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Gaza. (Original Post) rug Jul 2014 OP
That's just another one of those "tunnels" the Israelis are destroying. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #1
Precision raid n2doc Jul 2014 #2
"PinPoint" WillyT Jul 2014 #9
And they have no where to run. FourScore Jul 2014 #3
It's a good thing that Israel warned the civilians to flee...to....somewhere in that vast land. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2014 #4
Gazzara Dreamer Tatum Jul 2014 #5
Dick Hissyspit Jul 2014 #16
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #22
I hope we mind our Businaza (nt) bigwillq Jul 2014 #6
When did this happen? GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2014 #7
Is it true that oil and gas have been discovered and Cleita Jul 2014 #8
More at the site but this kinda sticks out. defacto7 Jul 2014 #11
This never made sense to me until now. Cleita Jul 2014 #21
Following the money Aerows Jul 2014 #33
It's more than the money now. Cleita Jul 2014 #36
Israel's geopolitical profiteering masquerading as "self preservation" Divernan Jul 2014 #13
Wow! All I can say is wow and thank you for the info. Cleita Jul 2014 #20
You should make a separate OP out of this. n/t Crunchy Frog Jul 2014 #26
Please rec it at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025309834 Divernan Jul 2014 #37
What bothers me is how some make clear they don't care that people are dying. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #10
Yes, that concerns me deeply as well Dragonfli Jul 2014 #14
It's ghoulish. The existance of Hamas let's them wash their hands of every crime. nt killbotfactory Jul 2014 #15
war crimes. KG Jul 2014 #12
But...but...but... Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #17
My bug will destroy your bug! L0oniX Jul 2014 #19
Yikes! Unknown Beatle Jul 2014 #24
Posting to FB. Where's the pictures of Israel? I'm sure they won't look like this! L0oniX Jul 2014 #18
Here you go... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #30
Knocking on the roof...knock knock alcibiades_mystery Jul 2014 #23
Netanyahu's government is committing mass murder because he was afraid Palestine would unite and Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #25
He is unifying the Palistinians people even more. morningfog Jul 2014 #31
Yes but Netanyahu is uniting them by war, he doesn't want them united by peace. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #35
That is our product at work, JEB Jul 2014 #27
The picture is worthless without details. Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #28
Here: morningfog Jul 2014 #29
Just so you're aware... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #32
you have taken sides MisterP Jul 2014 #39
Huh? Shemp Howard Jul 2014 #40
Are the second and third explosions ManiacJoe Jul 2014 #34
Netanyau is evil. peoli Jul 2014 #38
The thug who ordered that strike is scum. PM Martin Jul 2014 #41
. bigtree Jul 2014 #42

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. That's just another one of those "tunnels" the Israelis are destroying.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:48 PM
Jul 2014

If not, then it was a Hamas rocket that did it. The IDF says so, so it must be true.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
4. It's a good thing that Israel warned the civilians to flee...to....somewhere in that vast land.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jul 2014

Hospitals?

Mosques?

Parks?

Tunnels?

Never mind.

Response to Hissyspit (Reply #16)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. Is it true that oil and gas have been discovered and
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 09:41 PM
Jul 2014

Gaza is in the way of Israel tapping into it? I can't put up links right now but there are stories about it on the UK Guardian. If this is so, it makes sense why Netanyahu wants to obliterate the Palestinians and why our oil oligarchy wants to support that.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. More at the site but this kinda sticks out.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:01 PM
Jul 2014

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/jul/09/israel-war-gaza-palestine-natural-gas-energy-crisis

But in 2007, a year before Operation Cast Lead, Ya'alon's concerns focused on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast, valued at $4 billion.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
36. It's more than the money now.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:51 PM
Jul 2014

It's following the oil extraction industries. But the old PNAC crowd had it mapped out including Netanyahu if my memory is correct.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
13. Israel's geopolitical profiteering masquerading as "self preservation"
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:23 AM - Edit history (2)

This may be the first overt genocidal/structural systematic takeover of a corner of the globe, for profit, of the modern era. I fear that this is not just the future of Gaza but a possible new normal for any region that has resources that these metanational cartels want access to.

Fairly described as geopolitical profiteering manipulating world opinion. 'Five years ago, Israel invaded Gaza under “Operation Cast Lead”. In the wake of the invasion, Palestinian gas fields were de facto confiscated by Israel in derogation of international law.' I wonder if the EU views confiscation of Palestinian gas by Israel as a possibility to divest from Russian gas.The military occupation of Gaza is intent upon transferring the sovereignty of the gas fields to Israel in violation of international law.If this were to occur, the Gaza gas fields would be integrated into Israel’s offshore installations, which are contiguous to those of the Gaza Strip.

Here is an extremely precise article detailing the great lengths Israel has gone to in order to not only block Palestine from receiving any monetary reimbursement for the oil and gas, but to directly confiscate Palestinian gas fields in derogation of international law:

http://nsnbc.me/2014/07/10/war-natural-gas-israeli-invasion-gazas-offshore-gas-fields/
Published On: Thu, Jul 10th, 2014
Geo-Politics / Middle East | By nsnbc
War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas Fields


Michel Chossudovsky (CRG) : Five years ago, Israel invaded Gaza under “Operation Cast Lead”. The following article was first published by Global Research in January 2009 at the height of the Israeli bombing and invasion under Operation Cast Lead.

Gaza Strip_map_Palestine_CRG
In the wake of the invasion, Palestinian gas fields were de facto confiscated by Israel in derogation of international law

A year following “Operation Cast Lead”, Tel Aviv announced the discovery of the Leviathan natural gas field in the Eastern Mediterranean “off the coast of Israel.”
levant-gas-map1-felicity_Israel_Palestine_Gaza_CRG_gas fields

At the time the gas field was: “ … the most prominent field ever found in the sub-explored area of the Levantine Basin, which covers about 83,000 square kilometres of the eastern Mediterranean region.” (i)

What is now unfolding is the integration of these adjoining gas fields including those belonging to Palestine into the orbit of Israel. (see map to the left).

It should be noted that the entire Eastern Mediterranean coastline extending from Egypt’s Sinai to Syria constitutes an area encompassing large gas as well as oil reserves. Michel Chossudovsky, January 3, 2014.
War and Natural Gas: The Israeli Invasion and Gaza’s Offshore Gas Fields

Michel Chossudovsky (CRG) : The December 2008 military invasion of the Gaza Strip by Israeli Forces bears a direct relation to the control and ownership of strategic offshore gas reserves. This is a war of conquest. Discovered in 2000, there are extensive gas reserves off the Gaza coastline.

British Gas (BG Group) and its partner, the Athens based Consolidated Contractors International Company (CCC) owned by Lebanon’s Sabbagh and Koury families, were granted oil and gas exploration rights in a 25 year agreement signed in November 1999 with the Palestinian Authority.

The rights to the offshore gas field are respectively British Gas (60 percent); Consolidated Contractors (CCC) (30 percent); and the Investment Fund of the Palestinian Authority (10 percent). (Haaretz, October 21, 2007).

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. Wow! All I can say is wow and thank you for the info.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:36 PM
Jul 2014

I will be digesting it. Also it seems that the Ukraine situation is also oil and gas connected.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
37. Please rec it at http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025309834
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:00 AM
Jul 2014

Being it's midnight, hope it gets 5 recs to get it on the greatest page and have it survive overnight, and not sink like a stone!

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. Yes, that concerns me deeply as well
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:25 PM
Jul 2014

I can understand support for "defensive" actions if one were not very well informed, bit indifference to the loss of life is just sociopathic.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
17. But...but...but...
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:29 PM
Jul 2014

don't they have 'roof knocking' tiny explosions to warn residents to flee before the whole building is annihilated.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
25. Netanyahu's government is committing mass murder because he was afraid Palestine would unite and
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jul 2014

Last edited Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:43 PM - Edit history (1)

form a democracy over the West Bank and Gaza.



Thanks for the thread, rug.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
31. He is unifying the Palistinians people even more.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:39 PM
Jul 2014

His slaughter is leading to broader agreement and support.

Uncle Joe

(58,342 posts)
35. Yes but Netanyahu is uniting them by war, he doesn't want them united by peace.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jul 2014

If they were united by peace, his radical right wing, George W. Bush modeled government would be more endangered of losing power.

He and ilk believe they need enemies and if they don't exist at least not in enough numbers, Netanyahu will do his best to create more.

Taking more Palestinian land, making life so miserable for them as to be unbearable, degrading their society by any means possible and creating more enemies are their prime directives.

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
27. That is our product at work,
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jul 2014

doing what it was designed to do. We keep telling ourselves everything will be fine if we just sell some more arms to Israel along with a large dose of financial aid. Shameful and sickening.

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
28. The picture is worthless without details.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:25 PM
Jul 2014

I'm sure a picture (or a video) of the bombing of Peenemunde would look just as unsettling.

What was hit here? A rocket launch site? A retirement village?

As a disclaimer, I'm evidently one of the few people who have not taken sides (yet). IMHO, Hamas and Israel both have blood on their hands, and neither is an innocent.

But I'm not a fan of propaganda. Pictures and videos without varifiable details are propaganda.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
32. Just so you're aware...
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:41 PM
Jul 2014

A "rocket launch site" is literally like three guys with a tripod.

(Seen here drawing a horsie and a princess...)

A blast like that would have gotten them, the retirement village, and a few places in between. This pretty much obviates any claim of "pinpoint targeting" because, well, when you're throwing high explosives into a densely-populated urban area as a means of taking out one or two dudes...

Shemp Howard

(889 posts)
40. Huh?
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:34 AM
Jul 2014

Because I didn't pass one of your little checklist tests, I have somehow taken sides? Because I dared to ask a question about a picture, I have somehow taken sides?

Look, if you want to talk about how Israel has stolen Palestinian land on the West Bank, I'll back you 100%. If you want to talk about how wrong the "Greater Israel" proponents are, I'll back you 100%.

But if you think asking a question about a target is wrong, then I must both reject and ignore you.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
34. Are the second and third explosions
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 11:49 PM
Jul 2014

more bombs hitting the same place?

Or are they secondary explosions that indicate a weapon cache was hit by the first bomb?

The details matter.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
42. .
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:25 AM
Jul 2014


Agence France-Presse ?@AFP 3h
An Israeli military strike hits Gaza City sending debris and black smoke high into the sky




BBC News (World
) ?@BBCWorld 6h
#Gaza: More than 100 Palestinians said to have been killed in the last 24 hours http://bbc.in/1Aw55SU
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