric Monk Jul 2014 #1
Indeed! CanSocDem Jul 2014 #2
Telling the truth IS treasonous in this country. Have we seen any of the liars who sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #7
I agree Sabrina, it's time they pulled the curtain down, and admit to the lawless empire Dragonfli Jul 2014 #9
That was a good OP. Yes, it's far better to just tell the truth. We are an Empire sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #13
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #3
K&R SamKnause Jul 2014 #4
. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #5
meaning what? nt grasswire Jul 2014 #10
Often hard to tell what that one means, but he is very vocally against whistle blowers Dragonfli Jul 2014 #12
I thought the purpose of the NSA was to protect corporate interests. You know, like Congress valerief Jul 2014 #6
You pretty much nailed it Aerows Jul 2014 #8
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #11
k and r nashville_brook Jul 2014 #14
Absolutely. Octafish Jul 2014 #15
K&R. Thank you, Daniel Ellsberg. woo me with science Jul 2014 #16
thank you..big K AND R..nt xiamiam Jul 2014 #17
Yes! Big K&R! riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #18
Fuckin' A right, Bubba! TheKentuckian Jul 2014 #19
It's just remarkable... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jul 2014 #20
 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
2. Indeed!
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jul 2014

"And I'll just end by saying, people ask, is he a patriot or a traitor? That drives me nuts, the very thought that people could regard you as a traitor. The ignorance of the media and the congresspeople and the other interviewers who raised that question offends me as an American, that they think that it can be traitorous to tell the truth to your fellow countrymen."

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sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
7. Telling the truth IS treasonous in this country. Have we seen any of the liars who
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jul 2014

got us into a terrible war, held accountable?


Manning, Snowden, Drake, Binney, all told the truth, all were persecuted for doing so.

Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove et al, all lied egregiously and harmed this country maybe beyond repair.

And THEY are treated like elder statesmen.

Facts that even the most ardent defenders of the security state cannot deny. I just wish they would be honest and drop the pretext that we are any kind of democracy. It would be easier to accept the truth.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
9. I agree Sabrina, it's time they pulled the curtain down, and admit to the lawless empire
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 10:48 PM
Jul 2014

It's obvious to any with the ability to reason that are paying attention that
[font size="3"]We no longer have the rule of law in this country [/font]

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
13. That was a good OP. Yes, it's far better to just tell the truth. We are an Empire
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 12:07 AM
Jul 2014

there is no longer any question about it. Empires have very different priorities from democracies. For one thing, they care very little about the people's needs, money for war eg, will be voted on quickly and almost unanimously, while any money to help those out of work eg, will take months or longer and often won't pass.

Once you know that fact, it isn't as frustrating when you see your government doing things that are hard to understand when you still think it is a democracy.

SamKnause

(13,101 posts)
4. K&R
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 03:03 PM
Jul 2014

Thank you Daniel Ellsberg.

Thank you Edward Snowden.

Thank you Glenn Greenwald.

Thank you Julian Assange.

Thank you Wikileaks.

Thank you Chelsea Manning.

Thank you to all the BRAVE and PATRIOTIC whistleblowers.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
12. Often hard to tell what that one means, but he is very vocally against whistle blowers
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 11:55 PM
Jul 2014

Usually framing his arguments in favor of illegality in the form of name calling those that expose the illegal or unconstitutional acts.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
6. I thought the purpose of the NSA was to protect corporate interests. You know, like Congress
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jul 2014

and SCOTUS.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
15. Absolutely.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:37 AM
Jul 2014

Snowden lived up to his obligation to the Constitution, not Booz Allen or NSA or Gen Electric or whatever else passes for authority.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. K&R. Thank you, Daniel Ellsberg.
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jul 2014

Thank you, Edward Snowden.

More rocks being turned over every day to expose the depth of criminality of our own government. Sunshine is good.

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
20. It's just remarkable...
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 02:59 PM
Jul 2014

If this were 2006, bet the farm Snowden would be a DU hero. But that was when DU was true to its mission and full of like-minded members: truthseekers.

Now, these threads get nary a nibble while Snowden/GG hate threads have a life of their own, repeatedly.

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