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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 10:27 PM Jul 2014

Bush Administration Lawsuit Hearing Scheduled for Sept. 11th



http://quietmike.org/2014/07/25/bush-administration-lawsuit-hearing/

(snip)

Comar’s evidence, shows the Bush/Cheney team started planning the invasion of Iraq as far back as 1997. The amended complaint also explains that the war was motivated by personal enrichment and the war was a “crime of aggression.”

(snip)

The first argument he made was something called judicial estoppel. It prevents a party from taking a position in a case which is contrary to a position they have taken in earlier legal proceedings. In this case, Comar used the Nuremburg Trials as an example.

The Nuremburg Trials, which the United States views as legitimate, held Nazi leaders accountable for their acts of aggression. Comar held that judicial estoppel dictates the Bush Administration and DOJ can’t argue that leaders aren’t accountable for acts of aggression because it runs contrary to the US’s position at Nuremburg.


The second point that was made referred to the Augusto Pinochet trial. In 1999, British Lawyers determined that Pinochet did not have immunity for certain acts he committed while in office such as torture and other violations of international law. These Brits held that Pinochet was not immune because Chile had signed the convention against torture.



This is kind of cosmic and there is more on the link.



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Bush Administration Lawsuit Hearing Scheduled for Sept. 11th (Original Post) Uncle Joe Jul 2014 OP
Yes! CaptainTruth Jul 2014 #1
Could this be part of the reason for the rush to sue Obama? Diversion? nt kelliekat44 Jul 2014 #2
I would say that's a strong probability, kelliekat. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #4
Smoke screen? Enthusiast Jul 2014 #22
You made a thoughtful connection! emsimon33 Jul 2014 #46
Welcome to D.U. CaptainTruth. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #3
K&R!!!!!!!!!!! burrowowl Jul 2014 #5
First I've heard of this! Thanks! elias49 Jul 2014 #6
It has kind of dropped off the radar a bit, but I believe the Republicans in power Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #7
They will do everything they can to divert attention off this! freshwest Jul 2014 #8
I hear you, freshwest, it sucks having the "free press" working against you. So Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #11
The White House and Democrats will work to stop this. Rod Beauvex Jul 2014 #9
There really is one big Party in many respects .... slipslidingaway Jul 2014 #13
Cannot help but think of the "A Clean Break" document .... slipslidingaway Jul 2014 #10
That's a good post, slipslidingaway. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #14
Thanks, I hate those responses which basically say "GO TEAM" ... slipslidingaway Jul 2014 #18
Thanks for your post. eom littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #12
Thanks for the thanks, littlemissmartypants. n/t Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #16
kick. nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #15
I was pretty surprised when this thread was locked from "Latest Breaking news" mountain grammy Jul 2014 #17
Indeed: Ray of hope, good for the soul RobertEarl Jul 2014 #19
I didn't know it was on "Latest Breaking News" mountain grammy. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #20
Yeah, last Friday, with Quiet Mike as the source. mountain grammy Jul 2014 #24
Thanks for the thanks, Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #26
Operation NORTHWOODS blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #21
It's amazing how fear and hatred can drive people to become that which they hate the most Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #25
Yeah! Conspiracies is for weirdos! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #31
Sometimes I've heard it said, but nothing has come out yet, but this took 40 years and Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #34
These guys don't embarrass easy. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #35
If you're speaking of the Cheney/Bush cabal, I believe that's a sign of them being sociopaths. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #37
This sounds too good to be true, although it is also way overdue Electric Monk Jul 2014 #23
I agree, Electric Monk, it is overdue. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #27
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #28
Thanks for the kick and rec, Enthusiast. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #30
And peace Enthusiast Jul 2014 #32
K&R ReRe Jul 2014 #29
I kind of knew about it on the periphery of my memory but had largely forgotten it Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #33
You must be an old fart like me. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #36
At this point, I'm just middle aged flatulence with a young heart, but here's a nice video about Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #38
Thanks. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #39
This needs a kick n/t hootinholler Jul 2014 #40
Kick for an article that should be on the front page of The New York Times. Octafish Jul 2014 #41
since 1997? Trillo Jul 2014 #42
That would be most incriminating, Trillo, as that kind of evidence Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #44
Please please please please please please please please please please please please malaise Jul 2014 #43
From you lips to Lady Justice's ears, malaise. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #45

CaptainTruth

(6,588 posts)
1. Yes!
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:11 PM
Jul 2014

Finally! This deserves more coverage. Dig out all those old PNAC documents, the letters to Netanyahu & president Clinton trying to convince them to invade Iraq, the video clips of GW Bush saying Saddam must be overthrown because "he tried to kill my dad."

War criminals ... bring them to justice!

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
7. It has kind of dropped off the radar a bit, but I believe the Republicans in power
Sat Jul 26, 2014, 11:34 PM
Jul 2014

haven't forgotten.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. They will do everything they can to divert attention off this!
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:11 AM
Jul 2014

This can only work internally as a matter of American law. Just wish the media wasn't owned by them. Keep pushing it, people.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
11. I hear you, freshwest, it sucks having the "free press" working against you. So
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jul 2014

we will have to keep it front and center here on the Internet.

Rod Beauvex

(564 posts)
9. The White House and Democrats will work to stop this.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:22 AM
Jul 2014

There is too much ugly shit that will come out into the light, and it would bring everyone, D, R, and I alike. I predict, however much I wish otherwise, that this will go nowhere, or at most, it will be a closed doors thing.

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
13. There really is one big Party in many respects ....
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jul 2014

and except for a few bones that are tossed out to continue the façade of fighting for the common person, it is all a matter of positioning oneself for the future. A perfect example was Obama's campaign ad against Billy Tauzin and then him inviting him to the WH and striking a deal with him ... against everything he said on the campaign trail.

Words vs. actions!





slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
10. Cannot help but think of the "A Clean Break" document ....
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:27 AM
Jul 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm

"A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (commonly known as the "Clean Break" report) is a policy document that was prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Perle for Benjamin Netanyahu, the then Prime Minister of Israel.[1] The report explained a new approach to solving Israel's security problems in the Middle East with an emphasis on "Western values". It has since been criticized for advocating an aggressive new policy including the removal of Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq, and the containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare and highlighting their possession of "weapons of mass destruction".

According to the report's preamble,[1] it was written by the Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000, which was a part of the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies.

Former United States Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle was the "Study Group Leader", but the final report included ideas from Douglas Feith, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser.[2] ..."


Now I'm really going to get in trouble, Ron Paul mentioned this in a speech entitled "Neoconned"

The speech was previously posted on DU ... but then you have the posters who are closed minded and immediately dismiss anything that is said unless the person is "on their team."

Now we'll have the same chorus of fuck Ron Paul and Fuck Nader and they cannot even say yes I agree with this sentence or I disagree with that message, it is almost as if they have been programmed to agree or disagree based on the messenger.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1381191
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/slipslidingaway/20


"...Let there be no doubt, those in the neocon camp had been anxious to go to war against Iraq for a decade. They justified the use of force to accomplish their goals, even if it required preemptive war. If anyone doubts this assertion, they need only to read of their strategy in “A Clean Break: a New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” Although they felt morally justified in changing the government in Iraq, they knew that public support was important, and justification had to be given to pursue the war. Of course, a threat to us had to exist before the people and the Congress would go along with war. The majority of Americans became convinced of this threat, which, in actuality, never really existed. Now we have the ongoing debate over the location of weapons of mass destruction. Where was the danger? Was all this killing and spending necessary? How long will this nation building and dying go on? When will we become more concerned about the needs of our own citizens than the problems we sought in Iraq and Afghanistan?


...Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too many—both in and out of government—close their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society."




Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
14. That's a good post, slipslidingaway.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 12:42 AM
Jul 2014

I agree, too many people are out of hand turn their eyes, ears and mind away from the truth because they oppose the messenger on other issues or policies.


slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
18. Thanks, I hate those responses which basically say "GO TEAM" ...
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jul 2014

without any thought to the message which is trying to be conveyed ... got my team picked out and that is all I need to know!



Can we not just agree/disagree on certain issues and move forward? I'm a horrible my team vs. your team player and try not to agree or disagree upon what "my party" thinks I should be doing,





mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
17. I was pretty surprised when this thread was locked from "Latest Breaking news"
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:07 AM
Jul 2014

Thanks for re-posting in GD. This little ray of hope is good for the soul. Also, thanks for introducing me to Quiet Mike.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
24. Yeah, last Friday, with Quiet Mike as the source.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:46 AM
Jul 2014

I can't link it because it was locked. For some reason I thought you posted it earlier and moved it to GD, but it wasn't your post. Anyway, thanks for posting.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
21. Operation NORTHWOODS
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:28 AM
Jul 2014
U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba


"In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans included the assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as a way to trick the American public and international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, Fidel Castro."


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1




Now, imagine if Cuba had OIL, and George W. Bush were President.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
25. It's amazing how fear and hatred can drive people to become that which they hate the most
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 01:47 AM
Jul 2014

people literally get consumed by that shit.

Lemnitzer definitely went over the edge, they even proposed using the potential death of John Glenn as an excuse to wage war against Cuba!




U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001

"That's what we're supposed to be freeing them from," Bamford says. "The only way we would have succeeded is by doing exactly what the Russians were doing all over the world, by imposing a government by tyranny, basically what we were accusing Castro himself of doing."

(snip)

The Joint Chiefs at the time were headed by Eisenhower appointee Army Gen. Lyman L. Lemnitzer, who, with the signed plans in hand made a pitch to McNamara on March 13, 1962, recommending Operation Northwoods be run by the military.

Whether the Joint Chiefs' plans were rejected by McNamara in the meeting is not clear. But three days later, President Kennedy told Lemnitzer directly there was virtually no possibility of ever using overt force to take Cuba, Bamford reports. Within months, Lemnitzer would be denied another term as chairman and transferred to another job.

The secret plans came at a time when there was distrust in the military leadership about their civilian leadership, with leaders in the Kennedy administration viewed as too liberal, insufficiently experienced and soft on communism. At the same time, however, there real were concerns in American society about their military overstepping its bounds.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=2



This came out 40 years after the fact and less than 5 months before 9/11 and people wonder why so people believe in conspiracy theories.

Thanks for that news article, blkmusclmachine.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
34. Sometimes I've heard it said, but nothing has come out yet, but this took 40 years and
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:12 AM
Jul 2014

only because it was an "embarrassment."

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
37. If you're speaking of the Cheney/Bush cabal, I believe that's a sign of them being sociopaths.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:35 AM
Jul 2014

Peace to you, Enthusiast

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
33. I kind of knew about it on the periphery of my memory but had largely forgotten it
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:10 AM
Jul 2014

until I saw the article.

Peace to you, ReRe.

Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
38. At this point, I'm just middle aged flatulence with a young heart, but here's a nice video about
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 02:42 AM
Jul 2014

growing younger.



Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
44. That would be most incriminating, Trillo, as that kind of evidence
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jul 2014

could prove premeditation.

Thanks for the thanks.

malaise

(268,933 posts)
43. Please please please please please please please please please please please please
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 05:44 PM
Jul 2014

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Lock up these war criminals!

Pretty please!!!!

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