NRA Member Who Lost Sister To Gun Violence Tearfully Asks Senate To Protect Women

[samsingh]

WASHINGTON -- Elvin Daniel, 56, is a card-carrying member of the National Rifle Association, an avid hunter and a self-described "constitutional conservative" from a small town in Illinois. He became an unlikely witness for the Democrats on Wednesday at the first-ever Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun violence against women.

Daniel choked back tears at the hearing as he recounted the story of his sister, Zina, who was shot and killed by her estranged ex-husband in 2012. After her ex slashed her tires and physically threatened her, Zina had obtained a restraining order against him, which should have prohibited him under federal law from buying a gun. But he was able to purchase a gun online, where private sellers are not required to conduct background checks.

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Daniel told The Huffington Post that he hoped his testimony would break through the partisan politics and garner support for legislation that prevents dangerous people from being able to have guns.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/30/domestic-violence-hearing_n_5633968.html


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This is so tragic.

Would Elvin have felt this way if someone close to him had not been killed by a gun?

[upaloopa]

1. You need gun owners to stop the obfuscation

and work with the majority of Americans who want to reduce gun violence. I am afraid the right to keep guns is the only thing they see as a valid motivational idea.

[samsingh]

2. that's what i would have thought would happen years ago.

[LanternWaste]

3. I wish that would happen also, but it too often seems their priorities are not ours.

I wish that would happen also, but it too often seems their priorities are not ours, regardless of the lip service offered otherwise...

[beevul]

5. "I am afraid the right to keep guns is the only thing they see as a valid motivational idea."

"I am afraid the right to keep guns is the only thing they see as a valid motivational idea."

Unfortunately, so many on your side, see attacking the right to keep and bear arms, as the ONLY way to reduce gun violence.

How else do you expect people to react to that methodology?

[upaloopa]

6. The single common denominator in gun violence

is the gun. You fail to see the logic in that.

[beevul]

7. A false factoid which signifies nothing.

Human beings are equally present in every instance of gun violence.

You never answered my question:

Unfortunately, so many on your side, see attacking the right to keep and bear arms, as the ONLY way to reduce gun violence.

How else do you expect people to react to that methodology?

[samsingh]

11. gun being the common denominator is fact not factoid

if you discount that then you see don't see reality

[samsingh]

20. A false factoid which signifies nothing??? makes no sense

[upaloopa]

23. What word comes before or describes the

violence? GUN get it?

[samsingh]

36. i understand what you're saying

I just don't understand why it was being called a false factoid

[upaloopa]

22. I don't play gunner debate games

I state my opinion. You don't get to direct what I say the first amendment is also important.
You can comment on what I say but you don't get to define me, my opinion or my statements got it!
I am not here for your purpose so don't tell me how to act!

[beevul]

26. And yet you reply.

"I state my opinion. You don't get to direct what I say the first amendment is also important."

First of all, the first amendment doesn't apply. This is a privately owned message board, not a public sidewalk. See civics 101, and maybe brush up on amendments 1 and 2 since you don't seem to understand either of them, while you do.

"You can comment on what I say but you don't get to define me, my opinion or my statements got it!"

Why not? You lot try to define pro-gun posters, their opinions, and their statements on a regular and quite consistent basis. What makes You so special that you feel you should be protected from having a serving of the same dish you lot are so ready to push on people like me?

Additionally, I get to point out how loosely connected to anything resembling reality, your opinion and the statements you make are. Very loosely connected, in this case.

You said "the single common denominator in gun violence is the gun."

I pointed out that human beings are equally present in every instance of gun violence.

That is concrete proof that guns are not "the common denominator" in gun violence.

If you don't or can't understand that, that's on you, not on me. You should look up the definition of the term "common denominator" and get back to me.


You never answered my question:

Unfortunately, so many on your side, see attacking the right to keep and bear arms, as the ONLY way to reduce gun violence.

How else do you expect people to react to that methodology?

[upaloopa]

28. Stop ok? Enough

[beevul]

34. "You don't get to direct what I say..."

"You don't get to direct what I say..."

"I am not here for your purpose so don't tell me how to act!"

Sauce for the goose.

[NutmegYankee]

10. What is it you propose?

If that proposal will make gun owners into non-owners, it is illogical for them to assist such an effort. If it's truly to reduce violence, they will work with you.

On edit. I had some weird internet glitch cause a double post.

[upaloopa]

24. I do not see any gun owner working with us

They are always blocking any attempt to reduce gun violence. In fact they brag about defeating legislation and saying gun control should not be a part of our legislative agenda because it will cause us to lose seats.

[NutmegYankee]

29. A decent chunk of the Democratic Senators who supported UBCs were gun owners.

It all hinges on what is proposed. There are those who hold extreme views that naturally turn off gun owners. If you pursue the issue as a culture war where the plan is to make gun owners miserable so that they want to not keep owning them, it's logical they won't agree to the proposal.

As for fear of losing seats, that again goes back to the painful experience many of us had in the 90s to 00s. A period that gave us shrub.

[Hoyt]

4. NRA will counter it. Heck, previous NRA President raised his son to shoot people in road rage

incident. Spent several years in jail. Daddy's gonna introduce their kids into gun culture.

[samsingh]

19. which is my point - there is no empathy from memberes of the nra unless they are touched

by the tragedy. Otherwise they're happy as pigs in shi*

[PeaceNikki]

8. This happened right in my backyard.

It was a terrible day.

[eridani]

12. I've heard that a majority of NRA members favor background checks.

The minority are probably sociopaths.

[samsingh]

18. the issue is also the nature of a background check. How long and thorough are they?

if a database is down, does the process allow for a delay?

[PowerToThePeople]

13. Ban all Guns!! n/t

[aikoaiko]

14. You're doing it wrong. If you're going for satire its "Ban all GuNzz!!1!"

[PowerToThePeople]

15. Then I am doing it correct.

No satire intended.

Ban all Guns!!

[Lurks Often]

31. So what are you doing every day to make that gun ban happen?

Will you be volunteering for the gun confiscation squads yourself?

Get back to me when you have the 2/3rds of Congress and 3/4 of the states for getting the 2nd Amendment changed or removed.

[beevul]

27. Remember, "nobody wants to take your guns". N/T

[99Forever]

16. An officer was killed yesterday as he stepped from his car...

... in Mendotta Heights, MN, during a traffic stop. The perpetrator didn't hit him with a car, or drown him in a swimming pool, or hit him with a blunt instrument or stab him with a knife.

But guns don't kill people.

[samsingh]

17. how did he get killed?

not clear from your post? (gun I take it)

[99Forever]

25. Bullet or bullets...

According to gun enthusiasts, guns played no role in it.

[samsingh]

35. that such ridiculous and tragic logic

[friendly_iconoclast]

37. I have a picture of one of those 'gun enthusiasts' you speak of

[99Forever]

38. Cool!

Can you get him to say...


"GUNS AREN'T THE PROBLEM! Swimming pools are... errr uhh I mean cars are.... uh uh ... I mean ball bats are! Yeah yeah, that's the ticket. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEDUMBS!"

[friendly_iconoclast]

39. Ahh, the smell of easy stereotyping and cheap bigotry in the afternoon

And ya know what? It smells just like visceral, unthinking hatred-
because that's what it is.

I realize that you lot are frustrated that the march towards Prohibition 3.0 isn't going quite
like you thought it would and so are acting out, but really now- it's just the same old smug self-righteousness served up yet again...

[99Forever]

40. Wow!

You got all of that from my post?

You truly are magical!


And very special.

[friendly_iconoclast]

41. Well, being on the the more effective side of an issue takes a lot of the sting out...

...of insults- so there's that.

I offer you the same advice I'd offer to any gun control advocate:

Some of your "friends" might not really be your friends...

[Paladin]

21. I wonder how many death threats Elvin Daniel has received for this testimony, so far?

Probably quite a few---and the pro-gun radicals are just getting started on him.

[Lurks Often]

30. Illinois state law mandates a background check for private sales

See Section 3, paragraphs A-5 & A-10

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B65%2F&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC%2BSAFETY&ActName=Firearm%2BOwners%2BIdentification%2BCard%2BAct%2E

So while the murder of Elvin Daniel's sister is certainly a tragedy, the murderer (and the seller, who was hopefully prosecuted) broke the law in IL requiring a state background AND waiting period on private sales.

[PeaceNikki]

32. Except that it happened in Wisconsin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Azana_Spa_shootings

[Lurks Often]

33. Ok, that detail was left out of the Huffington Post story.

and I will note that online sales that cross state lines DO require a FFL conduct the transfer. Anything within state lines is governed by applicable state law. The article was perhaps vague on that distinction.