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(47,434 posts)
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 05:56 PM Jul 2014

The Ugly Tide Washing Across Europe

Recently I posted my observations that, starting with the Vietnam War I remember protests in Europe only when westerns were fighting with non-westerns: during Vietnam, the war in Iraq and, of course, Israel. And while there are many DUers who would gladly have joined any of these protests, the reality is that we never see any rally when Arabs and Africans kill their own. And when the protests against Israel has ugly anti-semitic banners, I have concluded that these are good old European anti-semitic disguised as anti Israel.

Here is an op-ed by Bernard Henry Levy:


About the crowds on Friday in Paris chanting "Palestine will overcome" and "Israel, assassin": Where were they a few days earlier when news broke that over the previous weekend Syria's civil war had produced 720 more dead, adding to the 150,000 others who have not had the honor of demonstrations in France? Why did the protesters not pour into the streets when, a few days before that, the well-informed Syrian Network for Human Rights revealed that so far this year Damascus's army, which was supposed to have destroyed its supply of chemical weapons, carried out at least 17 gas attacks around Kafrzyta, Talmanas, Atshan and elsewhere?

Will these people, "outraged" for a day, claim that they did not know, that they saw no images of the others who died, and that today only images have the power to stir them to action? That is not going to work. Because they had seen what was happening in Syria. As reporters later discovered, those same grisly images, or older versions of them, were appropriated, doctored and retweeted by organizers of the anti-Israel demonstrations under the dishonest hashtag GazaUnderAttack.

(snip)

Moreover, if alarm about disproportion and asymmetry were the true wellspring of the protesters' rage, would they not have had at least a passing thought for another disproportion that, not so far from Gaza, now afflicts the most wretched of the wretched, the most defenseless of all, the Christians of Mosul? Hamas's "brothers" are offering these Iraqis the following ultimatum: Embrace Islam or die by the sword. The truth is that these protesters—most of them young members of the self-proclaimed "Gaza generation," for whom the latest in chic is to sport a kaffiyeh made in Palestine—assume it is normal for Arabs to kill other Arabs.

They are also unperturbed upon learning, from the very mouth of the Hamas leadership (Journal of Palestine Studies, Vol. 41, No. 4), that in 2012 alone the construction of the infamous Gaza tunnels cost the lives of 160 Palestinian children who were turned into little slaves and buried in the rubble.

The oldest of these protesters also missed the chance to mobilize in favor of the 300,000 Darfurians massacred by Sudan; the 200,000 Chechens whom Putin, in his own elegant phrase, "kicked into the crapper" not so long ago; and the Bosnians who were besieged and bombarded to general indifference for three years. The truth is that for these selectively conscientious objectors, indignation arrives only when one has the opportunity to condemn a military consisting mostly of Jews.

(snip)

For someone who has advocated, as I have, for nearly half a century the creation of a Palestinian state alongside a fully recognized Israel, this is truly discouraging. That there are sincere men and women among the demonstrators I do not doubt. But I would urge them to think twice before letting themselves be manipulated by those whose motive is not solidarity but hate, and whose true agenda is not peace in Palestine but death to Israel—and, as often as not, alas, death to Jews.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/bernard-henri-levy-the-ugly-tide-washing-across-europe-1406674021

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The Ugly Tide Washing Across Europe (Original Post) question everything Jul 2014 OP
It would be better to concentrate on the ugly tide rolling into Gaza from Israel. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #1
Yes indeed 4now Jul 2014 #4
Agree 100%! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #5
+1000 [n/t] stranger81 Jul 2014 #8
If the world speaks out against Israel killing civilians and children 4now Jul 2014 #2
No, if rallies cannot separate Israelis and Jews question everything Jul 2014 #10
What unmitigated bullshit Scootaloo Jul 2014 #3
not to mention the ugly tide washing across america spanone Jul 2014 #6
I have no problem with demonstrators aint_no_life_nowhere Jul 2014 #7
Cautionary writings can be a important aspect to understanding complex issues providing... Spazito Jul 2014 #9

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
1. It would be better to concentrate on the ugly tide rolling into Gaza from Israel.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:11 PM
Jul 2014

Raising the anti-Semitism card to change the subject is very transparent.

4now

(1,596 posts)
4. Yes indeed
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jul 2014

Calling everyone who disagrees with you anti semitic is getting so old.
We have heard that song too many times.

4now

(1,596 posts)
2. If the world speaks out against Israel killing civilians and children
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jul 2014

They must be anti-semitic.
By the way we do not give Syria $3 billion every year to murder children.

question everything

(47,434 posts)
10. No, if rallies cannot separate Israelis and Jews
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:48 PM
Jul 2014

If rallies against Israel call Jews to go back to the ovens, if rallies carries banners with swastikas that, yes, they are anti semitic.

How sad that people here are so anti Israel that they cannot tell the difference.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
3. What unmitigated bullshit
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:17 PM
Jul 2014

"You didn't protest this so you really don't care about that" is nonsense.

And of course the assumption made - as it is always made by Israel's apologists - that because they don't give a shit about dead Palestinians, nobody else could conceivably actually give a shit, and because they only care about Jews, then these other people must also only ever think about Jews.

All coming from a guy who thinks the veil is "an invitation to rape," and whose book about Daniel Pearl provided less nuanced caricatures of Afghans than "Team America: World police." And that the woman Dominique Stauss-Khan raped was a plant in some sort of huge conspiracy.

Bernard should stick to directing. "Day and Night" was better writing than this garbage.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
7. I have no problem with demonstrators
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jul 2014

and even those who yell "Palestine will overcome" and "Israel, assassin". If they're peaceful and merely speak their thoughts out loud, I'm fine with it. I won't condemn the right of someone to voice their thoughts, whether I agree or not. But when it's not just thoughts and words but open violence, like specifically when they go into Jewish neighborhoods to attack peaceful Jewish businesses and places of worship, setting cars on fire, breaking Jewish store fronts, attacking synagogues and trying to set them on fire with people inside instead of seeking out the seats of government representatives of Israel in European countries to stage their protest that I condemn them as strongly as possible. I have to control myself not to hate them and call them the vilest of scum. I hate that about myself, my own quickness to hate at times. Actually when I look at the videos on youtube about these violent demonstrations (there is a ton on youtube) they look like hapless, young north Africans, high schoolers or young twenty year olds who are probably out of work, feeling lost between two cultures, and with too much time on their hands and probably full of hate talk from their elders. They don't look very organized.

Spazito

(50,151 posts)
9. Cautionary writings can be a important aspect to understanding complex issues providing...
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:44 PM
Jul 2014

it is not written to deliberately conflate the minority who should be condemned for their actions with the majority who have a valid concern about the actions they are protesting.

An example is when masked anarchists have disrupted peaceful protests and were violently destructive there were those who tried to tie the peaceful protesters with the anarchists as if they were one and the same.

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