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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:28 PM Jul 2014

What Israel is doing to Gaza right now has surpassed what Hitler did to the Jews...

...according to Turkey's Prime Minister:

Turkish PM to CNN: Israel Has ‘Surpassed What Hitler Did’ in Gaza
by Matt Wilstein | 2:31 pm, July 24th, 2014

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has been a vocal opponent of Israel’s military offensive into Gaza over the last several days, but in an interview with CNN International that aired on Thursday morning, he escalated his rhetoric, standing by an analogy he made between the modern Israeli government and the Nazis.

“I completely stand by my comments,” Erdoğan said through a translator, referring to parallels he drew between Israel and the Nazis last week. “You can see that what Israel does to Palestine, to Gaza right now, has surpassed what Hitler did to them.”

He made sure to clarify that he does not “approve” or “accept” what Hitler did to the Jews during World War II, but added, “Right now we do accept this persecution, this massacre, this genocide by Israel.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/turkish-pm-to-cnn-israel-has-surpassed-what-hitler-did-in-gaza/

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What Israel is doing to Gaza right now has surpassed what Hitler did to the Jews... (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 OP
I remember when Erdogan was cozying up to Israel, but then something happened. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #1
Has he admitted Turkey's genocide geek tragedy Jul 2014 #2
This times 1000 JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #11
Oh, bullshit (to Turkish PM, not Cali_Dem). Hyperbole helps nothing. eom uppityperson Jul 2014 #3
No worries Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #14
I suppose now Turbineguy Jul 2014 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Jul 2014 #5
I agree with this but never forget all American Presidents are hawks malaise Jul 2014 #20
Wait. You AGREE that the Israelis Codeine Jul 2014 #29
You agree? Not up 840high Jul 2014 #33
Can't fix stupid. nt. NCTraveler Jul 2014 #6
Nope MoonRiver Jul 2014 #12
I wouldn't go as far as he did, Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #7
"Yet"? Codeine Jul 2014 #30
It isn't the conversation that has devolved. Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #32
*facedesk* sakabatou Jul 2014 #8
I know it horrible!! All those train fulls of Palestinians headed to the death camps... EX500rider Jul 2014 #9
Wait! catnhatnh Jul 2014 #16
No I mean 6 million herded into gas showers & ovens is nothing like Gaza. EX500rider Jul 2014 #25
Were any Armenians reached for comment? Orrex Jul 2014 #10
He needs to STFU JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #13
As an American I agree... catnhatnh Jul 2014 #17
No shit - even longer JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #35
Huh. Starry Messenger Jul 2014 #15
That's pepper spray?! Codeine Jul 2014 #31
Did Edrogan offer comparison to Turkey's genocide of the Armenians? Bluenorthwest Jul 2014 #18
He is an Islamist who wants to take Turkey backwards. GoneOffShore Jul 2014 #19
assholes around the world are using this for their own agenda JI7 Jul 2014 #21
And THIS IS WHY the Holocaust must remain in the conversation. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #22
He's up for relection BainsBane Jul 2014 #23
Bingo. He's fishing for votes, nothing more. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #26
Right-wing fuckery abounds in the Israeli government... conservaphobe Jul 2014 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author lostincalifornia Jul 2014 #27
Erdogan needs a history lesson. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #28
A ridiculous statement Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #34

Turbineguy

(37,313 posts)
4. I suppose now
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jul 2014

we will have to compare it to The Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction event 65.5 million years ago.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

malaise

(268,887 posts)
20. I agree with this but never forget all American Presidents are hawks
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 06:45 PM
Jul 2014
Obama should hang his head in shame for calling this massacre in Gaza "self defense" while supplying Israel with the money and weapons to destroy innocents. I'm ashamed of my country but am proud of the Israeli reservists who refuse to fight there. They know it is wrong. I think we should worry about the hatching of another bin laden because of this mess.
 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
29. Wait. You AGREE that the Israelis
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 09:28 PM
Jul 2014

have surpassed the Nazis? Are you actually going to say that?

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
7. I wouldn't go as far as he did,
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jul 2014

but they have put the Palestinians into a Ghetto that they are not allowed out of, and now they are attacking that Ghetto. It isn't to the point of extermination camps...yet.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
30. "Yet"?
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jul 2014

Are you actually contending that's where things could go? Is that the level to which the conversation has devolved?

Curmudgeoness

(18,219 posts)
32. It isn't the conversation that has devolved.
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jul 2014

The Israeli actions are devolving, and if it doesn't stop, it could get much worse for the Palestinians....hence, my "yet".

EX500rider

(10,835 posts)
9. I know it horrible!! All those train fulls of Palestinians headed to the death camps...
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jul 2014

..then forced into showers of Zyklon-B and shoveled into crematoriums... ...

6 million dead so far I am sure!!

LOL. what a nonsense statement.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
13. He needs to STFU
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jul 2014

Because he's not helping. And until Turkey admits they actively engaged in genocide against the Armenian people - they are the last ones who ought to be making comparisons. They created the modern age of genocide.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
35. No shit - even longer
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 06:36 AM
Jul 2014

We still don't know how my father's great grandmother survived / dodged the trail of tears. But I would say it was several hundred years and involved Spain, France, Great Britain, etc etc.We learned it from them . . . Yet they never admit their guilt in the murders of millions of people.

However in the Modern Age of Genocide - Lemkin coined the term as a result of his horror at and study of Armenia. Also note that religious wingnut Rushdooney ended up here as his family had fled the horror inflicted by Turkey on his family. Imagine a world without Dobson, Ralph Reed, cray cray fundamentalists like the folks at Hobby Lobby. Thieir common point of entry on the American political map was Rushdooney.

Damn you Turkey! They basically pushed that wingnut theocrat right into the arms of America - National Day of Prayer and all.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
15. Huh.
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 02:54 PM
Jul 2014

While I think Israel is in the wrong in this conflict, Turkey has recent history to contend with too:

http://www.thewire.com/global/2014/02/journalist-blasted-pepper-spray-cannon-turkish-protest/358077/

"Turkish parliament passed a bill giving authorities greater control of the Internet in the country by blocking webpages and content it considers insulting, or that invade privacy. Before the bill, offensive content like child pornography and pages encouraging suicide were banned, but now websites considered defamatory are also subject to removal. The crackdown internet and press freedoms has been met with increasing volatile protest over the last several weeks and months.

Startling statistics from Google clearly show the Turkish government's tightening grip around Internet freedom; the search engine saw a 966 percent increase in requests from Turkey asking them to remove content from Google products, compared to a 70 percent increase from the United States.

Turkey recently was ranked 154th in the annual press freedom rankings by Reporters Without Borders, a woefully low position that doesn't show any sign of improving. Last year, Turkish police cracked down on Twitter users for shedding light on police brutality and making what the government referred to as "propaganda."




(That substance is pepper spray coming out of fire hoses.)

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
31. That's pepper spray?!
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 09:31 PM
Jul 2014

Yikes. That's more pepper spray in one photograph than I would have assumed existed in the entire country.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. Did Edrogan offer comparison to Turkey's genocide of the Armenians?
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 06:43 PM
Jul 2014

Funny how they always fail to mention that.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
26. Bingo. He's fishing for votes, nothing more.
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jul 2014

If he were as invested as he claims, Turkey would actually be trying to do something to help the Palestinians.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
28. Erdogan needs a history lesson.
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 08:30 PM
Jul 2014

There is no comparison either in scope or tactics.

This is not meant to endorse what the Israelis are doing, I condemn it and those who perpetrate it.

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